[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 149242] "Left paragraph border" -> "Left of paragraph indent" and "Right paragraph border" -> "Right of paragraph indent"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149242 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords|needsUXEval | CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda |.freedesktop.org|tion.org --- Comment #10 from Heiko Tietze --- We discussed the idea in the design meeting. The revised "Left of paragraph text area" conflicts somewhat with "Paragraph area". And we are afraid of worsening the situation. The probably more correct term "Left paragraph white-space" is hard to translate. Tooltips and a descriptive help page might be the better solution. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 149242] "Left paragraph border" -> "Left of paragraph indent" and "Right paragraph border" -> "Right of paragraph indent"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149242 --- Comment #9 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk --- (In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #6) > (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #4) > > Doubt an ordinary user can follow these considerations if > > just one adjective is added. I agree that an individual label in this context will never be able to explain its meaning by itself ...but two additional considerations that shift the perspective from the semantic meaning of an individual label to a perspective of the meaning of that label in its immediate context. 1. If you have experience with (understanding of) other labels like "Left of page text area" which is also a possibility here, then you have a better chance of guessing the meaning of "Left of paragraph text area" (compared to the current "Left paragraph border"). 2. It always a matter of choosing one label among a limited list of possibilities, so the label is often being interpreted in relation to the other possibilities. For example, there is "paragraph text area" in the same dropdown list -- so if you know "Paragraph text area" -- then you will have a better chance to guess the likely meaning of "Left of paragraph text area". -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 149242] "Left paragraph border" -> "Left of paragraph indent" and "Right paragraph border" -> "Right of paragraph indent"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149242 --- Comment #8 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #7) > Maybe the screencast makes it more clear. Enough... Because your dialog box is covering the relevant diamonds, it is hard to see. But -- when I place my mouse cursor over the middle diamond (with (center) in your screencast -- and follow your change from 4cm to 0cm -- where I can see the length of the text line increases -- then I can also see that the position of the diamond changes in relation to the mouse cursor. It will be easier for you to see what is happening if you would follow the advice to use the Paragraph section in the Properties Sidebar. (and maybe focus on the middle diamond, which should be the most visible). At the same time, your experience may help you to understand why a name change is appropriate -- because the relevant area here is from the left edge of the page text area (which is why the first diamond never moves) and the left edge of the paragraph text area (which is why the lowest diamond is always tracking the left edge of the paragraph). This why Left paragraph border should be "Left of Paragraph text area". -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 149242] "Left paragraph border" -> "Left of paragraph indent" and "Right paragraph border" -> "Right of paragraph indent"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149242 --- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze --- Created attachment 180317 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=180317=edit Screencast Indentation & Border Maybe the screencast makes it more clear. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 149242] "Left paragraph border" -> "Left of paragraph indent" and "Right paragraph border" -> "Right of paragraph indent"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149242 --- Comment #6 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #4) > Doubt an ordinary user can follow these considerations if > just one adjective is added. It is also the addition of a preposition and the removal of "Border", which suggests that the positioning is in relation to a reference line. Iow, the change indicates (correctly) positioning of an area, not an edge or line. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 149242] "Left paragraph border" -> "Left of paragraph indent" and "Right paragraph border" -> "Right of paragraph indent"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149242 --- Comment #5 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #4) > Use either 4cm left/right indentation (and zero border) or 4cm for the > border (and zero indent) - the objects remain at their place. Do not confirm. Just taking the left side: 1. The object on top will not move with indent change, because it is positioned to the Left of the region. 2. Open Property sidebar, increase the "Before text indent" in the spinbox, the middle and last objects change their position. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 149242] "Left paragraph border" -> "Left of paragraph indent" and "Right paragraph border" -> "Right of paragraph indent"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149242 --- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #3) > > In fact whether the paragraph has indentation makes no difference. > Not true. Use properties sidebar and change indentation (before, > after, or first line), see shapes moving. Use either 4cm left/right indentation (and zero border) or 4cm for the border (and zero indent) - the objects remain at their place. > > show the effect in the thumbnail. > Take a look at the "preview" for the objects on the right in the attachment. > Impossible to see a difference. (perhaps can be handled by increasing the > width of the red rectangle). Of course I mean to improve the preview. Point is that we ponder over the terms quite long and with a lot of expertise. Doubt an ordinary user can follow these considerations if just one adjective is added. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 149242] "Left paragraph border" -> "Left of paragraph indent" and "Right paragraph border" -> "Right of paragraph indent"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149242 --- Comment #3 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2) > Some terminology at bug 148782. Good point. Used "indent" because I thought it would be easier to understand, but consistency with other options suggests (without objection from me): Left of paragraph text area Right of paragraph text area > In fact whether the paragraph has indentation makes no difference. Not true. Use properties sidebar and change indentation (before, after, or first line), see shapes moving. > show the effect in the thumbnail. Take a look at the "preview" for the objects on the right in the attachment. Impossible to see a difference. (perhaps can be handled by increasing the width of the red rectangle). It is possible to see differences on the left -- if you know what you are looking for! (iow -- might be worthwhile to increase width of red rectangle on left as well) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 149242] "Left paragraph border" -> "Left of paragraph indent" and "Right paragraph border" -> "Right of paragraph indent"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149242 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14 ||8782 --- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze --- Some terminology at bug 148782. The border spoils the broth. In fact whether the paragraph has indentation or border makes no difference. Perhaps we should keep the text simple and show the effect in the thumbnail. As it's the fact now, but there might be room for improvement. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 149242] "Left paragraph border" -> "Left of paragraph indent" and "Right paragraph border" -> "Right of paragraph indent"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149242 sdc.bla...@youmail.dk changed: What|Removed |Added Attachment #180312|0 |1 is obsolete|| --- Comment #1 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk --- Created attachment 180313 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=180313=edit Demonstration of Left Paragraph border and Right Paragraph Border Better demonstration -- notice negative first line indent and positioning of diamonds in presently named "left paragraph border" region. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 149242] "Left paragraph border" -> "Left of paragraph indent" and "Right paragraph border" -> "Right of paragraph indent"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149242 sdc.bla...@youmail.dk changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||needsUXEval Blocks||103270, 103305, 113108, ||108741 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103270 [Bug 103270] [META] Image/Picture dialog bugs and enhancements https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103305 [Bug 103305] [META] Frame dialog bugs and enhancements https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108741 [Bug 108741] [META] Shapes bugs and enhancements https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113108 [Bug 113108] [META] Dialog UI/UX bugs and enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
