Re: [LIB] EPR PA2718U for Libby 50/70
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:20:47 -0500 From: Bill Cotton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] EPR PA2718U for Libby 50/70 - Original Message - From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto libretto@basiclink.com Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [LIB] EPR PA2718U for Libby 50/70 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:35:45 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] EPR PA2718U for Libby 50/70 --- Tony Oresteen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For $75 I bought a new SanDisk 1 GB CF card from BH Photo NY. You can copy an entire cd-rom to the CF card and then copy it to the HD in the LIBRETTO without needing to haul an external CD-ROM drive. Use a USB 2.0 CF reader if you can (My home readed is USB 2.0, my work readed is USB 1.1. Big difference!!!) Is that a combination USB 2.0/CF reader all in one? Or is it a USB 2.0 CF reader plugged into a USB 2.0 PC card? I don't know if the former exists, but I'd like one. Matt Hi Libretto I was away a while, the computer with MSN crashed and that was my link to the group. I saved all of the data and email addresses but I couldn't get the e mails going back to 1999 when I posted from the road of my bicycle trip from Philadelphia PA to Weslelly MA using the Libretto to navigate and to send email. However, since the gps have its own maps, I don't use my Libretto on the bicycle anymore http://www.billcotton.com/tripmate.htm I do carry it on very long trips to reload maps. The latest GPS that I own have voice on the bicycle http://www.billcotton.com/gps.htm and enough memory for the northeast states US details maps to load, the basemap of North America is preloaded in the GPS. However, The Quest that I am adapting for my bicycle, only have USB computer inface. I will be getting a PC USB card for my 50T. I like to know which pc/usb card work best for the 50T user on this list. Garmin usb has its own drivers and I have read on the GPS newsgroup, of some cards having problems with usb drivers on computers. I am impress with the HD sizes available that I notice on previous posts. www.billcotton.com
Re: [LIB] EPR PA2718U for Libby 50/70
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:44:51 -0500 From: Anthony Oresteen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] EPR PA2718U for Libby 50/70 It is NOT a reader. It is a regular CF memory card. To use in the Libby I just put it in a PCMCIA adapter and slide it into the PCMACI slot. Mine adapter is a dazzel. Radio Shack others make the adapters as well. Here's Dell's version (Kingston) http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=448471-4cs=19c=usl=en Tony Oresteen KG4SPA 407-469-2818 home 407-256-4215 cell Montverde, FL - Original Message - From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto libretto@basiclink.com Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [LIB] EPR PA2718U for Libby 50/70 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:35:45 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] EPR PA2718U for Libby 50/70 --- Tony Oresteen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For $75 I bought a new SanDisk 1 GB CF card from BH Photo NY. You can copy an entire cd-rom to the CF card and then copy it to the HD in the LIBRETTO without needing to haul an external CD-ROM drive. Use a USB 2.0 CF reader if you can (My home readed is USB 2.0, my work readed is USB 1.1. Big difference!!!) Is that a combination USB 2.0/CF reader all in one? Or is it a USB 2.0 CF reader plugged into a USB 2.0 PC card? I don't know if the former exists, but I'd like one. Matt __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: [LIB] EPR PA2718U for Libby 50/70
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:27:59 -0500 From: Bill Cotton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] EPR PA2718U for Libby 50/70 From: Anthony Oresteen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] EPR PA2718U for Libby 50/70 I have NEVER been able to find a 16 bit PCMCIA to USB adapter. All of the PC to USB have have been 32 bit PC Card. The Libby 50 has a 16 bit PCMCIA slots. I think you are out of luck for getting a USB adapter for the L50. Thanks for the reply.
