RE: [LIB] Libretto 70CT - mp3 player choppy / memory usage / which windows components
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:43:09 +0100 From: Jon DuQueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Libretto 70CT - mp3 player choppy / memory usage / which windows components Maybe it's some unnecessary windows component using up memory? I selected typical install not laptop/portable, I wanted a bunch of stuff that wasn't in laptop default components. When I was installing it looked like the laptop/portable option was just to save disk space not CPU memory? I'll have a play with it later. Think I saw some XP style task / memory manager (some Russian app?) online somewhere? might show what processes are using the memory up. You didn't mention anything about sound in DOS for Doom. Did that in fact work for you? Yes doom 2 worked fine without any sound driver, although I've had the sound die a couple of times mid game. I just copied the folder straight from backup of an old machine. Maybe it was because the sound config was already setup for my old machine and worked the same? Or doom 2 uses updated sound component? You're looking at those settings in the Toshiba 'Power Saving Properties'... right? Yes Is that with no apps running? I'm not quite sure what you've got System Monitor set to, but with 'Add Item Kernal Processor Usage (%)' set on my 70, and nothing running. I'm getting a green line that is maxed at 100%. It seems to stay there when I run apps too. I don't see a setting in SM specifically for idle CPU usage. Yes 'Add Item Kernal Processor Usage (%)', Just checked again still only 10% when idle (just a bumpy red line along the bottom on mine). 'Memory Manager-Allocated Memory' is 36.6MB, 'Swapfile in use' is 0 MB and 'unused physical memory' is 2.6MB ish. Strange that yours reads 100%, maybe some background app eating up spare CPU cycles. With nothing running, SM shows about 5Mb unused physical memory on my 70. I'll admit, I'm not sure what that represents. When I open Eudora, that drops to near zero. Starting Winamp, it stays at zero. But closing Winamp causes it to pop up to 3.7Mb. Then closing Eudora pushes it up to 8.8Mb. When computer runs out of physical memory it starts using the 'swapfile' (virtual memory on the hard drive) which is much slower. Looks like I may have some extra windows components eating up some memory, don't think they all show in crappy 98 task manager. How may colours do you run windows in, I'm currently using 16 bit in windows and 222K in bios. Jon D -Original Message- From: Matthew Hanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 October 2005 04:01 To: Libretto Subject: RE: [LIB] Libretto 70CT - mp3 player Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:59:32 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Libretto 70CT - mp3 player From: Jon DuQueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got 32MB RAM and I'm trying to play 192kbps mp3's. Windows media player 6 maxes out the CPU with 4.8MB unused physical memory and sounds very choppy. Win 5.x wouldn't play mp3's. I tried Windows media player 9 but it was hopeless. Winamp 2.8 just about plays ok with 75% CPU and maxed out physical memory. VLC media player is just as bad as Windows media player 6. I have tried killing everything in task manager but doesn't make any difference, not much running anyway since it's a new install. Wow I'm stumped now. I've read posts from people having similar problems with their Libbys and have never understood it. Why should one 70CT system loaded with W98SE play audio fine, and another not?? You didn't mention anything about sound in DOS for Doom. Did that in fact work for you? I checked Toshiba power save and processor is set to full speed. You're looking at those settings in the Toshiba 'Power Saving Properties'... right? Idle CPU 10% and unused physical Memory 2.4Mb (using system monitor). Is this normal performance for a 70CT? Is that with no apps running? I'm not quite sure what you've got System Monitor set to, but with 'Add Item Kernal Processor Usage (%)' set on my 70, and nothing running. I'm getting a green line that is maxed at 100%. It seems to stay there when I run apps too. I don't see a setting in SM specifically for idle CPU usage. With nothing running, SM shows about 5Mb unused physical memory on my 70. I'll admit, I'm not sure what that represents. When I open Eudora, that drops to near zero. Starting Winamp, it stays at zero. But closing Winamp causes it to pop up to 3.7Mb. Then closing Eudora pushes it up to 8.8Mb. I'll confess again that I'm not one of the more technically informed people on the Lib list here. Philip, David, Raymond and a number of other regulars are a lot better at this stuff than I. And I'm really not quite sure what all you're looking at there. Anyone else see something that's not clicking for me here? is there anything I can do to improve mp3 playback? Could any bios settings be having an affect on performance. No... there's nothing BIOS can help with to my knowledge. Tried playing an mpeg
