[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148728] Should Format -> Character/ Paragraph entry's not be called Paragraph/Character Direct Formatting
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148728 Mike Kaganski changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|--- |NOTABUG Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED --- Comment #7 from Mike Kaganski --- (In reply to Telesto from comment #6) > > So when you edit properties of paragraph, you have the dialog named > > "Paragraph". > > You're right if you approach the menu entry from the perspective that the > dialog being about a paragraph, and that's why it called paragraph. > > --- > > I approach differently and do that wrong. It does not "applies Direct Formatting to an Paragraph". It *defined settings* of the paragraph. And there are many properties of a paragraph, many of which are not covered by this dialog. The "direct formatting" is not a correct name for this dialog, no matter how you look at it. Because e.g. character-related properties (DF) of the *paragraph* are not set using this dialog. Only paragraph-related properties of the paragraph. And even then, one direct property is missing - namely, style name itself. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148728] Should Format -> Character/ Paragraph entry's not be called Paragraph/Character Direct Formatting
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148728
Telesto changed:
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--- Comment #6 from Telesto ---
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #4)
> * There is an object named "Paragraph". It represents a specific piece of
> text in the document.
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> It has own properties, among them: (a) style name; (b)
> everything else.
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> Whenever you assign a style to a paragraph, you define that
> paragraph's specific direct property (a); whenever you assign font to a
> paragraph, you assign another direct property (one of (b))...
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> So when you edit properties of paragraph, you have the dialog named
> "Paragraph".
You're right if you approach the menu entry from the perspective that the
dialog being about a paragraph, and that's why it called paragraph.
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I approach differently and have tendency to include what it 'does'. The
paragraph dialog has as object a "specific piece of text in the document". The
dialog applies Direct Formatting to an Paragraph (a specific piece of text in
the document.)
Also observe the following:
1. Open Writer
2. Press Right Click
3. Notice Entry Character & Paragraph
4. Expand one of those
5. To one is for Paragraph' Paragraph.. (DF)
6. Below the separator line there a presets for formatting. In casu these are
Paragraph Styles, but these could have been Paragraph DF presets.
Offtopic comment: I would actually more or less expect Paragraph DF presets
compared to Paragraph DF styles if have paragraph containing 'hello world' and
select only world and right right click you expect to 'style' affect that
specific range but well this is not the case with Paragraph Styles (those are
about the full paragraph). but technically outside the scope here)
7. The last entry is 'Edit Style'.
Offtopic comment: If you right click within a paragraph or select a range of
text followed by right click you expect 'Edit Styles' to affect that specific
range ('this paragraph or this select, I would). However you're actually
editing the style document wide.. (but technically outside the scope here)
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In my perception paragraph being used used multiple contexts:
1) Paragraph "the specific piece of text in the document".
2) Paragraph as category ((hypernym) contain the settings regarding a Paragraph
Paragraph Style & Paragraph ... (Paragraph DF) (see context menu)
3) Paragraph.. as name for an specific dialog regarding a paragraph. It opens
a Paragraph DF dialog. So you apply Paragraph DF to an Paragraph.
Also if you have a paragraph formatted with a paragraph style, and you open the
Format -> Paragraph dialog some users might (initially) expect LibreOffice to
be 'smart' and get the 'Paragraph Styles' dialog.
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148728] Should Format -> Character/ Paragraph entry's not be called Paragraph/Character Direct Formatting
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148728 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC|heiko.tietze@documentfounda |mikekagan...@hotmail.com |tion.org| --- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze --- You are right, formatting the paragraph is applied directly on top of the style. But I also agree with Timur, renaming it to Format > Direct Paragraph Format, or the like, confuses the users and wont help to understand the concept. The dialog name is a different question. Also not worth the effort, IMO. Mike, what do you think? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148728] Should Format -> Character/ Paragraph entry's not be called Paragraph/Character Direct Formatting
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148728 --- Comment #4 from Mike Kaganski --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #3) I see that comment 2 is confused/misguided. And nothing needs any change. (In reply to Telesto from comment #2) > If you modify a style a PS style or introduce a new style, the caption of > the dialog will be Paragraph Style: Style name > > The dialog for Paragraph... will be Paragraph. > > A) If it where that obvious, you could call the Paragraph Styles dialog > Paragraph. You are in the styles deck, so it would be a style anyhow. Completely wrong. The two different captions reflect *precisely* what is being edited. * There is an object named "paragraph style", and that is *not* a paragraph, but a named set of properties that *may* be applied to *any* paragraph; so when you edit that *paragraph style* object, it is plain wrong to name the dialog simply "Paragraph": it would mean you edit something different than you in fact are editing. * There is an object named "Paragraph". It represents a specific piece of text in the document. It has own properties, among them: (a) style name; (b) everything else. Whenever you assign a style to a paragraph, you define that paragraph's specific direct property (a); whenever you assign font to a paragraph, you assign another direct property (one of (b))... So when you edit properties of paragraph, you have the dialog named "Paragraph". -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148728] Should Format -> Character/ Paragraph entry's not be called Paragraph/Character Direct Formatting
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148728 Timur changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|--- |WONTFIX Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED --- Comment #5 from Timur --- I guess we may close this. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148728] Should Format -> Character/ Paragraph entry's not be called Paragraph/Character Direct Formatting
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148728 Mike Kaganski changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|WONTFIX |NOTABUG -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148728] Should Format -> Character/ Paragraph entry's not be called Paragraph/Character Direct Formatting
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148728 --- Comment #2 from Telesto --- (In reply to Timur from comment #1) > Let's not over complicate. > If someone doesn't understand the difference between styles and DF, calling > DF will not help. If you modify a style a PS style or introduce a new style, the caption of the dialog will be Paragraph Style: Style name The dialog for Paragraph... will be Paragraph. A) If it where that obvious, you could call the Paragraph Styles dialog Paragraph. You are in the styles deck, so it would be a style anyhow. B) If you call the dialog Paragraph Direct Formatting people might use Google :-). What do the mean by "Direct Formatting?" -- It's surely a detail.. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148728] Should Format -> Character/ Paragraph entry's not be called Paragraph/Character Direct Formatting
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148728 Timur changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|medium |low Severity|normal |trivial --- Comment #1 from Timur --- Let's not over complicate. If someone doesn't understand the difference between styles and DF, calling DF will not help. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148728] Should Format -> Character/ Paragraph entry's not be called Paragraph/Character Direct Formatting
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148728 Xisco Faulí changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||needsUXEval CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org, ||xiscofa...@libreoffice.org -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