RE: [LIB] Libretto Batteries - Rebuilding
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:39:00 -0600 From: McClanahan, Eddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Libretto Batteries - Rebuilding Here is a little more information about rebuilding the battery pack. I examined the circuit and got information about its function from several vendors of batteries - The circuit is there to optimize the power pack (battery) output during it expected life time range. The circuit monitors the total charge cycles, duration, discharge rate, and temperature of the batteries plus calculates the expected cycle usage time. The calculation parameters are given by the manufacture of the batteries. The cycle usage time is the data is supplied to the computer. In early battery packs when the circuit calculated the batteries were exceeding the optimized cycle usage and the circuit reported a very low usage time plus would automatically shut down the computer even though you could measure the battery output with load and see the batteries were good. To reset the battery required disconnecting the circuit, waiting 5 minutes and reconnecting the circuit and it indicate 100% user time. Note there is one or two cell directly connected to the monitoring circuit. Now, if you check closely, the battery monitoring circuit has a crystal device which mean a clock and a memory chip which mean the circuit does not reset when disconnected. Additionally if the battery manufacture and the manufacture of the computer are friends both have the possibility to communicate the cycle and charge frequencies of the battery, so just replacing the dead cells may not bring the bat pack back to life for the computer. Ever notice the ID of the battery pack indicated in the control panel? Reg- McClanahan -Original Message- From: Matt Hanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:21 AM To: Libretto Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto Batteries - Rebuilding Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:20:00 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto Batteries - Rebuilding --- John Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking about buying lithium cells of the same dimension and capacity (ideally even the same make and model), unsoldering the bad cells, and rebuilding the pack. Has anyone done this? Are there any special tricks? A few people have had success rebuilding their battery packs. You do have to be very careful to get everything reassembled exactly without damaging the ciruit board, mis-wiring things, or making any other errors. LiIon batteries not installed correctly can explode and make an average day turn into a nightmware. It'd be smart to plug the rebuilt battery pack into a Libby battery charger, put the charger on one side or a wall, and run the cord around to the other side before plugging it in and testing to see if the rebuild went well. With that warning though, you can get replacement cells from Sabah Oceanic: http://sabahoceanic.com You'd want the Panasonic CGR17670HG cells. Plug that part number into Sabah's search engine and you'll find them at $7.40USD each. Nice thing is that they're 1500mah instead of the original 1200mah cells, so they're power the Libbys a bit longer. The original cells were 17mm by 67mm, and those CGR17670HGs are a hair shorter, so they'll fit fine. There are also 18mm wide Panasonic cells that a couple people squeezed in by hacking off the sides of the battery pack shell. They are higher capacity, but the finished rebuild looks like hell. Not a huge problem those I guess, as I think only the top and back sides get hacked off. Once in the Libby, I don't think it looks normal. Sabah will also weld soldering tabs onto to the cells for free. They do that overseas, so I guess they aren't subject to suits that could develop if they were providing the cells from here in the USA. In fact they say they'll weld cells to any spec they're provided with. I was wondering if I could send them the dismantled battery pack, and have them attach the whole circuit board onto the new cells for me. You could also get one of the extended battery packs for the 50/70s off EBay that go for a lost less than the ones for the 100/110s, and then just swap the contents. That worked fine for me. I had one of those for my 70CT. Dropping it's guts in the 110 pack works fine, and has for everyone I've heard from that's done this. I just never bothered to glue the 2 halves of the pack together, as I'd like to go the Sabah route myself at some point. And the pack stays together quite nicely after it's plugged into the Libby. I see that I can buy a new pack for around $100, but I'm a bit skeptical - not sure how I avoid getting a used pack for my $100. I also found some places that commercially rebuild battery packs. What do you think about these alternatives? As I pointed out, everyone I've written has had success just buying a 50/70 pack on EBay, and swapping. Someone complained that you never know what thecondition
Re: [LIB] Charging problem on 50ct Error code
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:11:25 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Charging problem on 50ct Error code --- Jürgen Schöll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to believe this, but is there anyone, who could confirm this by translating the error code? Well... from what I can figure out from the service manual, that sequence of blinks should indicate a battery pack problem where the, Battery voltage is over the limit. To determine the error code, the sequences have to be converted from binary to hex. It seems your series of blinks would calculate to 10h. Though I'm not up on the very technical aspects of things. Neil just posted the URL to his copy of the 50/70 manual here: http://www.nbarnes.easynet.co.uk/libretto/li50_70ct.pdf So have a look in there. Here's what I copied from the pertinent section: == 2.3 Power Supply Troubleshooting The power supply controls many functions and components. To determine if the power supply is functioning properly, start with Procedure 1 and continue with