[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 156089] When the dialog customizes the Numbering type to "None", it still keeps the prefix/suffix, which need to be removed separately

2023-11-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156089

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |mikekagan...@hotmail.com
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 156089] When the dialog customizes the Numbering type to "None", it still keeps the prefix/suffix, which need to be removed separately

2023-11-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156089

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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   Keywords|needsUXEval |

--- Comment #15 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Justin L from comment #14)
> the meeting's assessment of my opinion was wrong.
Comment 1: => NAB

(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #13)
> I didn't understand Heiko's comment - block what?
To suppress None being a list style (see comment 3)

(In reply to Justin L from comment #12)
> This document really confused me:
> -open changeNumbering1.docx
> -select everything (Ctrl-A) and turn off numbering (F12) or (Ctrl-Shift-F12).
The Heading 1 style has an outline assigned _and_ a list. You remove the list
but keep the outline (as shown in the Style Inspector).

It's in fact awkward that the usual list style off functions don't work as
expected. Pressing the toolbar button has no effect. The "No List" style works
not for multiple paragraphs but for one only. The convenience feature works not
well in this case, obviously.

Mike, what do you think? And I wonder if this is a regression.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 156089] When the dialog customizes the Numbering type to "None", it still keeps the prefix/suffix, which need to be removed separately

2023-11-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156089

--- Comment #14 from Justin L  ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #13)
> Let's quote the design meeting comments supporting this conclusion:
> >   + works like in MSO, WF (Justin)
> Justin has changed his opinion
I think comment 5 and comment 7 show that I never considered this a WF once the
issue was clarified, so the meeting's assessment of my opinion was wrong. I
even provided a patch that solves the problem...

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 156089] When the dialog customizes the Numbering type to "None", it still keeps the prefix/suffix, which need to be removed separately

2023-11-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156089

Eyal Rozenberg  changed:

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 Status|RESOLVED|UNCONFIRMED
 Resolution|NOTABUG |---
   Keywords||needsUXEval
 CC||hoss...@libreoffice.org,
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--- Comment #13 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
I'm returning to this bug after several months, so let me add a bit more info,
plus reply to multiple comments. 

So, first piece of info: We get this undesirable behavior when pressing the
(already-pressed) numbering button on the toolbar. It's one thing not to clear
the Prefix and Suffix values in the dialog - but when the user presses the
already-pressed numbering button, they express a clear intent of wanting to
remove the numbering completely - certainly not to leave behind a suffix and
prefix.

So, it turns out that the prefix and suffix do disappear, if you choose
"Graphic" or "Bullet" for example, accept, then open the dialog again. That
means that we don't strongly hold on to these settings anyway.


(In reply to Justin L from comment #1)
> I assume this document expresses what you are describing.

Only in the sense that it has Heading numbering with a suffix. But the text of
the document doesn't.

(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #11)
> We discussed the topic in the design meeting. Following the comments here we
> agree on the WF/NAB verdict.

Let's quote the design meeting comments supporting this conclusion:

>   + works like in MSO, WF (Justin)
>   + no reason to block, WF (Heiko)
>   + behavior existing for years shouldn't change without
> good reasons (Hossein)
>   + list style is something you shouldn't change multiple times
>   => resolve WF 

Justin has changed his opinion (making it a draw in terms of people involved in
the discussion).

I didn't understand Heiko's comment - block what?

Re Hossein's comment: It's a long-standing bug, which has annoyed users for all
this time, at least in the toolbar button use-case I mentioned above.

Re the last comment: That argument works both ways: If you don't do this a lot,
you shouldn't mind typing in your suffixes or prefixes. Also, we actually do
remove numbering multiple times using the toolbar button (as opposed to
fiddling with list style specifics).


So I am un-resolving. Also, we now have a third possible resolution: Different
behavior when selecting None in the dialog and when pressing the numbering
button on the toolbar. We can have the former maintain and the latter drop the
prefix and suffix.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 156089] When the dialog customizes the Numbering type to "None", it still keeps the prefix/suffix, which need to be removed separately

2023-07-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156089

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda
   |.freedesktop.org|tion.org
 Resolution|--- |NOTABUG
   Keywords|needsUXEval |
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED

--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
We discussed the topic in the design meeting. Following the comments here we
agree on the WF/NAB verdict. Any automatic processing needs a strong
justification and benefit for users. Clearing the before/after entries is not
such.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 156089] When the dialog customizes the Numbering type to "None", it still keeps the prefix/suffix, which need to be removed separately

2023-07-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156089

Justin L  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Summary|When setting the|When the dialog customizes
   |Heading/Outline Numbering   |the Numbering type to
   |for a level to "None",  |"None", it still keeps the
   |still getting separators|prefix/suffix, which need
   ||to be removed separately

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