[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101129] Message [placeholder for message] at end of find bar

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101129

--- Comment #9 from Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB)  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #8)

To see the hidden message, hover over the empty space; or resize the toolbar
and click the arrow to show the hidden widgets.
That message is there, even before doing any search.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101179] Writer/Web: View > HTML Source mode toggles are awkward

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101179

--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---
I would also expect that HTML Source is an option when I load such a document.
But it is there only with Stefan's test sequence.

Is this really an UX thing? It smells like a bug, or an inconsistency at the
code.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101179] Writer/Web: View > HTML Source mode toggles are awkward

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V Stuart Foote  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Summary|Writer/Web: View > HTML |Writer/Web: View > HTML
   |Source behavior makes no|Source mode toggles are
   |sense   |awkward

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101179] Writer/Web: View > HTML Source behavior makes no sense

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101179

V Stuart Foote  changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
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--- Comment #1 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Confirmed on Windows 10 Pro 64-bit with
Version: 5.2.0.3 (x64)
Build ID: 7dbd85f5a18cfeaf6801c594fc43a5edadc2df0c
CPU Threads: 8; OS Version: Windows 6.19; UI Render: GL; 
Locale: en-US (en_US)

The mode toggles seem a little muddled. Unable to move back to Normal or Web
layout without first toggling out of HTML Source view.

So, it can be in HTML View--or not. And only if not, then either Normal (i.e.
print preview) or Web view.

Beleive intent is when toggled into the HTML view--the Normal and Web view
widgets were not visible--instead of just greyed out.

Not sure if that can be improved.

@UX-Advise?

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101129] Message [placeholder for message] at end of find bar

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101129

Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB)  changed:

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 CC||tima...@gmail.com
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   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81
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--- Comment #7 from Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB)  ---
Hm so it looks this was added intentionally: bug 81925
Not sure what to do about it.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101129] Message [placeholder for message] at end of find bar

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101129

--- Comment #6 from Julien Nabet  ---
(In reply to Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB) from comment #5)
> (In reply to Julien Nabet from comment #4)
> > Even, if there was no search made?
> > Indeed, i can see the "placeholder" message without having done any search.
> 
> No, nothing should appear then. Does the real message appear after searching?

On pc Debian x86-64 with master sources updated today (+rendering gtk3 and
enable-dbgutil and English/US UI), when searching a non existing string, it
indeed displays "Search key not found".
If there's not enough space to display the whole message, I got only a part,
eg: "Search key not" with ">>" overlapping "not".
Remark: in this case clicking on ">>" gives nothing (no popup, no placeholder
message, etc.)

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101001] need to move link checkbox in dialogue Insert image files

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101001

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 96015] Add links to wiki, askbot, TDF, portals in Help menu

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96015

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   Keywords|needsDevEval, needsUXEval   |

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 52225] Greek symbols default to non-italic, need additional control of the GreekCharStyle property

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52225

--- Comment #23 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Takeshi Abe from comment #20)

done, see bug 101174

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 52225] Greek symbols default to non-italic, need additional control of the GreekCharStyle property

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52225

V Stuart Foote  changed:

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   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 52225] Greek symbols default to non-italic, need additional control of the GreekCharStyle property

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52225

--- Comment #22 from j...@curioussymbols.com ---
About changing the font for equations... perhaps in the Format-->Fonts menu
there could be an extra setting where 'Greek' symbol font and style
(bold/italic) could be selected? The strange 'iGreek' stuff could still sit
there in the background, but the font options for '%rho' etc would then become
sane and user-accessible. The default fonts would sit as settings in the local
LibreOffice install, but any new formula would remember its particular font
settings and font sizes so that the formula would stay the same if edited by
another user on another machine...

I checked MS Eq Ed 3 -- that's how they used to do it too
(https://people.richland.edu/james/misc/editor.pdf#page=3)

Another thing -- why are the Greek symbols even in the Symbol Catalog? Surely
we already know where they live...? I think that this Symbol Catalog was a Big
Stick that was used to address the Greek symbol thing, but it's overkill and
not elegant.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90875] Writer and Calc doesnt have easy means of rotating shapes with single click

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90875

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--- Comment #3 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
(In reply to Gülşah Köse from comment #2)
> Hi Yousuf, Is that still valid? If so can you give more information about it?

Hey Gulsah, yes still valid. So open Draw and draw a shape, and while its
selected, click it once more and you'll see the 4 corners of the shape change
from blue squares to red circles (aka rotation mode), and then moving the
corners will rotate the shape. It seems that this feature isnt activated in
impress either, which is strange.

Just like Stuart mentioned, rotation is a common action for shapes, which is
why in MSO has a rotation circle is always present on a shape when its
selected.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ls_XFBCH2cI/TejXSx6JKSI/A3s/gMSYQ_iIATc/s1600/triangle.PNG

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 52225] Greek symbols default to non-italic, need additional control of the GreekCharStyle property

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52225

--- Comment #21 from j...@curioussymbols.com ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #19)
> @john, *
> 
> > added a screenshot showing the font alignment problem. I am reporting it
> > here because as with the Greek italic thing, there is no way to easily
> > change the font for all Greek letters at once. It is a very tedious process
> > using the buggy 'Symbol Catalog' dialog.
> 
> Correct, changing individual fonts via Specialized Symbols dialog in the
> Math module is tedious--best to only use that to add additional defined
> symbols. As is IIUC your edits are changing the font used Unicode codepoint
> assignments found in
> http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/starmath/inc/types.hxx

No, as noted at the top of that file, that file doesn't contain the greek
letters ('%alpha ... %gamma for example')

> 
> Fortunately, substituting an entire font (as in comment 13 ) is trivial.
> Done from Tools -> Options -> Fonts: "Apply Replacement Table" checkbox and
> select OpenSymbol on left and a replacement font (Cambria Math, Asana, Stix,
> etc.) on right column--check button to add. Adjust the "Always" and "Screen"
> checkbox as preferred and then OK to apply. Reenter the dialog, select and
> edit to try a different substitute font (or remove to revert to default).