the other Procedures as instructed. The procedures described in this section are: Procedure 1: Power Status Check Procedure 2: Error Code Check Procedure 3: Connection Check Procedure 4: Replacement Check Procedure 1 Power Status Check The following icons indicate the power supply status: q Battery icon q DC IN icon The power supply controller displays the power supply status through the Battery and the DC IN icons as shown in the tables below. Table 2-1 Battery icon == Battery icon Power supply status === Lights orange Quick charge *1 Lights green Battery has a full charge and the AC adapter is connected Blinks orange The battery level becomes low while operating the computer on (even intervals) battery power*2 Doesnt light Any condition other than those above. If the battery becomes too hot charging will stop and the battery icon will go out even if the AC adapter is connected *1 One of two battery levels becomes low. *2 AutoResume Off will be executed soon. Table 2-2 DC IN icon DC IN iconPower supply status ===== Lights green DC power is being supplied from the AC adapter Blinks orange Power supply malfunction*3 Blinks green Stand-by state Doesnt light Any condition other than those above *3 When the power supply controller detects a malfunction, the DC IN icon blinks and an error code is displayed. To check the power supply status, install a battery pack and connect an AC adapter. Check 1 If the DC IN icon flashes orange, go to Procedure 2. Check 2 If the DC IN icon does not light, go to Procedure 3. Check 3 If the Battery icon does not light orange or green, go to Procedure 4. CAUTION: Use only an AC adapter that is manufactured specifically for the Libretto 50CT/70CT. If you use a different AC adapter, the computers power supply may malfunction or a fuse on the system board may be blown. Procedure 2 Error Code Check If the microprocessor detects a malfunction, the DC IN icon blinks orange. The blink pattern indicates an error as shown below. [X] Start Off for 2 seconds [X] Error code (8 bit) 1: On for one second 0: On for half second Interval between data bits: Off for half second Error codes begin with the least significant digit. For example: Error code 12h (Error codes are given in hexadecimal) Read-- On: --||-| |--| |-| |-| |--|_|-|_|-|_|-| Off: ||0|_|1 |_|0|_|0|_|1 |_|0|_|0|_|0|___ Start^ -Order--- Bit 0 12 3 45 6 7 [X][X] Check 1 Convert the DC IN icon blink pattern into the hexadecimal error code and compare it to the tables below. [X] DC power supplied through AC adapter == Error code Meaning == === 01h AC adapter voltage is over the limit (16.5 V) [X] Battery pack Error code Meaning == === 10hBattery voltage is over the limit 11hBattery charge current is over the limit 12hBattery discharge current is over the maximum allowed limit when there is no load 13hBattery voltage is under the limit [X] B5V,VCC output == Error code Meaning == === 20hVCC voltage is over the limit 21hVCC voltage is under the limit 22hVCC does not start up when power supply is turned on [X] B3V output == Error code Meaning == === 30hB3V voltage is over the limit 31hB3V voltage is under the limit 33hB3V does not start up when the power
Re: [LIB] EPR PA2718U for Libby 50/70
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:16:16 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] EPR PA2718U for Libby 50/70 --- Bill Cotton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be getting a PC USB card for my 50T. I like to know which pc/usb card work best for the 50T user on this list. USB on the 50/70s is a no-go. USB needs a cardbus slot the 50/70s don't have. Only the 100/110 models have cardbus slots to support USB. Sorry 'bout that Bill. Good to hear from you again though. Still peddling your way across the countryside? Matt __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] CF Card Libretto
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:21:36 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CF Card Libretto --- Anthony Oresteen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:33:10 -0500 From: Anthony Oresteen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CF Card Libretto Everything is fine! I think it is was CF to PCMCIA adapter. I changed to a Dazzel adapter from a SANDISK and it is fine. All my CF cards work fine. I loaned the SANDISK adapter out; when I get it back I'll retest. Aaaccc Sounds to me like a Sandisk attack again :-/ Let us know what happens when you re-test things with the Sandisk adapter. You just may find the Sansdisk adapter wasn't the problem now that I think about it. There are no components inside those CF adapters but a circuit board that only connects the pins on the Lib's PCMCIA slot to the sockets in the CF card. Basically just a bunch of wires. Could Sandisk really mess up something that simple?? Matt __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] EPR PA2718U for Libby 50/70
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:34:31 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] EPR PA2718U for Libby 50/70 --- Anthony Oresteen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is NOT a reader. It is a regular CF memory card. To use in the Libby I just put it in a PCMCIA adapter and slide it into the PCMACI slot. Mine adapter is a dazzel. Radio Shack others make the adapters as well. Here's Dell's version (Kingston) http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=448471-4cs=19c=usl=en Guess I didn't read your post correctly Tony. When you mentioned USB 2.0, I thought you meant you were using USB 2.0 to transfer files to and from the CF card. Transferring 1GB worth of data via USV 2.0 goes at 4-5 times the speed of the slower PCMCIA CF card adapter method. I got a USB 2.0 card, and then a USB 2.0 multi-memory card reader a while back. But it would be nice if there was a product that combined the 2 in 1, and have something like the common PCMCIA CF adapter, but with the faster USB 2.0 support. Matt --- Tony Oresteen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For $75 I bought a new SanDisk 1 GB CF card from BH Photo NY. You can copy an entire cd-rom to the CF card and then copy it to the HD in the LIBRETTO without needing to haul an external CD-ROM drive. Use a USB 2.0 CF reader if you can (My home readed is USB 2.0, my work readed is USB 1.1. Big difference!!!) Is that a combination USB 2.0/CF reader all in one? Or is it a USB 2.0 CF reader plugged into a USB 2.0 PC card? I don't know if the former exists, but I'd like one. Matt __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: [LIB] 70CT battery drain
