[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 41542] FORMATTING: Allow "Spacing to contents" for edges without a line

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41542

--- Comment #29 from Commit Notification 
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Justin Luth committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=8eff1decd91cbfb10094c25d4cf1d2b434a4da72

tdf#41542 MSWordExport: accommodate image's borderless padding

It will be available in 5.3.0.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds

Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 103093] "Insert as Link" should be renamed to "Reference externally ( non-embedded)"

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103093

--- Comment #19 from Luke  ---
I totally agree that consistency is paramount. When it comes to picking the
best terms, I do not think polling is the answer either. As you pointed out,
we’re not your “average users”.

I propose we survey as many office suites and desktop publishing programs we
can. We should use the latest version to make sure nothing is dated. Let’s pick
the term based on the accepted industry standard for current software. 

This way users coming from other applications will be comfortable. And we avoid
all the polling issues of leading questions and sampling errors.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 103093] "Insert as Link" should be renamed to "Reference externally ( non-embedded)"

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103093

--- Comment #18 from Björn Michaelsen  ---
(In reply to Luke from comment #16)
> Your claim that "Hyperlink is terribly dated vocabulary" is patently false 
> for us native speakers.

Citation needed (just as is for my original assumption that 'hyperlink' is
being dated).

> Any native English speaker with basic computer literacy knows exactly what
> ‘hyperlink’ means and does not find it confusing.

I still find that doubtful. I assume that asking 20 random people (which is the
target audience for LibreOffice, not people on bugtrackers) on the street of a
native english speaking country will only yield a minority confidently be able
to answer the question "Can you tell what the difference between a hyperlink
and a link in your browser is?" with "There isnt one." -- Most will assume a
'hyperlink' to be some Magic Thing that is special and different from the
'normal' link they know from their browser.

Anyway, the 'native english' thing was and is just a limitation of the scope of
this discussion. There have been assumptions this would apply to all l10ns
(https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101442#c29), which isnt
the case. So Im not claiming any authority as a native speaker at all.

(In reply to Luke from comment #17)
> https://helpx.adobe.com/indesign/using/hyperlinks.html

Thanks, that is helpful.

FWIW, whatever the word used for (hyper)links in the end, we should use the
same word everywhere (which we obviously didnt before) and not mix hyperlink
and link as e.g. the pages manual did. So when we use hyperlink as a noun, we
should use it everywhere (same for the use of a 'linking'/'hyperlinking' verb,
even though mixing consistent 'hyperlink' as noun and 'linking' as verb is
fine).

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 103093] "Insert as Link" should be renamed to "Reference externally ( non-embedded)"

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103093

--- Comment #17 from Luke  ---
As far as the Pagemaker link being, old. Yes, it was. Funny thing is they
changed their name. But you know what didn’t change? They still call refer to
URLs as 'hyperlink' in both the documentation and the program itself.  Proof
here from Adobe's help site: 

https://helpx.adobe.com/indesign/using/hyperlinks.html

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 103093] "Insert as Link" should be renamed to "Reference externally ( non-embedded)"

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103093

--- Comment #16 from Luke  ---
Björn Michaelsen,

With all due respect, are you a native English speaker? Maybe it's just your
style, but even your written comments come off as stilted. Your claim that
"Hyperlink is terribly dated vocabulary" is patently false for us native
speakers. 

No disrespect, but you are making things more confusing without any benefit.
Any native English speaker with basic computer literacy knows exactly what
‘hyperlink’ means and does not find it confusing. The overload term 'link' can
be confusing.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 103093] "Insert as Link" should be renamed to "Reference externally ( non-embedded)"

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103093

--- Comment #15 from Björn Michaelsen  ---
(In reply to Björn Michaelsen from comment #14)
> Anyway, so far I havent heard one good reason to use the ambiguous and
> technical wording with 'link' for the text frame feature. Thus using "Form a
> Single Text Chain" instead of any wording using 'link' seems to have no
> drawbacks, but only advantages. As such, unless I overlooked a drawback,
> THAT change should be non-controversal (and should not need any surveys) as
> it unclutters the problem space quite a bit already.

(Hint: If confirmed, this means this might be an EasyHack that UX might both
create and promise to mentor.)

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 103093] "Insert as Link" should be renamed to "Reference externally ( non-embedded)"

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103093

--- Comment #14 from Björn Michaelsen  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #13)
> "What is the best name for
>Link   Hyperlink   URLReference  Chain
> Resource on 
> the Internet   () ()  () () () 
> Resource within 
> the document   () ()  () () () 
> Resource at local 
> file system() ()  () () () 
> Connected text 
> blocks () ()  () () ()
> etc.
> 
> This matrix question cannot be asked on G+ but at the blog.

I would start the other way around to learn about user expectations when
encountering these words, e.g. with questions like:
- "When you see the LibreOffice interface refer to 'link' what do you expect it
to refer to?"
- "Are you aware (without googling for them first) of a difference between the
meaning of 'link' and 'hyperlink' for you when you come across them in the
LibreOffice interface? If yes, what is it?"
- "Are you aware (without googling for it first) of uses of the word 'link' in
the LibreOffice interface that do not refer to resources (webpages, pictures,
videos etc.) on the internet or on the local computer? If so, which are those?"

Of course, the audience for these questions on G+/blog is highly self-selected
(thus the importance of the 'w/o googling first hint', which might still be
ignored) -- and the answers are free-text, which is more work to analyse. I
assume 50% of TDF blog readers are very much not aware about "connected text
blocks" when not hinted at it explicitly or implicitly at them[1] before. As
blog readership is self-selected, 50% TDF of blog readers being aware
translates to 99% of the general user base not being aware of "linked text
frames".

Anyway, so far I havent heard one good reason to use the ambiguous and
technical wording with 'link' for the text frame feature. Thus using "Form a
Single Text Chain" instead of any wording using 'link' seems to have no
drawbacks, but only advantages. As such, unless I overlooked a drawback, THAT
change should be non-controversal (and should not need any surveys) as it
unclutters the problem space quite a bit already.

Another reference: https://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/Pages09_UserGuide.pdf
seems to use both 'hyperlink' and 'link' interchangeably in the UI. Sadly there
does not seem to be any newer version available.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priming_(psychology)

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 103391] Show dialog when no local help is installed

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103391

--- Comment #8 from Vidhey PV  ---
I looked into sfx2/source/appl/sfxhelp.cxx and SfxHelp::Start_Impl function.I
tried to understand it ,but I was not able to understand "what the structs used
in the function does and some functions used in the Start_impl does".I think
the comments are not sufficient enough to understand the code.Is there any doc
or READMe where all the structs used or what a function does is explained???

---Thanks

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 103093] "Insert as Link" should be renamed to "Reference externally ( non-embedded)"

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103093

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||needsUXEval
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 CC|tietze.he...@gmail.com  |libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
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 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #13 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Björn Michaelsen from comment #12)
> Data on this is hard to come by...

We could do a quick poll on G+, got ~200 replies from the LibreOffice channel
with the last questions. But on the other hand the question is not easy to ask
in a comprehensive way. Things like "What do you prefer for resources on the
Internet? () Link () Hyperlink" do not work as the complexity is not addressed.
But maybe 

"What is the best name for
   Link   Hyperlink   URLReference  Chain
Resource on 
the Internet   () ()  () () () 
Resource within 
the document   () ()  () () () 
Resource at local 
file system() ()  () () () 
Connected text 
blocks () ()  () () ()
etc.

This matrix question cannot be asked on G+ but at the blog.

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