[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 83830] SIDEBAR: Proposal for the creation of a page tab

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--- Comment #34 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #33)
> Not at all, requirement for the Sidebar Deck's Page related Content Panels
> are to supplement the settings widgets found for all modules on the Page
> Setup/Style dialog -- and as still reached in the Sidebar from the "More
> options" button being added to each content panel.

It is possible that writer's page deck could also be used in calc (of course
with some minor adjustments), but the content panels dont translate for impress
and draw which doesnt have page styles, headers or footers.

> But, adjusting margins in each module is such a frequent requirement, the
> Sidebar GUI needs to be well reasoned and consistent.  Adding a "None/0.00"
> for the dropdown lists of predefined margins is appropriate--having margins
> of 0.00 show as custom, and only set through the "More options", "Page
> setup" or "Page Style" dialogs of various labelings is not consistent UI.

0.00 margins in impress and draw makes sense as presentation slides arent
printed on regular paper and digital drawing dont need margins. But if
consistency is wanted in the margins drop down menu, then I dont have a problem
for it to be included.

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--- Comment #33 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Not at all, requirement for the Sidebar Deck's Page related Content Panels are
to supplement the settings widgets found for all modules on the Page
Setup/Style dialog -- and as still reached in the Sidebar from the "More
options" button being added to each content panel.

We've always had the Writer -> Properties tab:Page content panel--which this
enhancement should be moving to its own tab bar and deck for Writer (and
arguably for the other modules as well).

Most actions have received UNO commands now for work in .ui and Susobhan has
been crafting usefull Content panels -- Writer -> Page tab:Format content panel
for this. And the Draw -> Properties tab:Page content panel to add the
function.

But, adjusting margins in each module is such a frequent requirement, the
Sidebar GUI needs to be well reasoned and consistent.  Adding a "None/0.00" for
the dropdown lists of predefined margins is appropriate--having margins of 0.00
show as custom, and only set through the "More options", "Page setup" or "Page
Style" dialogs of various labelings is not consistent UI.

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--- Comment #31 from V Stuart Foote  ---
@Susobhan, bubli

I like where the "Page" content panel for the Sidebar deck is going.

I hope the droplist widgets can be reduced to sizes more appropriate to their
content. And it  seems like some of the packing for the widgets needs to be
adjusted, as is the widgets are all crowding against the Tab bar.

Also, really would like to make a pitch that one of the margin presets needs to
be "None" with 0.00" margins set on all sides as is done now for Impress
slides.

It is one of the first things folks do in working with Draw--and I would make
the argument that default for Draw should actually also be None/0.00"

Writer size and margin defaults are fine of course. But with removal of the
Margin panel adding a None/0.00" preset becomes more necessary--otherwise you
*have* to open the "More options" dialog just to clear the margin.

Stuart

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--- Comment #30 from Commit Notification 
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Susobhan Ghosh committed a patch related to this issue.
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tdf#83830: Page Header Panel & Page Footer Panel

It will be available in 5.3.0.

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tdf#83830: Moved margin preset control to Format Panel

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--- Comment #28 from Commit Notification 
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Susobhan Ghosh committed a patch related to this issue.
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tdf#83830: Removal of Page Margin Panel

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--- Comment #27 from Commit Notification 
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Susobhan Ghosh committed a patch related to this issue.
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tdf#83830: Change Page Deck Icon and Tooltip

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--- Comment #26 from Commit Notification 
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Susobhan Ghosh committed a patch related to this issue.
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tdf#83830: Page Format Panel

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 83830] SIDEBAR: Proposal for the creation of a page tab

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--- Comment #25 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Some minor UX issues:
* Labels are center aligned but should be right (see also tdf#99104)
* Controls are not properly aligned with a small indentation; striking for
Margin without labels
* All controls should have also a small indentation from the right side
* Header and Footer are not checked by default but enabled
* Footer checkbox doesn't disable the content
* Disabling controls should also affect the associated labels (i.e. margins,
spacing, same content)

Bascially the tab provides access to almost all page settings. But the HIG [1]
says to show only frequently used properties, and to have a one-click
interaction. I admit that the HIG was written after this ticket and users like
Eve may benefit from the ample options. What we (also) need, however, is a
simple settings tab or deck for the ordinary Benjamins. Just to keep this in
mind.