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:48:02 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 70CT battery drain --- Nick Banks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 70CT seems to drain the battery when it is turned off. It only takes a day or two and it is fully flat. If I leave the battery disconnected then it holds a charge fine. Anyone have any idea what might be wrong? Well... either a dying battery pack or bad charging circuit in the Libretto. Did you leave the AC power adapter disconnected for those couple of days? Try charging it up, removing it from the Libretto for a couple days, and then putting it back in the Lib. If it's dead at that point, it's most likely a dying battery. Matt __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: [LIB] EPR PA2718U for Libby 50/70
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:32:11 -0500 From: Bill Cotton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] EPR PA2718U for Libby 50/70 - Original Message - From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto libretto@basiclink.com Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [LIB] EPR PA2718U for Libby 50/70 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:16:16 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] EPR PA2718U for Libby 50/70 --- Bill Cotton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be getting a PC USB card for my 50T. I like to know which pc/usb card work best for the 50T user on this list. USB on the 50/70s is a no-go. USB needs a cardbus slot the 50/70s don't have. Only the 100/110 models have cardbus slots to support USB. Sorry 'bout that Bill. Good to hear from you again though. Still peddling your way across the countryside? Matt Yes but not the big one yet, coast to coast. Maybe when I get to do it, I will get one of the made in Japan model for its size. My goal for 2005 is to bicycle a 100 mile ride at least once each month. 2004 I rode 13 centuries. I plan to ride one Saturday. www.billcotton.com
RE: [LIB] Libretto Batteries - Rebuilding
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:38:35 -0600 From: John Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Libretto Batteries - Rebuilding That is very interesting. I did some reading about the Smart Battery standard used in most notebook batteries and concluded that my Lib's battery is so smart that it must have committed suicide from boredom during the year that the Lib sat in the closet. Anyway, I bought a PA2503UR hi-cap battery from eBay for $54 and will use that to confirm that the DC power circuit of my Lib is actually working. Then I'll try rebuilding the old batteries. Listen for the BOOM. 9. RE: [LIB] Libretto Batteries - Rebuilding Here is a little more information about rebuilding the battery pack. I examined the circuit and got information about its function from several vendors of batteries - The circuit is there to optimize the power pack (battery) output during it expected life time range. The circuit monitors the total charge cycles, duration, discharge rate, and temperature of the batteries plus calculates the expected cycle usage time. The calculation parameters are given by the manufacture of the batteries. The cycle usage time is the data is supplied to the computer. In early battery packs when the circuit calculated the batteries were exceeding the optimized cycle usage and the circuit reported a very low usage time plus would automatically shut down the computer even though you could measure the battery output with load and see the batteries were good. To reset the battery required disconnecting the circuit, waiting 5 minutes and reconnecting the circuit and it indicate 100% user time. Note there is one or two cell directly connected to the monitoring circuit. Now, if you check closely, the battery monitoring circuit has a crystal device which mean a clock and a memory chip which mean the circuit does not reset when disconnected. Additionally if the battery manufacture and the manufacture of the computer are friends both have the possibility to communicate the cycle and charge frequencies of the battery, so just replacing the dead cells may not bring the bat pack back to life for the computer. Ever notice the ID of the battery pack indicated in the control panel? Reg- McClanahan
[LIB] Information On Libretto L1/L2?
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:58:44 -0600 From: John Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Information On Libretto L1/L2? I am getting interested in a Libretto L1 or L2, which are becoming affordable. I realize they are considerably larger than my L100, and thus will be used for different things. In my case, if I got a L1/L2 I'd make it my work laptop, so it would be used for 2MB Excel models, light Word, Outlook w/ big attachments, and some applications using Citrix, typically via wireless LAN card. The L100 would stay my personal take-to-the-coffee-shop machine. Can I ask for some info on these later Librettos . . . 1. General reactions to them? 2. Compare to other, similarly sized subnotes, e.g. Sony PictureBook Vaio C1? Or to the L3/L5 if that's the competition? 3. How powerful or not powerful is a 600MHz Crusoe, anyway?I'm not positive if the L1/L2 maxes at 256 or 384MB RAM. 4. Are they hard to do clean OS installs and run Win XP on? I'm trying to read through the L1 Yahoo Group board, and keep coming across lots of can't boot from XYZ device and where's the BIOS and help I need ABC driver messages. 5. Other sources of information? I haven't found nearly as much online information, discussion, or sellers of batteries etc for the L1/L2 as for the L50-L110 range.
