[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 --- Comment #24 from E Net Arch --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #4) > The dialog has to fit on small screens, see bug 127782 (and duplicates). > > It boils down what properties are most common and, to less extend, what > properties belong together. Duplex is likely nothing all users have on the > printer and if we would move the number of copies into the visible part we'd > also have to take the order. I don't see alternative except we split the > options again, as it was before, and you have to go to another tab. This sounds like a CSS problem. May I recommend that you make the dialog a little more intelligent. If the screen with allows, open everything. If it's doesn't allow minimize. And then allow the user to determine what options they want PINNED open. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 --- Comment #23 from Matt McKenzie --- Can I just say that the current print dialog is a total pain. I have to click BOTH "more" arrows EVERY time I open it. I have a large screen AND I have a duplex printer AND I want to check the "brochure" setting AND I want to select the number of copies. ALSO it does some pretty weird stuff with paper sizes. I have a custom paper size defined on the printer 150mm x 320mm. I go into the printer properties dialog to check that I've selected the right things and when it returns it has set the "Paper size" under Page Layout to 105mm x 148mm. Where has it got that from? AND having set everything up to perfection (brochure ticked, landscape format) after the dialog is closed and reopened, the preview comes up as a portrait image - until you click the button under preview when it correctly shows as two pages side by side on landscape paper. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 --- Comment #22 from simonb --- (In reply to Timur from comment #18) > snip... remember expanded state? ...snip... best solution for all people. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 Mike Kaganski changed: What|Removed |Added CC||dmackey1...@gmail.com --- Comment #21 from Mike Kaganski --- *** Bug 137266 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 Timur changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13 ||5691 CC||gti...@gmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 Timur changed: What|Removed |Added CC||szellszab...@gmail.com --- Comment #20 from Timur --- *** Bug 136797 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 Timur changed: What|Removed |Added CC||dr...@smolpk.ru --- Comment #19 from Timur --- *** Bug 135690 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 Timur changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13 ||4679 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 --- Comment #18 from Timur --- Could someone explain why talk about shuffle, isn't a solution possible to remember expanded state? So that only first run window is small and we expand it once for good. Not sure if Search and Replace works like that. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 Timur changed: What|Removed |Added CC||engineering@radiolabworks.c ||om --- Comment #17 from Timur --- *** Bug 135426 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 --- Comment #16 from khagar...@gmail.com --- Please note that for the Acrobat Reader example, there would also be VISIBLE duplex settings, if the printer supported duplex. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 --- Comment #15 from Telesto --- (In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #14) > Created attachment 163008 [details] > Another print dialog screencast: Acrobat Reader Also nice. Lets see what Heiko designs -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 --- Comment #14 from Mike Kaganski --- Created attachment 163008 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=163008=edit Another print dialog screencast: Acrobat Reader -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 --- Comment #13 from Telesto --- Created attachment 163006 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=163006=edit Screencast of different option -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 --- Comment #12 from Telesto --- (In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #11) > Please don't add more pages. (Could you please remind where is the rationale > for GSoC that introduced the change btw, to keep it in mind?) It's normal > practice to have collapsed sections. It just needs deciding which should be > inside the collapsing regions, and which are important (current choice is > largely random). I really get the objection, and it's not my first choice either. However, the current one is awfully big. You can hide stuff behind more (but always out of sight), so people can't find it.. mor expand it to look what it does, and it won't fit on screen. My alternative (already proposed) (a) shrink the list of 'range of copy's. So instead of vertical list/ more horizontal. Comment 7/ and my quick and dirty reshuffle (b) Removing the 'more" expander space (c) Page per sheet -> custom -> settings maybe hidden in a dialog instead of expanding below This should be enough for MacOS/Windows to fit on screen with everything one screen. However, not sure about GTK3/GEN/QT5. And I'm slightly out of idea's... the tab thing is more the last resort. Number of copy's box could be reduced in size, but sure what to benefit would be. And the orientation and paper size is less of a requirement from my point of view. I'm used to use printer properties for that. --- BTW, if we start redesign it again. Can the somewhat useless 'More options button' be removed too. It has only one setting which belongs to Collate anyhow. I expected multitude of options, not a single one :-) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 --- Comment #11 from Mike Kaganski --- Please don't add more pages. (Could you please remind where is the rationale for GSoC that introduced the change btw, to keep it in mind?) It's normal practice to have collapsed sections. It just needs deciding which should be inside the collapsing regions, and which are important (current choice is largely random). