Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Change LibreOffice's behavior of how formatting is applied
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Daniel Mania daniel.ma...@umb.no wrote: Hei hei! Some time ago I filed a bug report (ID 46517) about LibreOffice's subscript/superscript behavior. This report got closed and I would like to discuss it here instead and also expand it to formatting in general. Currently, if the user activates any formatting (e.g. Text bold), the outcome depends on the cursor position: a) If the cursor is inside a word (behind first character and in front of last character), the whole word will be formatted (even though it is unmarked). b) If the cursor is anywhere else, only newly typed characters will be formatted. This is another example of how LibreOffice forces the user to think about the outcome of an action depending on the current situation. And you might know by now that I kind of dislike this. ;-) Now I would like to know if I am a special case, or if we should change the formatting behavior to: After a formatting was invoked, only affect newly typed characters at the cursor position. Of course this only applies if no characters were marked before. bfoman stated that the current behavior is the default in MS Word 2010, but in MS Word 2007, formatting works like I would expect (and proposed) it. An old version of LibreOffice (3.3.4) already shows that behavior and I do not know since when it exists. This might be a big change if it is an ancient way to handle formatting. On the other side it might be something that would not matter to 99.9 % of the users, but changing it would please the remaining 0.1 %. The reasoning behind this behavior is that the user isn't likely to start typing in the middle of a word, and therefore it makes more sense to format the word the cursor is in instead of formatting only the letters typed inside the word. Honestly, I can't think of a use case where the user would want to type inside a word he typed before, but using different formatting from the rest of the word. The current behavior makes it easier to format words -- instead of painstakingly selecting a word, the user can simply click anywhere inside that word to apply some formatting. This may not sound like a huge time-saver, but if one does all his formatting in one go, perhaps to highlight some keywords, it makes things much more efficient. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Change LibreOffice's behavior of how formatting is applied
Your reasoning makes sense and I realize that I might have to live with that :-) In normal writing, you will not encounter any problems with the current formatting behavior. But in scientific writing (biology, chemistry, ...) there are a lot of sub- and superscripts and that can be troublesome. I find myself undoing a formatting, marking a single character and re-applying the formatting on only that character quite often. Also, marking a whole word can be quickly done by double clicking it. So the current behavior is not really a time saver. As I said, your reasoning is sound. And if I am the only one who does not like the current formatting behavior ... Greetings, Daniel M On 7.8.2012 9:58, Mirek M. wrote: The reasoning behind this behavior is that the user isn't likely to start typing in the middle of a word, and therefore it makes more sense to format the word the cursor is in instead of formatting only the letters typed inside the word. Honestly, I can't think of a use case where the user would want to type inside a word he typed before, but using different formatting from the rest of the word. The current behavior makes it easier to format words -- instead of painstakingly selecting a word, the user can simply click anywhere inside that word to apply some formatting. This may not sound like a huge time-saver, but if one does all his formatting in one go, perhaps to highlight some keywords, it makes things much more efficient. On 7.8.2012 9:58, Mirek M. wrote: On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Daniel Mania daniel.ma...@umb.no mailto:daniel.ma...@umb.no wrote: Hei hei! Some time ago I filed a bug report (ID 46517) about LibreOffice's subscript/superscript behavior. This report got closed and I would like to discuss it here instead and also expand it to formatting in general. Currently, if the user activates any formatting (e.g. Text bold), the outcome depends on the cursor position: a) If the cursor is inside a word (behind first character and in front of last character), the whole word will be formatted (even though it is unmarked). b) If the cursor is anywhere else, only newly typed characters will be formatted. This is another example of how LibreOffice forces the user to think about the outcome of an action depending on the current situation. And you might know by now that I kind of dislike this. ;-) Now I would like to know if I am a special case, or if we should change the formatting behavior to: After a formatting was invoked, only affect newly typed characters at the cursor position. Of course this only applies if no characters were marked before. bfoman stated that the current behavior is the default in MS Word 2010, but in MS Word 2007, formatting works like I would expect (and proposed) it. An old version of LibreOffice (3.3.4) already shows that behavior and I do not know since when it exists. This might be a big change if it is an ancient way to handle formatting. On the other side it might be something that would not matter to 99.9 % of the users, but changing it would please the remaining 0.1 %. The reasoning behind this behavior is that the user isn't likely to start typing in the middle of a word, and therefore it makes more sense to format the word the cursor is in instead of formatting only the letters typed inside the word. Honestly, I can't think of a use case where the user would want to type inside a word he typed before, but using different formatting from the rest of the word. The current behavior makes it easier to format words -- instead of painstakingly selecting a word, the user can simply click anywhere inside that word to apply some formatting. This may not sound like a huge time-saver, but if one does all his formatting in one go, perhaps to highlight some keywords, it makes things much more efficient. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] Change LibreOffice's behavior of how formatting is applied
Hei hei! Some time ago I filed a bug report (ID 46517) about LibreOffice's subscript/superscript behavior. This report got closed and I would like to discuss it here instead and also expand it to formatting in general. Currently, if the user activates any formatting (e.g. Text bold), the outcome depends on the cursor position: a) If the cursor is inside a word (behind first character and in front of last character), the whole word will be formatted (even though it is unmarked). b) If the cursor is anywhere else, only newly typed characters will be formatted. This is another example of how LibreOffice forces the user to think about the outcome of an action depending on the current situation. And you might know by now that I kind of dislike this. ;-) Now I would like to know if I am a special case, or if we should change the formatting behavior to: After a formatting was invoked, only affect newly typed characters at the cursor position. Of course this only applies if no characters were marked before. bfoman stated that the current behavior is the default in MS Word 2010, but in MS Word 2007, formatting works like I would expect (and proposed) it. An old version of LibreOffice (3.3.4) already shows that behavior and I do not know since when it exists. This might be a big change if it is an ancient way to handle formatting. On the other side it might be something that would not matter to 99.9 % of the users, but changing it would please the remaining 0.1 %. Greetings, Daniel M ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
