[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 146769] Reopen documents from previous session on start

2022-01-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146769

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
So we have different ideas for solution. To consider the hesitation in c1..3
I'd prefer a manual execution but developers may cover for eventualities.


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61174
[Bug 61174] [META] Rework of Recent Documents List, options to prevent logging
and to manage entries on the list
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 146769] Reopen documents from previous session on start

2022-01-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146769

--- Comment #10 from Samuel Mehrbrodt (allotropia) 
 ---
I think we definitely can improve in this area.

When the OS shuts down, we need to make sure all opened files are auto-saved
(probably to the LO user profile) and then reopen all those files when LO is
opened again. This somehow already works. When LO exits abnormally, it tries to
restore the last auto-saved version of each document and suggests to restore
the unsaved documents on the next start. This could be improved to integrate
with the OS session management to do the auto-save before shutting down the OS
(even before exiting LO), and just restoring all saved documents when opening
LO again.
Of course this should be made configurable (as it is in Firefox e.g.). Users
who always want to start with a clean session, should be able to do so.
Manually restoring the last session (via menu or start center) should also be
an option.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 146769] Reopen documents from previous session on start

2022-01-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Heiko Tietze  changed:

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--- Comment #9 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Basically I agree with the request. It's annoying to always restore a session.

How about a function / button on the start center as a compromise that restores
on click, alternatively to the extensions idea?

The restore function would run on exit / ctrl+Q before the close / ctrl+W or
alt+F4 event is fired. What do you think, Samuel?

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 146769] Reopen documents from previous session on start

2022-01-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146769

--- Comment #8 from johndoe...@protonmail.ch ---
Regina, thanks for the suggestion. My programming background doesn't include
LibreOffice macros. From the online material, it doesn't look too complicated
grammatically and I figured out where the events and such were. But, the API
that's documented in help doesn't seem to have a mechanism for checking to see
what docs are open. I didn't see an obvious reference to extensions or
gimmicks. For someone who's already experienced in these thing it sounds like a
 workable solution. 

Without that background, it would be far easier to craft a bash script that
took ps waux | grep libreoffice and piped it through gawk/awk to update a file.
Run that script with crond every five minutes-ish. Then add a startup script
that would open those files in libre. 

But... I think all that's besides the point. The reason for a feature
enhancement request is that this is a feature offered by a large number of
applications (as well as OS X). Such feature consistancy across user
applications is one of the basic application design principles that was
introduced by the modern GUI.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 146769] Reopen documents from previous session on start

2022-01-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #7 from Regina Henschel  ---
I think, that you can get such behavior using a macro. You can bind a macro to
the event "Start application". A possible place for such macro could be the
library 'Gimmicks' which if delivered with every installation. Or something for
an extension?

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 146769] Reopen documents from previous session on start

2022-01-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #6 from johndoe...@protonmail.ch ---
Yes, Stuart, please stop describing my report as something it is not. It is NOT
A BUG REPORT. I marked it "ENHANCEMENT" (under importance). It is still clearly
marked "ENHANCEMENT".


Telesto: it sounds like a system restore because that's what it is on an
application basis. Linux (at least the flavor of Ubuntu I run) does not
currently offer such a feature. Individual apps have certainly rolled in some
version of a restore. Browsers, Text Editors, Development environments all
offer it. You point actually addresses Foote's obsession with abusing system
resources and corruption. Mac's have offered system restore for years without
problems with either.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 146769] Reopen documents from previous session on start

2022-01-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #5 from V Stuart Foote  ---
No bug involved, it is clearly an enhancement, and the -1 is for a use case
that can not be justified (from development or maintenance or UX perspective).

Having that count of application frames enabled on launch is abusive of system
resources.  Web browsers get away with-it bcz most sessions are static with
minimal impact as system fires up. Trying to force other applications to do the
same with documents and data connections is a recipe for instability and
corruption.

Otherwise as noted, the MRU list is available from main menu or the StartCenter
thumbnail views.

Out of scope for project, and IMHO a clear won't fix => WF.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 146769] Reopen documents from previous session on start

2022-01-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #4 from johndoe...@protonmail.ch ---
Vis-a-vis comments about limited utility: between systems updates and such, my
machine reboots has to reboot, generally, weekly. Re-opening what I was working
on automatically is of immense value based on time-saved alone. The process to
manually restore things --120-150 browser tabs, 6+ libreoffice docs, another
6-10 text documents, etc., etc-- takes an hour. Firefox and Chrome adding the
option to restore last session saves an immense amount of time. 

Vis-a-vis those questioning doing it automatically, I can certain understand
that concern. It would certainly be worth offering it as a configuration
option.

The "Also -1 in the context given here..." is a bit bizarre. I'm not sure if
that's the request as a feature enhancement (as opposed to a bug request?) or
the idea that restoring the prior session at start up is the wrong time.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 146769] Reopen documents from previous session on start

2022-01-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #3 from Telesto  ---
Also -1 in the context given here.. 

---
The desire sounds more like some kind of session restore system. Restoring a
session after shutdown did/does happen on macOS. I assume something similar
being possible under Linux. No clue if there is some 'restore desktop' app for
Windows.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 146769] Reopen documents from previous session on start

2022-01-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Regina Henschel  changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Regina Henschel  ---
Recent documents are listed in the start center and in File > Recent documents.
I'm against automatically open them.

The document starts already in the previous size and at the previous position.
The only precondition is, that you have set user name.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 146769] Reopen documents from previous session on start

2022-01-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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V Stuart Foote  changed:

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--- Comment #1 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Sounds like a recipe for ODF file corruption. Clean close when the last
document has been closed, before that prompt to save or close w/o save any open
documents.

Reopening previous document(s) from previous launch is of questionable utility.

-1

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