Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-19 Thread Albert Chin
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 10:43:08AM -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
 On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Max Bowsher wrote:
 
   The idea of supporting a --bindir option is tempting, but then
   'libtool --mode=install' stops looking like a simple install program,
   and in fact, the --bindir option would need to be passed for several
   different phases of libtool operation since it would influence the
   content of the library.la file.  Since Windows may be the only OS
   benefiting from this, we could have a case of the tail wagging the
   dog.
 
  So we conditionalize all this so it only activates on Windows.
 
 There is a fundamental flaw with this logic.  Sorry to dissapoint you,
 but most open source software using libtool does not originate from
 the Windows environment. :-)
 
 If you rely on a feature which only takes effect under Windows, then
 packages will neglect to enable or test that feature, resulting in
 packages which do not build properly (or misbehave) under Windows.

Doesn't this conflict with the libtool option -no-undefined:
 - Macro: AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL
 This macro should be used if the package has been ported to build
 clean dlls on win32 platforms.  Usually this means that any
 library data items are exported with `__declspec(dllexport)' and
 imported with `__declspec(dllimport)'.  If this macro is not used,
 libtool will assume that the package libraries are not dll clean
 and will build only static libraries on win32 hosts.

 This macro must be called *before* `AC_PROG_LIBTOOL', and
 provision must be made to pass `-no-undefined' to `libtool' in
 link mode from the package `Makefile'.  Naturally, if you pass
 `-no-undefined', you must ensure that all the library symbols
 *really are* defined at link time!

It seems that CYGWIN needs -no-undefined but this might be problematic
on other unices.

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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-19 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Albert Chin wrote:

 On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 10:43:08AM -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
  On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Max Bowsher wrote:
  
The idea of supporting a --bindir option is tempting, but then
'libtool --mode=install' stops looking like a simple install program,
and in fact, the --bindir option would need to be passed for several
different phases of libtool operation since it would influence the
content of the library.la file.  Since Windows may be the only OS
benefiting from this, we could have a case of the tail wagging the
dog.
  
   So we conditionalize all this so it only activates on Windows.
 
  There is a fundamental flaw with this logic.  Sorry to dissapoint you,
  but most open source software using libtool does not originate from
  the Windows environment. :-)
 
  If you rely on a feature which only takes effect under Windows, then
  packages will neglect to enable or test that feature, resulting in
  packages which do not build properly (or misbehave) under Windows.

 Doesn't this conflict with the libtool option -no-undefined:
  - Macro: AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL
  This macro should be used if the package has been ported to build
  clean dlls on win32 platforms.  Usually this means that any

Due to `auto-import' enhancements in the version of binutils used by
Cygwin and MinGW, I believe that using this macro is no longer
necessary.  Packages which have been enhanced (or compromised,
depending on point of view) by being decorated with
dllexport/dllimport annotations may still benefit from use of the
macro.

Unix-derived packages which do not use AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL and do not
incorporate dllexport/dllimport annotations are capable of building
DLLs by incorporating recent libtool.

 It seems that CYGWIN needs -no-undefined but this might be problematic
 on other unices.

It is true that Cygwin/MinGW need -no-undefined in order to build
DLLs.  I have not encountered a problem with specifying -no-undefined
under various unixes.  Indeed, I believe that this issue isn't Windows
specific because IBM's AIX also requires -no-undefined.

In order to ensure that the maximum number of packages will compile
under Windows, the auto* tools should automatically incorporate any
tests/features required for packages to build under Windows without
their authors taking specific action to make this possible.

Bob
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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-15 Thread Earnie Boyd

Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
 On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, Max Bowsher wrote:
 
I floated an idea on how to get around that: Adjust the libtool invocation
command (as determined in libtool.m4) to be libtool --bindir=$(bindir) (or
perhaps with appropriate quoting). The idea being that when used from an
autoconf-based makefile (is it even possible to do otherwise, now there is
no ltconfig?), the make variable bindir is passed on to libtool. Kludgy,
yes, but better than ../bin. Of course, libtool would need to detect an
invalid bindir and fall back on ../bin. I haven't fully worked this through
yet, though, as I've just started university, so am a bit busy, and to top
it off, my hard drive is making loud clicking noises and bluescreening my
laptop from time to time.
 
