[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154080] Comment indicator is too small, non-circumspect, easy to miss
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154080 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||108019 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda |.freedesktop.org|tion.org See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12 ||9847 Keywords|needsUXEval | --- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze --- We discussed the topic in the design meeting. The indicator is easy to spot at 100% but might be a challenge in other zoom levels if the text overflow indicator is spread across the sheet together with comment indicators, both being red. The proposal is to move these two options out of tools > options > calc > view into application colors to allow the specification of other colors than red. MSO uses purple color for comments but has no overflow indicator (content is replaced by #). Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108019 [Bug 108019] [META] Calc UX bugs and enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154080] Comment indicator is too small, non-circumspect, easy to miss
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154080 --- Comment #10 from Eyal Rozenberg --- Created attachment 186294 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=186294=edit Screenshot of calc window with attachment 185851, with 7.6 nightly Situation is somewhat better with a recent 7.6 nightly. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154080] Comment indicator is too small, non-circumspect, easy to miss
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154080 --- Comment #9 from ady --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #7) > (In reply to ady from comment #6) > > 1. Having the possibility to customize the color of the comment indicator. > That's work in progress by Maxim. > > > 2. Having the possibility to display or to hide the comment indicator... > Discussed in bug 153106 > > > 3. Having the possibility to _toggle_ the color, and/or shape... > Sounds like #2 Not exactly. #2 is a setting (for users that might not want the current color for whichever reason, such as giving it more contrast in some way); OTOH this is an independent toggle. ON: the color of the indicator changes. Or the shape. Or the size. Or another attribute of the cell changes, such as the border's color, or the cell... OFF: go back to normal. In any case, please keep in mind that history shows us that at least a minimal surrounding of the indicator must have a different contrasting color (now is something more-or-less whitish with the indicator being "reddish", or so). > > > 4. Having the possibility of automatically "blink" (for several seconds, or > > permanently until set to off). > Requires some trigger Yes, a trigger, or, again, a toggle. ON: start blinking. OFF: back to normal (which could be displayed or hidden, according to its own setting). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154080] Comment indicator is too small, non-circumspect, easy to miss
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154080 --- Comment #8 from Eyal Rozenberg --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #7) > My take: we discussed whether the indicators are too big and agreed now to > keep it and introduce an on/off switch. I suggest to resolve this ticket as > WF/NAB. This bug is about the state of affairs in 7.4 - to clarify how the visibility of the indicator was deficient. It should have been filed right after 56677 - imagine it's from 2015. Now, iuf our compromise scaling suggestion from 153106 is implemented, let's have a look at how the calc sheet at the attachment behaves, and assuming things have improved enough - we can mark this fixed. It will probably not need any work of its own. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154080] Comment indicator is too small, non-circumspect, easy to miss
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154080 --- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to ady from comment #6) > 1. Having the possibility to customize the color of the comment indicator. That's work in progress by Maxim. > 2. Having the possibility to display or to hide the comment indicator... Discussed in bug 153106 > 3. Having the possibility to _toggle_ the color, and/or shape... Sounds like #2 > 4. Having the possibility of automatically "blink" (for several seconds, or > permanently until set to off). Requires some trigger My take: we discussed whether the indicators are too big and agreed now to keep it and introduce an on/off switch. I suggest to resolve this ticket as WF/NAB. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154080] Comment indicator is too small, non-circumspect, easy to miss
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154080 --- Comment #6 from ady --- As of 7.5.x, there are the following statuses: * comment indicator and comments both hidden * comment indicator and comments both displayed * comment indicator displayed, comments hidden * comment indicator hidden, comments displayed Additionally, the comments' background color can be changed. The comments are set to be displayed/hidden in menu View. The comment indicator is set to be displayed/hidden within Options. I could think of some "simple" (from the POV of users) additional settings / options / alternatives to add towards the goal of this RFE: 1. Having the possibility to customize the color of the comment indicator. Different contrasting colors means different visibility. 2. Having the possibility to display or to hide the comment indicator, not just within the Options, but in the menu and/or the toolbar (as comments themselves currently are). To be clear, this would be independent to whether to display or to hide the comments themselves. Being able to toggle "on/off" in sequence helps to notice the presence of a comment indicator. SIDE NOTE: This possibility also helps when the content of a cell is not readable because it clashes with the comment indicator: the user turns it off for a second, reads the content and brings the comment indicator on again. 3. Having the possibility to _toggle_ the color, and/or shape (bigger/smaller) of the comment indicator, also directly in the View menu and View toolbar. Some users might even want to customize a shortcut key combination for this. 4. Having the possibility of automatically "blink" (for several seconds, or permanently until set to off). Generally speaking, just as with signs on the road, you shouldn't have a comment indicator "permanently on your face". You only want it to be noticed for a split of a second. A permanent high-contrast color (for instance) would be as having a flashlight pointing at you. Once you noticed that the comment indicator is there, that's enough attention; more would be a negative consequence, a distraction. A similar idea applies to toggling the size and/or the shape of the comment indicator. Press an icon (or a customized shortcut key combination) and the comment indicator is displayed more prominently than it normally is. Press again and it returns to its normal color and/or smaller shape, so it won't keep bothering during normal work (after the user already noticed it is present). These are similar possibilities comparable to the current possibility of displaying the comments themselves for a split moment, on/off. Except that the comment themselves could potentially bother one another if you have many and closed to each other. Having the comment indicator on/off, or with different color and/or shape being manually changed in rapid succession allows the user to see the contrast between the two statuses, helping in identifying that a comment indicator is present. For that to be effective, it is not enough to have it within the Options; it would need to be (also) in the View menu and View toolbar(s). I guess that the possibility of a customized shortcut is independent of having the comment indicator setting (on/off) available in the menu/toolbar. I haven't checked whether assigning a custom shortcut is already available for this action ATM without changing anything else. As always, the possibility of noticing a certain detail (such as comment indicators) varies according to zoom factor. I am not getting into the matter; I am mentioning it just for the record, so when a user might claim the indicator is not notable enough, a valid possible question or request would be to temporarily change the zoom factor in order to test whether the situation improved. I am not able to read cell's content or see comment indicators when the zoom factor is "too low" (no matter how big the font would be or how prominent the comment indicator would turn out to be), so I assume similar experiences are valid for other users. The forth alternative I suggested, to "blink" (perhaps for a certain limited time), is aimed at a more "automatic" approach, without user intervention. The specific trigger would need discussion. Is it 5 seconds after showing the worksheet the first time after it was opened? Is it a permanent blink until the users shuts it off/down for the session? Would it be "on" the next time a document is opened? Is its status saved within the document?... Having a comment indicator permanently being displayed more prominently is not a good idea, just as having a flashlight pointing at our face while trying to focus on real work. But, if some user has the perception that the comment indicator should be more prominent than it is now, it should be up to that user to be able to set it to some comfortable color / shape / toggling, according to how much prominence it should have for his own context/circumstances. My (educated) guess is
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154080] Comment indicator is too small, non-circumspect, easy to miss
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