[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/SideBar

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--- Comment #23 from Susobhan Ghosh  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #22)
> (In reply to Commit Notification from comment #20)
> > http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/
> > ?id=2060543586fa01d77ed17fd7904a903313b2251e
> > 
> > tdf#83830: Writer page sidebar deck
> > 
> > It will be available in 5.3.0.
> > 
> Great!  But it doesn't show yet in
> Version: 5.3.0.0.alpha0+ (x64)
> Build ID: e10a4c1cc9f8b2033997c7f032255071aafab9c9
> CPU Threads: 8; OS Version: Windows 6.19; UI Render: default; 
> TinderBox: Win-x86_64@62-TDF, Branch:MASTER, Time: 2016-05-27_00:12:19
> Locale: en-US (en_US)
> 
> To be able to see and test this, think we also need to add a button to the
> Tab bar for the new Page deck content panels. And probably should then
> remove the old Page "content panel" from the Properties deck.

Please enable experimental features to view the new deck. The deck and
constituent panels are currently a stub, nothing more. Two panels are up on
gerrit - 25520 and 25530.

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--- Comment #22 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Commit Notification from comment #20)
> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/
> ?id=2060543586fa01d77ed17fd7904a903313b2251e
> 
> tdf#83830: Writer page sidebar deck
> 
> It will be available in 5.3.0.
> 
Great!  But it doesn't show yet in
Version: 5.3.0.0.alpha0+ (x64)
Build ID: e10a4c1cc9f8b2033997c7f032255071aafab9c9
CPU Threads: 8; OS Version: Windows 6.19; UI Render: default; 
TinderBox: Win-x86_64@62-TDF, Branch:MASTER, Time: 2016-05-27_00:12:19
Locale: en-US (en_US)

To be able to see and test this, think we also need to add a button to the Tab
bar for the new Page deck content panels. And probably should then remove the
old Page "content panel" from the Properties deck.

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--- Comment #21 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #0)
> Created attachment 106236 [details]
> Page Tab Mockup

Looking here for first time. Great and encouraging work :) Rishabh, Bubli, Jay,
* !

One suggestion (not sure if it's already mentioned, so possibly sorry ..):
The string "Numbers" (section Others) maybe can be "Number style". Thus
possibly increasing the change that people understand that they choose a style
and do not set page numbering or so... (to mention a difficult item for the
newcomers).

Ciao,
Cor

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--- Comment #20 from Commit Notification 
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Rishabh Kumar committed a patch related to this issue.
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tdf#83830: Writer page sidebar deck

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--- Comment #19 from Susobhan Ghosh  ---
(In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #16)
> Looking over the last mockup again, these corrections are needed
> 
> Margins:
> 1) spin controls should be removed
> 2) Margin preset combobox should be moved to the Format section with a label
> 
> Header:
> 1) Height label and control should be remove and replaced by the 'Same
> content' label and combobox
> 2) Margin spin controls should be replaced with combobox with preset margins
> 3) Spacing spin control should be replaced with combobox with preset spacing
> 
> It would great if it is possible to add a centered 'Insert Page Number'
> button in the Header section, which would enable the header if not already
> active and add a new paragraph which is centered and add a page number field
> to it.

It'd be best if you could upload a new mockup with the aforementioned changes.
I've already started working on the page tab.

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--- Comment #17 from Juraj Václavík  ---
These suggestions are interesting but I think, that there is a lot of free
space. This panel, by my opinion, is for operative access and it's effectivity
depends on good segmentation and available function scale.

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--- Comment #18 from Juraj Václavík  ---
Sorry, see my suggestion in bug 95731.

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--- Comment #16 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Looking over the last mockup again, these corrections are needed

Margins:
1) spin controls should be removed
2) Margin preset combobox should be moved to the Format section with a label

Header:
1) Height label and control should be remove and replaced by the 'Same content'
label and combobox
2) Margin spin controls should be replaced with combobox with preset margins
3) Spacing spin control should be replaced with combobox with preset spacing

It would great if it is possible to add a centered 'Insert Page Number' button
in the Header section, which would enable the header if not already active and
add a new paragraph which is centered and add a page number field to it.

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--- Comment #15 from Jean-Francois Nifenecker 
jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net ---
(In reply to comment #13)

 I think that is a good idea and you should file a new bug enhancement for it.

Done: see https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84502

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--- Comment #14 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #13)
 This proposed Page Content Panel for the SideBar tray is going to need
 assignment to an object on the Tab bar. Your mockups have yet to show that.
 Assume it is not going to be resident on the Properties Tab--so will need a
 new Tab bar item as well to be able to navigate to it.

Yes it would require a new tab bar icon, which would likely be the icon for
.uno:setdocumentproperties.