RE: [LIB] Libretto 70CT - mp3 player choppy / memory usage / which windows components
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:03:44 +0100 From: Chris Hogan \(social\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Libretto 70CT - mp3 player choppy / memory usage / which windows components Some general Win98 trimming might help, from memory I usually delete the disk compression files so they don't load (think one's DRVSPACE.BIN, can't remember the other) and there's two ways of removing Explorer etc if you're happy to use Eudora and Firefox. One is Win98lite http://www.litepc.com/98lite.html the other is Revenge of Mozilla which I found easier and less fuss, but you need to have a Win95 distribution lying around to replace some of the files. Unfortunately RoM2 is no longer supported or developed but the files are here http://snoopy81.ifrance.com/rom2.htm Of course you may then have to stick some of the binaries back in to get MP3's playing again, but RoM2 certainly speeded my Lib up a hell of a lot. Chris -Original Message- From: Jon DuQueno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 October 2005 08:43 To: Libretto Subject: RE: [LIB] Libretto 70CT - mp3 player choppy / memory usage / which windows components Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:43:09 +0100 From: Jon DuQueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Libretto 70CT - mp3 player choppy / memory usage / which windows components Maybe it's some unnecessary windows component using up memory? I selected typical install not laptop/portable, I wanted a bunch of stuff that wasn't in laptop default components. When I was installing it looked like the laptop/portable option was just to save disk space not CPU memory? I'll have a play with it later. Think I saw some XP style task / memory manager (some Russian app?) online somewhere? might show what processes are using the memory up. You didn't mention anything about sound in DOS for Doom. Did that in fact work for you? Yes doom 2 worked fine without any sound driver, although I've had the sound die a couple of times mid game. I just copied the folder straight from backup of an old machine. Maybe it was because the sound config was already setup for my old machine and worked the same? Or doom 2 uses updated sound component? You're looking at those settings in the Toshiba 'Power Saving Properties'... right? Yes Is that with no apps running? I'm not quite sure what you've got System Monitor set to, but with 'Add Item Kernal Processor Usage (%)' set on my 70, and nothing running. I'm getting a green line that is maxed at 100%. It seems to stay there when I run apps too. I don't see a setting in SM specifically for idle CPU usage. Yes 'Add Item Kernal Processor Usage (%)', Just checked again still only 10% when idle (just a bumpy red line along the bottom on mine). 'Memory Manager-Allocated Memory' is 36.6MB, 'Swapfile in use' is 0 MB and 'unused physical memory' is 2.6MB ish. Strange that yours reads 100%, maybe some background app eating up spare CPU cycles. With nothing running, SM shows about 5Mb unused physical memory on my 70. I'll admit, I'm not sure what that represents. When I open Eudora, that drops to near zero. Starting Winamp, it stays at zero. But closing Winamp causes it to pop up to 3.7Mb. Then closing Eudora pushes it up to 8.8Mb. When computer runs out of physical memory it starts using the 'swapfile' (virtual memory on the hard drive) which is much slower. Looks like I may have some extra windows components eating up some memory, don't think they all show in crappy 98 task manager. How may colours do you run windows in, I'm currently using 16 bit in windows and 222K in bios. Jon D -Original Message- From: Matthew Hanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 October 2005 04:01 To: Libretto Subject: RE: [LIB] Libretto 70CT - mp3 player Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:59:32 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Libretto 70CT - mp3 player From: Jon DuQueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got 32MB RAM and I'm trying to play 192kbps mp3's. Windows media player 6 maxes out the CPU with 4.8MB unused physical memory and sounds very choppy. Win 5.x wouldn't play mp3's. I tried Windows media player 9 but it was hopeless. Winamp 2.8 just about plays ok with 75% CPU and maxed out physical memory. VLC media player is just as bad as Windows media player 6. I have tried killing everything in task manager but doesn't make any difference, not much running anyway since it's a new install. Wow I'm stumped now. I've read posts from people having similar problems with their Libbys and have never understood it. Why should one 70CT system loaded with W98SE play audio fine, and another not?? You didn't mention anything about sound in DOS for Doom. Did that in fact work for you? I checked Toshiba power save and processor is set to full speed. You're looking at those settings in the Toshiba 'Power Saving Properties'... right? Idle CPU 10% and unused physical Memory 2.4Mb (using system monitor). Is this normal performance for a 70CT? Is that with no apps running? I'm