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 --- Comment #10 from Telesto --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #9) > Mentioned on bug 134274, we could expand the 'more' sections in case of > large screens by default. No shuffling needed and easy to implement. What do call a large screen HiDPI? The thing is really big if Pages to sheet set to custom on my Linux VM gen backend. Yes there are few borders of Windowed screen. And all those with lesser resolution have to do with more expand button + scrolling down. I prefer uniformity across the board for all screens; no second class citizens. I voting for a new tab for page layout. Caolan happy, me happy (and hopefully a lot of people :-). And it's not untested.. Or is there a list of bugs/enhancement requests related to the move of the page layout to the main screen -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW Ever confirmed|0 |1 --- Comment #9 from Heiko Tietze --- Mentioned on bug 134274, we could expand the 'more' sections in case of large screens by default. No shuffling needed and easy to implement. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 --- Comment #8 from khagar...@gmail.com --- (In reply to Telesto from comment #5) >Duplex is likely nothing all users have on the > printer Well let me tell you that for users that do have duplex the current state of the dialog is rage inducing. One solution I would suggest is to make the dialog remember it's size/state. Actually, remembering size should be a thing for other dialogs as well, because after the move to glade ui files a lot of the dialogs have cut off labels, way too narrow dropdowns and other similar issues. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 --- Comment #7 from Telesto --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #6) > (In reply to Telesto from comment #5) > > Created attachment 162788 [details] > > Quick and dirty shuffle > > More dirty than quick shuffle. The even/odd thing is now in an extra > dropdown. And I disagree with randomly placed radio buttons. You also > removed all "more" sections but controls and spacing is typically more > narrow on Windows. > > A potential solution is to expand/remove the more sections and require > scrolling. Could be part of the solution. Randomly placed radio buttons. -> yes, didn't really think this through.. However, the list is also 'random' to me. Why is selection at the bottom?. And the large 'page' input field makes no sense.. How many pages can a document contain.. there is room for a very very large number :-) And the whole list is wasting precious space. So vertical alignment makes sense to me * All pages | * Selection |* Pages [X] * Even Pages | * Odd pages I don't think people get confused.. Or that's 'random'. Even and odd pages are a 'set'. All pages selection, or specific page can be seen as a set. The ratio button prevents to that both rows can be seen a separate settings And easier to read too However, of course my personal preferences, more input is needed -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 --- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Telesto from comment #5) > Created attachment 162788 [details] > Quick and dirty shuffle More dirty than quick shuffle. The even/odd thing is now in an extra dropdown. And I disagree with randomly placed radio buttons. You also removed all "more" sections but controls and spacing is typically more narrow on Windows. A potential solution is to expand/remove the more sections and require scrolling. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 --- Comment #5 from Telesto --- Created attachment 162788 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=162788=edit Quick and dirty shuffle The dialog has to fit on small screens, see bug 127782 (and duplicates). It boils down what properties are most common and, to less extend, what properties belong together. Duplex is likely nothing all users have on the printer and if we would move the number of copies into the visible part we'd also have to take the order. I don't see alternative except we split the options again, as it was before, and you have to go to another tab. What is common is open for debate. I have a duplex printer. And rather common in offices I assume (also a targeted group). Hiding things behind more buttons is frustrating. As no don't know what you get. Tabs are already better, but I prefer not to much tab switching.. Made a reshuffle... however not measured things.. so maybe still too large -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||103309 See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12 ||7782 --- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze --- The dialog has to fit on small screens, see bug 127782 (and duplicates). It boils down what properties are most common and, to less extend, what properties belong together. Duplex is likely nothing all users have on the printer and if we would move the number of copies into the visible part we'd also have to take the order. I don't see alternative except we split the options again, as it was before, and you have to go to another tab. Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103309 [Bug 103309] [META] Print dialog bugs and enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 --- Comment #3 from Telesto --- Created attachment 162783 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=162783=edit Screenshot Table of contents dialog -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 --- Comment #2 from Mike Kaganski --- (In reply to Telesto from comment #0) > (c) It's certainly so small to fit a small screen with all settings open See https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/254028/ though. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134640] UI: Printer settings hidden under more
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134640 Telesto changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||needsUXEval CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org --- Comment #1 from Telesto --- Sorry the bring this thing up again.. As this dialog is being redesigned recently.. And yes, I didn't follow the whole discussion back then.. so pointers or summary :-). Not that it really matters.. the current design isn't it. Someone needs to shuffle some things around with a dialog builder (or make a mock-up). And no, I don't think people will be overblown by a few more settings visible Take the size - of the Insert table of content.. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
