Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look]
Personally I would rather use the menu than these small buttons. But if that's the preferred way for you, I can try and do it. Doesn't sound too complicated, also there are already buttons below the vertical scrollbar. Can you give me Code Pointers to that? Thanks Samuel 2012/11/1 Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 14:02 +0100, Regina Henschel wrote: there is nothing in LO bugzilla but in AOO you will find https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=99284 with a link to http://www.libre-software.net/plea-for-hidden-rulers-in-open-office. For me it would only mean to add one additional setting to all my settings, when starting with a new version. So I have no strong opinion on it. Nice write-up. Samuel - just changing the setting by itself - without making it really easy to re-show the rulers - with a suitable button around the scroll-bar there might be a bit much ? :-) Any chance of implementing a toggle hide/show rulers button ? ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look]
On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 15:51 +0100, Mirek M. wrote: If you think we really need an up-front ruler toggle, how about Hey - you argue convincingly against it IMHO :-) Cluttering the default menus with yet-another strange option is prolly also not such a great plan either. putting it in the Standard toolbar, next to the other View buttons (Navigator, Gallery Data Sources, Non-Printing Characters)? Or, I wonder if we could further overload the backwards 'P' for non-printing characters symbol to enable the ruler as well - but of course, that's crazy talk ;-) As/when we have our advanced config options, having whatever persistent setting for users to enable/disable this sort of thing globally would be good I guess. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look]
Le 01/11/2012 11:32, Michael Meeks a écrit : Hi guys, Thoughts on this ? I guess there are issues around seeing / creating tabs etc. ATB, Michael. Forwarded Message Subject: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look I have submitted a patch for review: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/956 ... Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look This is consistent with Impress. Might need to be discussed with ux-advise Certainly *not* Rulers -- that I don't use to set tab stops or something -- help having a global view of the document. Hiding rulers, hiding the document margins, hiding the non-printable chars are all children of the same kind: hide things to user, things that *are* indeed useful for an intelligent use of the tools. Opposite to what software creators say to ignorants: computing is *not* easy. Computing is *not* intuitive at all. Computing has to be learnt and taught. In this regard, text automation *must* be learnt. I strongly beg the powers-that-be in LibO to understand that hiding things will *not* help users, it will make them more difficult to use the software. We, as a free-software, have a responsibility: make the people understand that, whatever tool they elect, they have to understand it then to learn its use. So I repeat my answer: the rulers must certainly *not* be hidden, neither in Writer nor in Impress. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look]
The patch sets just a different default value, they are still there. Everyone who needs them can still show them via View-Ruler. Just for clarification. Samuel 2012/11/1 Jean-Francois Nifenecker jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net Le 01/11/2012 11:32, Michael Meeks a écrit : Hi guys, Thoughts on this ? I guess there are issues around seeing / creating tabs etc. ATB, Michael. Forwarded Message Subject: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look I have submitted a patch for review: https://gerrit.libreoffice.**org/956https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/956 ... Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look This is consistent with Impress. Might need to be discussed with ux-advise Certainly *not* Rulers -- that I don't use to set tab stops or something -- help having a global view of the document. Hiding rulers, hiding the document margins, hiding the non-printable chars are all children of the same kind: hide things to user, things that *are* indeed useful for an intelligent use of the tools. Opposite to what software creators say to ignorants: computing is *not* easy. Computing is *not* intuitive at all. Computing has to be learnt and taught. In this regard, text automation *must* be learnt. I strongly beg the powers-that-be in LibO to understand that hiding things will *not* help users, it will make them more difficult to use the software. We, as a free-software, have a responsibility: make the people understand that, whatever tool they elect, they have to understand it then to learn its use. So I repeat my answer: the rulers must certainly *not* be hidden, neither in Writer nor in Impress. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux __**_ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.**freedesktop.orgLibreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/**mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-**ux-advisehttp://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look]
Hi all, Michael Meeks schrieb: Hi guys, Thoughts on this ? I guess there are issues around seeing / creating tabs etc. ATB, Michael. Forwarded Message Subject: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look I have submitted a patch for review: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/956 ... Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look This is consistent with Impress. Might need to be discussed with ux-advise there is nothing in LO bugzilla but in AOO you will find https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=99284 with a link to http://www.libre-software.net/plea-for-hidden-rulers-in-open-office. For me it would only mean to add one additional setting to all my settings, when starting with a new version. So I have no strong opinion on it. Kind regards Regina ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look]
On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 14:02 +0100, Regina Henschel wrote: there is nothing in LO bugzilla but in AOO you will find https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=99284 with a link to http://www.libre-software.net/plea-for-hidden-rulers-in-open-office. For me it would only mean to add one additional setting to all my settings, when starting with a new version. So I have no strong opinion on it. Nice write-up. Samuel - just changing the setting by itself - without making it really easy to re-show the rulers - with a suitable button around the scroll-bar there might be a bit much ? :-) Any chance of implementing a toggle hide/show rulers button ? ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
