[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 149010] "Previous Link" and "Next Link" should only appear on Frames Options tab

2022-05-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149010

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda
   |.freedesktop.org|tion.org,
   ||michael.st...@allotropia.de
   Keywords|needsUXEval |
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze  ---
There was a GSoC project to enabled chaining for text boxes.

http://gsoc15-draw.logdown.com/posts/276831-text-chaining-in-draw-an-attempt-to-specifications
http://gsoc15-draw.logdown.com/posts/283339-text-chaining-in-draw-results-at-midterm
https://matteocam.github.io/output/announcing-chained-text-in-draw-a-prototype-implementation.html

But the next/previous link entries are shown for other objects as well, like
images, that clearly need these entries to be disabled. So we have to do it
anyway.

=> disable controls conditionally, rename the "Names" section to "Accessibiliy"
and put "Next/Previous" into an extra frame labeled "Sequences" (sounds more
user-friendly to me than Chain).

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 149010] "Previous Link" and "Next Link" should only appear on Frames Options tab

2022-05-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149010

--- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #5)
> But original question remains... where the "main" content is more about 
> accessibility 

Description is exported in case of PDF. Accessibility sounds good to me, even
considering Name to be relevant on the Navigator.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 149010] "Previous Link" and "Next Link" should only appear on Frames Options tab

2022-05-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149010

--- Comment #5 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #4)
> could separate these two controls from the Names frame and have an extra
> Sequence frame.
+1

But original question remainsthe current dialog appears as follows 

Names
  Name
  Text Alternative
  Description


-- where the "main" content is more about accessibility (or if "Description" is
not going to be exported, then "documentation").  

otoh, section label is not a big deal. On the other, many Eve users want the UI
to be "intuitive"/"transparent" without having to read documentation -- perhaps
a better descriptor than "Names" can be found. (maybe "Object Description"? )

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 149010] "Previous Link" and "Next Link" should only appear on Frames Options tab

2022-05-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149010

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #2)
> ==> NeedsUXEval about whether to implement for "Text box"

My take: keep text boxes simple. Will bring this to the attention of the ESC.

(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #1)
> I think, they should be hidden when not applicable.

(In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #2)
> > > Question 2:  If only frames can be linked, then the "Previous Link" and
> > > "Next Link" should not appear at all when selected OLE Objects and Images

Yes, rather hide in this case than disable.

(In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #3)
> Can the heading be improved for the section where Previous Link and Next
> Link appear? 

We could separate these two controls from the Names frame and have an extra
Sequence frame.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 149010] "Previous Link" and "Next Link" should only appear on Frames Options tab

2022-05-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149010

--- Comment #3 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk ---
Additional UXEval question --

Can the heading be improved for the section where Previous Link and Next Link
appear? 

"Names" is neither informative nor accurate -- but have not been able to
formulate a good alternative.

If "Previous Link" and "Next Link" will only appear with Frames, then Image and
Object will only have Name, Text Alternative, and Description.  I tried,
without success, to find a label that would refer primarily to those functions.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 149010] "Previous Link" and "Next Link" should only appear on Frames Options tab

2022-05-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149010

sdc.bla...@youmail.dk changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Summary|Can non-frame objects   |"Previous Link" and "Next
   |and/or graphics be linked?  |Link" should only appear on
   ||Frames Options tab
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org
   Keywords||needsUXEval

--- Comment #2 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk ---
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #1)
> draw:chain-next-name attribute is ... only implemented for Frames in Writer. 
> would be possible for the shape "Text box" too, but ... not implemented. 
> not possible for images or OLE objects or media.
==> Help page must be revised -- to specify Frames only.
==> NeedsUXEval about whether to implement for "Text box" (no opinion from OP)


> > Question 2:  If only frames can be linked, then the "Previous Link" and
> > "Next Link" should not appear at all when selected OLE Objects and Images
==> NeedsUXEval 

And given that these controls can only be used with Frames, but not with Images
or OLE Objects, then they should only be shown in the Frames Option dialog, but
not the Image or Object  Option dialog ( code pointer:
sw/source/ui/frmdlg/frmpage.cxx )

Changing bug summary...

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