Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:45:41 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Digby Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool I know this doesn't help you *now* but may I recommend to you and others that you use different email addresses for every place thats likely to be picked up by spammers (easiest done by registering a domain then having random something here@yourdomain ... yes it costs money but then so do most decent email services now, besides think about the amount of time you waste to spam anyway ... that's why the address I use for this list looks a bit weird for instance) ... that way at least you know where they picked your email address from (so you can take action) and you can disable that account (or even better, get it to redirect back to the spammers ;-) Actually I do do that to some extent. I use a forwarding service to forward mail to a login account on my ISPs machine, which in turn forwards it to a pop3 mailbox which my home machine polls on connecting to the net. So I should expect most spam to come via the same route if my address were harvested from my net activity. Or alternatively try to route straight back to my machine if they ignore the Reply-To line. But 80% of the spam goes to the un-published and un-used (except by the forwarding service) ISP addresses. This could imply the forwarders list was compromised, but I also get spam direct to my pop3 account, which is only referenced in the .forward on my IPS login account, so that suggests someone is getting lists from ISPs Most people seem to think setting up filters is the best way to handle spammers, but that seems a bit irresponsible to me, as having all the knowlegeable users hiding behind filters just leaves the nieve net users at the mercy of the crooks. I guess you could say that but you could also extend this to saying that putting a burglar alarm on your house is irresponsible because it encourages burglars to ignore your house and go for your neighbor. Now that filters are so easy to set, filtering email clients so widely used and that most ISPs have tutorials on the subject I think we could use filters with a clear conscience ;-) I don't think it is purely a knowledge/expertise issue. For those of us on a dial up line that have to pay for connect time or amounts of data transferred, there is no advantage in filtering out the spam once it gets on our machines - we have already paid for the transfer by then. And what is particularly annoying is the fact that while the proportion of spam vs real mail is about 50/50, the spam messages are typically about 10 times larger because they are filled with all the HTML dross that so appeals to advertisers.. If I had an ADSL connection at home, this would not be such a problem, but it would still irk me that so much of the nets bandwidth was being soaked up by these bozos, and if nobody bothers to report the open relays, there will be nothing to keep the bad guys in check.. As far a burglar alarms are concerned, I take your point, but I have always felt that it is better to use a silent alarm designed to catch the thief than simply trying to look like a less appealing target than your neighbour. Of course if I could get away with it, I would go for the bear trap style of anti-burglary devices... Besides, I think a better analogy would be putting in soundproofing so you don't get disturbed by the screams of people being mugged outside. Those that can setup filters are not in any danger of being taken in by any of the scams - for them it is just an annoyance. What I find incomprehensible is the pre-occupation of the authorities with censoring the net to stop people having access to things that it is demeed they shouldn't have access to, but there is no concern about predators that actively practice fraud and deception. I sometimes think it would be worth buying one of these email lists that are constantly being advertised (obviously with my name on the list, so that more people can spam me...), and using it to send details of the spammer to everyone on the list. Given that the premise of spam is that if you send a scam message to a large enough group of people, even a small percentage of suckers out there to make you some serious money - I think I could similarly count on the small percentage that are homicidal psychotics so that the spammer would make Osama Binladen look like a good insurance risk Good idea but the problem is many spammers spoof their email addresses (I've had that happen before when trying to report them myself) ... you end up taking action against someone who had nothing to do with the spam and THAT can get you into an awful lot of trouble. If what I hear is correct, companies have been sued after retaliatory hack attacks that ended up at the wrong place because of spoofing for instance. Absolutely - that is why the purchase would be necessary. The e-mail address is useless
Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 07:54:42 + From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:30:21 -0700 From: Daniel Seiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool Hello Not sure where that came from as I did not send it.. Checked my machine and it did not come from here.. I will have to keep an eye on this. Dan Hmmm. Not related, I'm sure, but some pondscum is forging my easynet address as the from/reply to spam at present - I'm only seeing this when it gets bounced back to me. Grrr. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 07:54:43 + From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:30:21 -0700 From: Daniel Seiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool Hello Not sure where that came from as I did not send it.. Checked my machine and it did not come from here.. I will have to keep an eye on this. Dan Hmmm. Not related, I'm sure, but some pondscum is forging my easynet address as the from/reply to spam at present - I'm only seeing this when it gets bounced back to me. Grrr. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 05:09:53 -0700 From: Clarence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool You know, for things like this, I'm a big propponent of finding the culprit and publicly flogging them, then taking all of their computer equipment. sorry, this is one of my sore spots. -Clarence The Mechanic Harper Serving the Scarducci Family Since 1881 -- Original Message -- From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:59:23 -0700 Hmmm. Not related, I'm sure, but some pondscum is forging my easynet address as the from/reply to spam at present - I'm only seeing this when it gets bounced back to me. Grrr. _ Get your own evilemail.com address at http://www.evilemail.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:09:28 + From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 05:09:53 -0700 From: Clarence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool You know, for things like this, I'm a big propponent of finding the culprit and publicly flogging them, then taking all of their computer equipment. sorry, this is one of my sore spots. Ah, I had something a little less extreme - maybe bastinado while suspended in shark-infested water? -- Original Message -- From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:59:23 -0700 Hmmm. Not related, I'm sure, but some pondscum is forging my easynet address as the from/reply to spam at present - I'm only seeing this when it gets bounced back to me. Grrr. _ Get your own evilemail.com address at http://www.evilemail.