 
 Be very careful about your assumptions!  Libtool is certainly usable
 all by itself and may be used to install packages into a different
 directory from the one it is installed in.  Libtool only needs
 autoconf in order to be installed, and is delivered from the FSF as a
 configurable stand-alone package.  In a perfect world, every system
 would come with a perfectly working libtool, and packages wouldn't
 need to worry about including it, or configuring it.
 

So what!  The FSF standard is to use $(bindir) for binary installation. 
  It even states this in the make documentation.

 The idea of supporting a --bindir option is tempting, but then
 'libtool --mode=install' stops looking like a simple install program,
 and in fact, the --bindir option would need to be passed for several
 different phases of libtool operation since it would influence the
 content of the library.la file.  Since Windows may be the only OS
 benefiting from this, we could have a case of the tail wagging the
 dog.
 

Would bindir be an environment variable if libtool is being executed 
from make?  If not, setting a variable in the libtool.m4 that configure 
sets works.  I prefer that over a switch, with a default value for the 
variable of ../bin.  If bindir is passed to libtool through the 
environment then use ../bin if bindir isn't present.

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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-15 Thread Max Bowsher

Earnie Boyd wrote:
 Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
 On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, Max Bowsher wrote:

 I floated an idea on how to get around that: Adjust the libtool
 invocation command (as determined in libtool.m4) to be libtool
 --bindir=$(bindir) (or perhaps with appropriate quoting). The idea
 being that when used from an autoconf-based makefile (is it even
 possible to do otherwise, now there is no ltconfig?), the make
 variable bindir is passed on to libtool. Kludgy, yes, but better
 than ../bin. Of course, libtool would need to detect an invalid
 bindir and fall back on ../bin. I haven't fully worked this through
 yet, though, as I've just started university, so am a bit busy, and
 to top it off, my hard drive is making loud clicking noises and
 bluescreening my laptop from time to time.


 Be very careful about your assumptions!  Libtool is certainly usable
 all by itself and may be used to install packages into a different
 directory from the one it is installed in.  Libtool only needs
 autoconf in order to be installed, and is delivered from the FSF as a
 configurable stand-alone package.  In a perfect world, every system
 would come with a perfectly working libtool, and packages wouldn't
 need to worry about including it, or configuring it.


 So what!  The FSF standard is to use $(bindir) for binary
   installation. It even states this in the make documentation.

So we use bindir, and arrange to fall back to ../bin

 The idea of supporting a --bindir option is tempting, but then
 'libtool --mode=install' stops looking like a simple install program,
 and in fact, the --bindir option would need to be passed for several
 different phases of libtool operation since it would influence the
 content of the library.la file.  Since Windows may be the only OS
 benefiting from this, we could have a case of the tail wagging the
 dog.

So we conditionalize all this so it only activates on Windows.

 Would bindir be an environment variable if libtool is being executed
 from make?

Unfortunately not.

  If not, setting a variable in the libtool.m4 that
 configure sets works.

Unfortunately not - make install bindir=/alternatelocation.

  I prefer that over a switch, with a default
 value for the variable of ../bin.

I think that a switch is the only way, if we are to deal with the case I
cite above.

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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-15 Thread Max Bowsher

Guido Draheim wrote:
 Would bindir be an environment variable if libtool is being executed
 from make?  If not, setting a variable in the libtool.m4 that
 configure sets works.  I prefer that over a switch, with a default
 value for the variable of ../bin.  If bindir is passed to libtool
 through the environment then use ../bin if bindir isn't present.


 yes.

 Just reiterating the link to the macro that I add regularly to
 configure.ac
 http://ac-archive.sourceforge.net/guidod/ac_set_default_paths_system.html

 The main trick is to modify only the default-path (!!) of the
 libdirpath and therefore let the user be free to override it on the
 commandline. When a user has overridden the bindirpath then ../bin
 might simply be the wrong choice as it would not end up near the
 binary nor in the $PATH.

 libdir=`echo $libdir |sed -e 's:^..exec_prefix./lib$:${bindir}:'`

 perhaps add a similar thing to the libtool m4 macro, no?

I don't think this is the same issue at all. The problem is that libtool
needs to install _2_ files, and is (at the moment) only given the
destination of one of them.