But this won't be portable... if I send my file to someone else, they'll see
the same broken OpenSymbol font again, right? Especially if they make any
changes to a formula. That would be rather puzzling for them, I think.

> 
> > (1) Can I also request that we move from OpenSymbol to Liberation Serif for
> > the font? The kerning and font metrics stuff (I don't know quite the right
> > words) are all wrong for OpenSymbol and don't work properly.
> > 
> 
> > To test/demonstrate this, observe the very poor formatting of the left most
> > '%nu' in the following:
> > { 1 over %nu } { %nu over {1 + %nu} }
> 
> No this is an issue with positioning of nodes composed with OVER and the
> greek symbols--the baseline shifts. It is even worse on Windows builds with
> OpenGL rendering (bug 99351). But, it affects glyphs for any font family in
> use. Trying to fix this with a substituted glyph is the wrong approach,
> rather the positioning code for composing these types of nodes needs to be
> tweaked to compose correctly.

That doesn't sound right to me. When I use Liberation Serif, the %nu symbols in
the denominator all line up perfectly. When I use OpenSymbol, the denominator
is a  a mess. So, even though I don't quite understand the point you're making
about baselines, you can look at my attached screenshot and see that the font
family *does* affect this. (I can repeat the test with the same symbol in two
different fonts, but I didn't want to be bothered battling the Symbol Catalog
again -- please let me know if I need to do that and I will)

As I look at it, there seems to be extra information associated with the
symbols in the Liberation Serif font, and the equation editor is making use of
that extra information and the symbols look great. If I guessed, I would say
that there is information about the capital 'X' height for the font, and even
though the %nu' is smaller than the the 'X', the smarter Liberation Serif leave
space, but the more stupid OpenSymbol has only got the size of the immediate
symbol at hand to deal with, so it doesn't know to leave more space.

> 
> > 
> > (2) If we are changing the defaults for Formula behaviour, please also note
> > that the default Formula settings add a large border/spacing around each
> > equation. The result is that the formatting looks terrible for in-line
> > equations/symbols.
> 
> You can modify the spacing from Tools -> Options -> Advanced: Open Expert
> Configuration  and search for "StandardFormat", note you can make the font
> assignments (other than font used for the Greek Symbols) there as well.

Understood. The point is that the default setting is a bad default choice. I
can't think why anyone would want space like this around formulas. Neither for
in-line nor line-of-their-own nor "fn [F3]" numbered equations. My suspicion is
that the space was added as a workaround for some previous bug to do with
grabbing focus on objects with the mouse, or something like that.

> 
> =-=-=
> 
> @Takeshi -- couldn't we add a StandardFormat stanza to Expert Configuration
> to set the FNT_MATH, FNTNAME_MATH, FONTNAME_MATH variable there (default
> would still be OpenSymbol) and not have to depend on the Fonts ->
> Replacement Table mechanism?

That's right, the font replacement mechanism doesn't sound like a good option.
But I think the right option is to simply adopt a better symbol font than the
current default one (again, try the '%nu' thing above, so that you can see why
OpenSymbol is broken).

Thanks so much for your help and attention!

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90875] Writer and Calc doesnt have easy means of rotating shapes with single click

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--- Comment #2 from Gülşah Köse  ---
Hi Yousuf, Is that still valid? If so can you give more information about it?

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101154] Change problematic "intellectual property" term

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101154

Alex Thurgood  changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Alex Thurgood  ---
Setting to new with regard to the use of the word "Intellectual Property", a
better definition would indeed appear to be "Confidentiality"

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101154] Change problematic "intellectual property" term

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101154

--- Comment #3 from Alex Thurgood  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2)

Agreed.

When I first encountered this toolbar, it was in relation to a bug reported
against the background colour not being graduated in the same way as the other
toolbars for OSX. I literally had no idea of what this was, or what it was
supposed to achieve.

At present, I fail to understand what useful purpose it might have, especially
seeing as the tag definitions do not appear to be editable nor their content
modifiable, or capable of being localised (I hope I am wrong with this last
one, else what a mess the toolbar will be for non US-English users). I assume
that there is a spec somewhere that defines the rationale behind it ? Apologies
to all for digressing from the bug report, but I'm trying to understand how
this came into being and what use-case it serves.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101129] Message [placeholder for message] at end of find bar

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101129

--- Comment #5 from Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB)  ---
(In reply to Julien Nabet from comment #4)
> Even, if there was no search made?
> Indeed, i can see the "placeholder" message without having done any search.

No, nothing should appear then. Does the real message appear after searching?

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101154] Change problematic "intellectual property" term

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--- Comment #1 from Julien Nabet  ---
Let's ask to ux-team their opinion about this one.

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