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:30:49 -0400 From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool Not sure where that came from as I did not send it.. Checked my machine and it did not come from here.. I will have to keep an eye on this. It's the famous Klez virus Thanks Pres Waterman W2PW c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. Long Island Ford and Kia dealer GO BILLS! ©¿© ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:27:07 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Digby Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool My address has been misappropriated by the same sort of 'pondscum' of late, which I must say annoys me even more than the scum that keep filling my mailbox with garbage. I thought perhaps it might be because I try to be conscientious about reporting spammers to their ISPs and administrators of sites being used to relay spam - no doubt some of the reports end up in the hands of the spammers themselves, so I thought it might be an attempt at revenge by some of them. Most people seem to think setting up filters is the best way to handle spammers, but that seems a bit irresponsible to me, as having all the knowlegeable users hiding behind filters just leaves the nieve net users at the mercy of the crooks. I sometimes think it would be worth buying one of these email lists that are constantly being advertised (obviously with my name on the list, so that more people can spam me...), and using it to send details of the spammer to everyone on the list. Given that the premise of spam is that if you send a scam message to a large enough group of people, even a small percentage of suckers out there to make you some serious money - I think I could similarly count on the small percentage that are homicidal psychotics so that the spammer would make Osama Binladen look like a good insurance risk Plus it would be the perfect crime for whoever did it. Can you imagine the poor homicide detectice being handed the list of people with a motive... Regards, DigbyT neil barnes: You know, for things like this, I'm a big propponent of finding the culprit and publicly flogging them, then taking all of their computer equipment. sorry, this is one of my sore spots. Ah, I had something a little less extreme - maybe bastinado while suspended in shark-infested water? -- Digby R. S. Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:35:13 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool At 02:18 AM 7/18/2002 -0700, Clarence wrote: Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 05:09:53 -0700 From: Clarence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool You know, for things like this, I'm a big propponent of finding the culprit and publicly flogging them, then taking all of their computer equipment. Flog them WITH their computer equipment. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 07:24:48 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool At 12:33 PM 18/07/2002 -0700, you wrote: Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:27:07 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Digby Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool My address has been misappropriated by the same sort of 'pondscum' of late, which I must say annoys me even more than the scum that keep filling my mailbox with garbage. I know this doesn't help you *now* but may I recommend to you and others that you use different email addresses for every place thats likely to be picked up by spammers (easiest done by registering a domain then having random something here@yourdomain ... yes it costs money but then so do most decent email services now, besides think about the amount of time you waste to spam anyway ... that's why the address I use for this list looks a bit weird for instance) ... that way at least you know where they picked your email address from (so you can take action) and you can disable that account (or even better, get it to redirect back to the spammers ;-) I thought perhaps it might be because I try to be conscientious about reporting spammers to their ISPs and administrators of sites being used to relay spam - no doubt some of the reports end up in the hands of the spammers themselves, so I thought it might be an attempt at revenge by some of them. Thats very possible. Not unheard of at all. Most people seem to think setting up filters is the best way to handle spammers, but that seems a bit irresponsible to me, as having all the knowlegeable users hiding behind filters just leaves the nieve net users at the mercy of the crooks. I guess you could say that but you could also extend this to saying that putting a burglar alarm on your house is irresponsible because it encourages burglars to ignore your house and go for your neighbor. Now that filters are so easy to set, filtering email clients so widely used and that most ISPs have tutorials on the subject I think we could use filters with a clear conscience ;-) I sometimes think it would be worth buying one of these email lists that are constantly being advertised (obviously with my name on the list, so that more people can spam me...), and using it to send details of the spammer to everyone on the list. Given that the premise of spam is that if you send a scam message to a large enough group of people, even a small percentage of suckers out there to make you some serious money - I think I could similarly count on the small percentage that are homicidal psychotics so that the spammer would make Osama Binladen look like a good insurance risk Good idea but the problem is many spammers spoof their email addresses (I've had that happen before when trying to report them myself) ... you end up taking action against someone who had nothing to do with the spam and THAT can get you into an awful lot of trouble. If what I hear is correct, companies have been sued after retaliatory hack attacks that ended up at the wrong place because of spoofing for instance. Plus it would be the perfect crime for whoever did it. Can you imagine the poor homicide detectice being handed the list of people with a motive... *grins* ... *sigh* if only it were possible ;-) - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | Libretto IRC channel #Libretto on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:30:21 -0700 From: Daniel Seiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: [LIB] A special powful tool Hello Not sure where that came from as I did not send it.. Checked my machine and it did not come from here.. I will have to keep an eye on this. Dan AM Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:17:47 +0100 AM From: Alan Middleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] AM Subject: Re: [LIB] A special powful tool AM Great, has someone started spoofing headers? or is there AM something you want to share before the party guests arrive... AM Thursday, July 18, 2002, 12:13:11 AM, you wrote: d Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:06:05 -0400 d From: daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] d Subject: A special powful tool d HTMLHEAD/HEADBODY d FONTThis is a special powful toolbr d I hope you would like it./FONT/BODY/HTML d ** d http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list d http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives d ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- d Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be d addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text d on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe d TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- d Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest d ** AM ** A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any other invention in human history, with the possible exception of handguns and tequila. AM ** AM http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list AM http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives AM ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- AM Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be AM addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text AM on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe AM TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- AM Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest AM ** * Daniel Seiden Internet Services - http://www.basiclink.com Dan's Digital Images - http://dan.digitalphotochat.com Digital Photo Chat - http://www.digitalphotochat.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
