[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101193] Return object Name and Description dialog buttons to object context menus

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

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 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |tietze.he...@gmail.com
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--- Comment #21 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to andreas_k from comment #20)
> Did I miss something

Maxim, something that comes in your mind?

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101193] Return object Name and Description dialog buttons to object context menus

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andreas_k  changed:

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--- Comment #20 from andreas_k  ---
Hi I need feedback for Name and Description items in Context menu.

Name Description in writer context menu
- graphic not available
- draw available
- media available
- oleobject available
- form available


From my point of view Name and Descriptions should be available for all the
objects or for none.

Description
- graphic, draw, media, oleobject, form for ALL apps available

Name
- graphic, draw, media, oleobject, form for Draw available
- form for ALL apps available
other area Name isn't needed cause it's only needed to separate stuff in the
navigator.

Did I miss something

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101193] Return object Name and Description dialog buttons to object context menus

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V Stuart Foote  changed:

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 Depends on||96355


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96355
[Bug 96355] All-in-one Textbox/Shape/Object properties dialog
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101193] Return object Name and Description dialog buttons to object context menus

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--- Comment #19 from V Stuart Foote  ---
*** Bug 96405 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #18 from V Stuart Foote  ---
*** Bug 116289 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101193] Return object Name and Description dialog buttons to object context menus

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101193] Return object Name and Description dialog buttons to object context menus

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 CC||jean-philippe.mengual@libre
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101193] Return object Name and Description dialog buttons to object context menus

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Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

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   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10
   ||7589

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--- Comment #17 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #9)
> Draw's menus have been modified during the rework.

Correction: Draw's menus have not been modified during the rework.

> Yes that was an oversight because it was never in the menus before the
> rework.

Fixed in this patch -
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=606894486d7eb85d9748675ef4ef5bda12846753

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101193] Return object Name and Description dialog buttons to object context menus

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Cor Nouws  changed:

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 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|WONTFIX |---

--- Comment #15 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #14)

> ... and the creation of an all-in-one object properties dialog (bug
> 96355) that has fields for name, title and description. This will give easy
> context menu access to these fields.

I especially like this idea.
However, waiting for that to be done, sometime somehow, one could argue that
for time being an easy user friendly improvement is to restore the context
menu.
Let me be the one to argue so.

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Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

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 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96
   ||355
 Blocks||101912
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #14 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
Closing this as there isnt a need to keep it open, but just to clarify, what is
needed is the description field be added to the images dialog in writer (bug
107589) and the creation of an all-in-one object properties dialog (bug 96355)
that has fields for name, title and description. This will give easy context
menu access to these fields.


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101912
[Bug 101912] [META] Accessibility (a11y) bugs and enhancements
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--- Comment #13 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #12)

> Maybe someone can give some insight on the reasons for this detailed demand
> in the specs? From contact with someone in accessibility, looking for those
> attributes, I wouldn't be surprised if it comes from that expertise.

Looks so. Accidentally coming across
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81132#c5

(Michael Meeks in comment #5)
> So - a point of fact here; the context menu is often exposed for a11y
> reasons to the Accessibility Technology, and removing things can have an
> impact. Having said that having smaller context menus is also a worthy goal.
> Ultimately this is one for the UX team I think - personally I love Jay's
> data-driven approach.

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--- Comment #12 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #11)

> Surprising how demanding the specs are sometimes. This paragraph should be
> changed as the tool is responsible how functions are presented. Without a
> use case, scenario, workflow, or any reason, this statement makes no sense.

Maybe someone can give some insight on the reasons for this detailed demand in
the specs? From contact with someone in accessibility, looking for those
attributes, I wouldn't be surprised if it comes from that expertise.

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Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

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 Blocks||86349


Referenced Bugs:

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[Bug 86349] [META] Context menu bugs and enhancements
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--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
How about a properties dialog for images that allows to enter name,
description, caption (if available), and positon & size? I would also include
the line properties and image options (brightness, contrast etc.).
Otherwise consistency first so both belong to the format menu.

(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #7)
> Authoring tools should provide an option from an objects context menu...

Surprising how demanding the specs are sometimes. This paragraph should be
changed as the tool is responsible how functions are presented. Without a use
case, scenario, workflow, or any reason, this statement makes no sense.

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--- Comment #10 from V Stuart Foote  ---
@Jay, *

(In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #9)
> > Only question here becomes should the Name and Description actions be
> > present on context menu by default.
> 
> No they shouldnt, which is why it was removed them.
> 
> > Aside from preparing tagged content for a11y use, given our desire to
> > improve Navigator function--facilitating Name, Title and Description for
> > each object by providing context menu access seems desirable in the general
> > case.
> 
> Users shouldnt need to open up 2 different dialogs to modify name, title and
> description, so it is better to consolidate all of these in the image
> properties dialog.

The need to Name, or to provide a Description (Title--for Alternative text--and
a Description) is a requirement not just for Images, but for all objects. It is
a UI issue as the Name/Title controls their behavior on Navigator.

And from a UX perspective the time to set an attribute is while the object is
being created or placed. Frankly that is most efficient from the context menu.
Removing them was fine--having added ability to customize context menus (as
we've been doing for toolbars forever) allows us to pick and choose reasonable
defaults, and then for users to adjust as they prefer.

I do agree that adding the attributes to the properties dialog for each object
would be helpful. In addition to the Name field that is is there already.

Yes, behavior of the Name dialog and Description dialogs launched from
menus--or from context menus--needs to be handled in a more consistent
interface across modules.

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Yousuf (Jay) Philips  changed:

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--- Comment #9 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
(In reply to horus from comment #0)
> Second, it's put in to Format (menu) > Description.  But that's illogical! 
> Description has *nothing* to do with *format*!

Name, title and description are attributes/properties of the image and the
format menu focusing on altering those properties.

> Can't you put it back on context menu and remove it from "Format" menu?

Unfortunately it wouldnt be included back in the context menu as we are keeping
the context menus short. Name is available through the context menu with the
image properties entry on the options tab. It would be useful for title and
description to also be in the dialog.

(In reply to horus from comment #2)
> To be fair, I just found that Format (menu) > Description actually came from
> old version of OpenOffice, so it's nothing new in LibreOffice. It's just
> that I never looked in that place :D

You are incorrect as openoffice had and still has it in Format > Object >
Description and it was moved to Format > Description in libreoffice 5.1.

(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #7)
> As the context menu cannot be configured in LO5.1, removing these two items
> should be reverted in the 5.1 branch.

Cant say i'd agree as the image context menu already has 15 entries in it.

(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #8)
> for Writer on the Format menu,
> for Impress on the Format menu,
> for Draw on the Modify menu, and

Draw's menus have been modified during the rework.

> for Calc it is not provided on menu, either Format or Format -> Object. 

Yes that was an oversight because it was never in the menus before the rework.

> For Calc it remains only on the Context menu for the object (where the
> control had been for the other modules (except Draw's Modify menu). Handling
> in Calc will need to be corrected.

Yes most of the context menu alterations happened in writer and impress/draw,
so calc hasnt had the clean up as yet.

> Only question here becomes should the Name and Description actions be
> present on context menu by default.

No they shouldnt, which is why it was removed them.

> Aside from preparing tagged content for a11y use, given our desire to
> improve Navigator function--facilitating Name, Title and Description for
> each object by providing context menu access seems desirable in the general
> case.

Users shouldnt need to open up 2 different dialogs to modify name, title and
description, so it is better to consolidate all of these in the image
properties dialog.

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