[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 122696] Page settings missing a few paper sizes

2019-05-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122696

V Stuart Foote  changed:

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--- Comment #7 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Hmm, looking at the vast mix of standards based and extended paper
specifications [1] that could require internal LO support shows our current
droplist of 31 entries is really inadequate.

But then as currently positioned--LibreOffice project scope is really not in
the DTP arena. 

Especially since we can not produce proper Bleed and Printers marks [2], and
our VCL canvas layout is limited to what ODF can support. 

How relevant really are the majority of the larger paper sizes: 4A0, 2A0, A0,
A1 even A2; or the corresponding C or B series sizes in those ranges. Likewise
the larger DIN 476-1/476-2, SIS, JIS or American ANSI E, D, or C sizes? 

When even being able to print most requires access to large format plotter or
offset press--specialized equipment that is out of scope for our office
project!

In fact having no DTP capability for Bleeds, Slugs and Cut lines currently
eliminates _any_ utility to supporting the oversize "raw" ISO 217 RA & RSA page
sizes. The extra "raw" size intended only to be trimmed away.

The smaller sizes are equally questionable--most can not be handled in personal
or home office printers. Why would we support those page layout formats at the
expense of a cluttered UI?

So I agree there is room to fix content of the drop listing for reasonably
useful paper sizes--especially where we have gaps in localized support. And it
looks like some of the envelope sizes are suspect (e.g. ISO 269 is "withdrawn")
yet we list those envelop sizes available? M

But while LO continues to be lacking DTP support, project should not feel
obliged to support what are essentially "exotic" page sizes. The existing drop
list UI is functional. But if a dev is motivated to pick up Jonathan's rework
it looks feasible in general, but short of that nothing to be gained.

IMHO => WF

=-ref-=
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size
[2] bug 76629, bug 93166, bug 103396, bug 103683


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99525
[Bug 99525] [META] Enhance Draw's DTP capabilities
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 122696] Page settings missing a few paper sizes

2019-05-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122696

--- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to jonathon from comment #5)
> ...
> This presents a drop down list of page size groups...

Interesting. A modification of your idea could be to have the checkboxes of
page format types under tools > options and we could pre-check it depending on
the locale.

But simple solution is always preferred. So if Pablo can suggest a subset of
RA/SRA...

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 122696] Page settings missing a few paper sizes

2019-05-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122696

--- Comment #5 from jonathon  ---
I'm going to make a radical proposal here.  I don't know how difficult it would
be to implement this solution.  The primary virtue is that it provides users
the ability to add groups of paper sizes that they use, whilst keeping the
number of sizes down to the minimum necessary for users.

It is a three part solution:

a) Replace "Styles and Formatting > Page Styles >Page >Format" with
""Styles and Formatting > Page Styles >Page >Standard" 

This presents a drop down list of page size groups, that can be edited,
deleted, added to, or otherwise modified by the user.   
Standard groups to be included are:
* ISO A sizes;
* ISO B sizes;
* ISO C sizes;
* Customary Japanese sizes;
* Customary US sizes;
* Imperial British sizes;
* User;

Users have the ability to add additional groups here.

Upon selecting a group, the drop menu lists the appropriate paper sizes.

The User group contains one page size --- "user", whose attributes, including
name and group, must be defined by the user.

b)  Page "User"
This page is basically the same as the current format "User".
The major differences are that:
* The user must select a group for the page;
* The user must give the page a name;
* The page attributes are saved and reusable elsewhere;

c) Write an extension for the "missing" groups of page styles. 
For this specific issue, that would be the RA & SRA series of page sizes. For
a11y organisations, that would be Braille Paper sizes, or Moon Page sizes.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 121593] Multi-selection should be selection of objects, even if clicked inside the text area

2019-05-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121593

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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   |.freedesktop.org|xiscofa...@libreoffice.org
   Severity|enhancement |normal

--- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Yes, changing properties should apply to all selected objects. But I cannot
confirm the issue in 6.1, shape color, paragraph (left align), character (red
font, font name, italic) all are applied to all shapes.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 125282] UX: The Find bar should search in “Current selection only” if a cell range is selected

2019-05-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125282

--- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze  ---
I disagree here. The find bar is overloaded options right now and adding
another option makes this UI control even more heavy. In my opinion it's just
two different ways to search with a more straightforward option for the find
bar that just has "Find All". And I'm definitely against assuming the user
wants always to search in the current selection. 