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--- Comment #12 from A (Andy) stgohi-lob...@yahoo.de ---
it looks nice

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--- Comment #11 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Created attachment 106594
  -- https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=106594action=edit
Page Tab Mockup - Update 3

I believe that this is the finalized layout mockup that i'll be doing after
listening to feedback from a number of sources. There maybe debate later on
about label/section names, but presently thats not important enough to warrant
additional mockup work.

I look forward to hearing from devs who are interested in making this a
reality.

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--- Comment #2 from Mirek2 maz...@gmail.com ---
Created attachment 106526
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iWork Pages sidebar

(Adding this, since it was the clear inspiration.)

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 83830] SIDEBAR: Proposal for the creation of a page tab

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--- Comment #3 from Mirek2 maz...@gmail.com ---
I'll comment on your second mockup
(https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/attachments/download/211/Proposal-page-2-mod.png),
which I prefer.

I'm sorely missing page styles, which should really be the highlight here. A
button offering to update the page style when it changes (a la styles in Pages:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73071#c17) would be great.

Orientation makes more sense as a button, as it's binary.

I'd prefer Paper Format as a category heading rather than Format. Format
could apply to any of the properties, the Paper part makes it clear what it's
about.

I don't think Others should be a section -- try to organize it. I'd suggest
to put Layout, Columns, and Numbers (called Format under Layout settings in
LibreOffice) under a Layout section. I'm not sure about Background. Is the
background printed with the document, or does it just imply the color of the
paper to print on? If it's the latter, then I'd suggest Paper Format. Then
again, since you didn't include all page properties, I'm thinking Background is
one of the least important items to include. I wouldn't include it, at least
not in Writer.

Lastly, I think designing a one-size-fits-all Page panel is suboptimal (e.g.
not all modules have page styles). I'd suggest to look at each module
individually and propose one for each (keeping the same structure, though).

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 83830] SIDEBAR: Proposal for the creation of a page tab

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--- Comment #4 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Created attachment 106529
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Page Tab Mockup - Update 1

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 83830] SIDEBAR: Proposal for the creation of a page tab

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--- Comment #5 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #2)
 (Adding this, since it was the clear inspiration.)

Yes iWork Pages was the primary inspiration for the mockup.

(In reply to comment #3)
 I'm sorely missing page styles, which should really be the highlight here. A
 button offering to update the page style when it changes (a la styles in
 Pages: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73071#c17) would be
 great.

A page styles drop down isnt needed as a user can easily change the page's
assigned page style in the statusbar and 'styles and formatting' tab. When
users are modifying the data in the page tab, they are modifying the style. :)

 Orientation makes more sense as a button, as it's binary.

Yes it is binary, but it would simply take up 2 lines for no real benefit.

 I'd prefer Paper Format as a category heading rather than Format.
 Format could apply to any of the properties, the Paper part makes it
 clear what it's about.

The heading of the tab is 'Page', so it is to be understood that 'Format' is
'Page Format'.

 I don't think Others should be a section -- try to organize it. I'd
 suggest to put Layout, Columns, and Numbers (called Format under Layout
 settings in LibreOffice) under a Layout section.

'Others' is the temporary label i've gone with the for the time being as
something more useful hasnt popped to mind. 'Layout' isnt suitable as there is
already a Layout entry.

 I'm not sure about
 Background. Is the background printed with the document, or does it just
 imply the color of the paper to print on? If it's the latter, then I'd
 suggest Paper Format. Then again, since you didn't include all page
 properties, I'm thinking Background is one of the least important items to
 include. I wouldn't include it, at least not in Writer.

Background is from the background/area tab in the page style drop down. It is
useful as it is highly used in impress and draw.

 Lastly, I think designing a one-size-fits-all Page panel is suboptimal (e.g.
 not all modules have page styles). I'd suggest to look at each module
 individually and propose one for each (keeping the same structure, though).

There isnt a need to make multiple ones because very little is being changed
between the modules, as can be seen in attachment 106236. I have also removed
header and footer details from the 'Others' section, as it wont be utilized in
impress and draw, so it wont be shown there.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 83830] SIDEBAR: Proposal for the creation of a page tab

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V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 CC||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #1 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
@Jay, *,

Implementing an additional tab in the Tab bar to define a new content panel for
the deck is in line with the Sidebar being a dynamic and flexible UI for
organizing tools--as alternative to toolbars.  

A dedicated Page layout  style content panel for the deck does make sense. 
Would be a good UI/UX enhancement and being implemented in UI SFX2 should be a
fairly simple implementation.

Setting new. Hope a dev will take it on once design can be agreed to.

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