More opinions please.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 125217] Replace Mozilla themes with a proprietary tool reusing the existing

2019-05-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125217

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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   Keywords|needsUXEval |easyHack, needsDevEval
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |tietze.he...@gmail.com
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--- Comment #5 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Muhammet, please provide some code pointers to make this an easyhack.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 125280] Footer can not be made to appear only on the first page after it has been filled with content

2019-05-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125280

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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   Keywords|needsUXEval |
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |tietze.he...@gmail.com
   |.freedesktop.org|

--- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Obviously users, at least one, struggle with the option. The hierarchically
organized checkboxes are not depending on each other, ie. if the children are
disabled the parent has to reflect this. But OTOH disabling all footnotes
"magically" wouldn't solve the issue and rather produce more trouble for most
users. Actually we have five options: off, on with the same on all pages, on
with different on first page, on with different on left/right, on with
different on first as well as left/right pages. Are radiobuttons better suited?
Don't think so. Let's keep it a NAB.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 125227] duplicate assignment of accelerators on a single menu disrupts keyboard use, eliminate duplicate accelerators

2019-05-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125227

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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   Keywords|needsUXEval |
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |tietze.he...@gmail.com
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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze  ---
We do care about duplicate shortcuts and try to avoid. You cannot use shift for
the accelerator (would be a shortcut then). So based on c4 and c3 I close the
issue as WF. 

But please don't hesitate to report issues - and potential solutions. Your
contribution is very welcome.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 122696] Page settings missing a few paper sizes

2019-05-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122696

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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 Status|NEW |NEEDINFO

--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze  ---
While Cor has no issues with a large dropdown list it's bad usability when this
kind of control is used for a large number of items. In this case it would be
better realized as list with a connected search field.

Secondly, 14 new types clutter the list of well know sizes. So what I would
agree with is a small number of <5 items. Pablo, do you think RA4 and RA5 is
enough as defaults? You can always define the size manually and store a
template.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124477] Provide an option to hide the animation effect

2019-05-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124477

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |mentoring@documentfoundatio
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   ||tietze.he...@gmail.com
   Keywords|needsUXEval |difficultyInteresting,
   ||easyHack, needsDevEval,
   ||topicUI

--- Comment #5 from Heiko Tietze  ---
We discussed the idea in the design meeting and agree with "[x] Show animation
type" (default = on) in the context menu of the animations.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 45778] [RFE] Insert image not in a new paragraph but in the current position or as character

2019-05-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45778

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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   Keywords|needsUXEval |difficultyInteresting,
   ||easyHack, needsDevEval,
   ||topicUI
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |tietze.he...@gmail.com
   |.freedesktop.org|

--- Comment #13 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Quick poll on Twitter revealed no clear picture how users anchor 31% To Page,
39% To Paragraph, 7% To Character, 23% As Character (some comments "it
depends").

Another option might clutter but would be the correct reaction to this result.
And such an option is easy to understand compared to some magic function that
combines the recently applied properties and takes it into the next operation
(comment 8).

It might be not too difficult to add the option, so easyhack.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 98193] Save icon breaks icon customization

2019-05-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98193

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |tietze.he...@gmail.com
   |.freedesktop.org|
   Keywords|needsUXEval |
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED

--- Comment #16 from Heiko Tietze  ---
We discussed the issue in the design meeting. Possible solutions are:

 a) combine two/some icons in one with a proprietary format,
 b) split the UNO command into uno:SAVEEMPTY and uno:SAVEMODIFIED, 
 c1) draw the decoration programmatically, 
 c2) combine/overlay two icons

None of these are good solutions. And actually it's not common to change single
icons so taking the effort of any patch into account it's not worth to do. =>
WF

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 125227] duplicate assignment of accelerators on a single menu disrupts keyboard use, eliminate duplicate accelerators

2019-05-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125227

--- Comment #6 from tor...@yahoo.com ---
No 'need to remember if the mnemonic is  upper or just…', one can SEE if
the underlined character is 'a' or 'A'. And hitting shift-a is less gymnastic
than a twice and Enter.
Besides, the second choice marked 'A' could respond to a 2nd 'a' hit if the
user did not Shift — for whatever reason, including not being used to the new
procedure.

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