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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-15 Thread Bob Friesenhahn

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Max Bowsher wrote:

  The idea of supporting a --bindir option is tempting, but then
  'libtool --mode=install' stops looking like a simple install program,
  and in fact, the --bindir option would need to be passed for several
  different phases of libtool operation since it would influence the
  content of the library.la file.  Since Windows may be the only OS
  benefiting from this, we could have a case of the tail wagging the
  dog.

 So we conditionalize all this so it only activates on Windows.

There is a fundamental flaw with this logic.  Sorry to dissapoint you,
but most open source software using libtool does not originate from
the Windows environment. :-)

If you rely on a feature which only takes effect under Windows, then
packages will neglect to enable or test that feature, resulting in
packages which do not build properly (or misbehave) under Windows.

You can make the assumption that all libtool users will use it from
packages using Autoconf and Automake so you can rely on a libtool
command line passed via those tools, but this is not necessarily the
case.  I am aware of a number of significant packages which use
libtool but don't use Automake at all.

If libtool was intended to be an extension of Autoconf/Automake, then
it should certainly have been absorbed into Automake, and not exist as
a stand-alone utility at all.

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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-15 Thread Guido Draheim



Earnie Boyd wrote:
 Max Bowsher wrote:
 
 Earnie Boyd wrote:


 Unfortunately not - make install bindir=/alternatelocation.


 I prefer that over a switch, with a default
 value for the variable of ../bin.



 I think that a switch is the only way, if we are to deal with the case I
 cite above.

 
 The Makefile sets
 LIBTOOL := bindir=$(bindir) $(SHELL) $(top_builddir)/libtool
 
 Then:
 Test for the existance of bindir in the libtool script, if it doesn't 
 exist set it to ../bin if it does exist the Makefile has passed it to 
 libtool via an environment variable.
 
 This works for `make install bindir=/alternatelocation.
 

Don't forget DESTDIR !




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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-15 Thread Max Bowsher

Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
 On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Max Bowsher wrote:

 So we conditionalize all this so it only activates on Windows.

 There is a fundamental flaw with this logic.  Sorry to dissapoint you,
 but most open source software using libtool does not originate from
 the Windows environment. :-)

Of course not.

 If you rely on a feature which only takes effect under Windows, then
 packages will neglect to enable or test that feature, resulting in
 packages which do not build properly (or misbehave) under Windows.

Sorry, how is this different from the current situation? This is just
another Win32 oddness that needs to be worked around.

 You can make the assumption that all libtool users will use it from
 packages using Autoconf and Automake so you can rely on a libtool
 command line passed via those tools, but this is not necessarily the
 case.  I am aware of a number of significant packages which use
 libtool but don't use Automake at all.

I could be wrong, but I think my solution would work just fine with
autoconf+libtool (without automake).

Does anyone use libtool without autoconf? Even if they do, then libtool can
just fall back to ../bin (or even put the DLLs alongside the implibs).

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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-15 Thread Max Bowsher

Earnie Boyd wrote:
 The Makefile sets
 LIBTOOL := bindir=$(bindir) $(SHELL) $(top_builddir)/libtool
 
 Then:
 Test for the existance of bindir in the libtool script, if it doesn't
 exist set it to ../bin if it does exist the Makefile has passed it to
 libtool via an environment variable.
 
 This works for `make install bindir=/alternatelocation.

Good point. Less impact on ltmain.sh options parsing code as well.

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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-15 Thread Bob Friesenhahn

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Max Bowsher wrote:

 Earnie Boyd wrote:
  The Makefile sets
  LIBTOOL := bindir=$(bindir) $(SHELL) $(top_builddir)/libtool
 
  Then:
  Test for the existance of bindir in the libtool script, if it doesn't
  exist set it to ../bin if it does exist the Makefile has passed it to
  libtool via an environment variable.
 
  This works for `make install bindir=/alternatelocation.

 Good point. Less impact on ltmain.sh options parsing code as well.

Would this part from Automake-generated Makefiles have any impact on
the proposal?

# Tell versions [3.59,3.63) of GNU make to not export all variables.
# Otherwise a system limit (for SysV at least) may be exceeded.
.NOEXPORT:

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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-15 Thread Max Bowsher

Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
 On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Max Bowsher wrote:
 
 Earnie Boyd wrote:
 The Makefile sets
 LIBTOOL := bindir=$(bindir) $(SHELL) $(top_builddir)/libtool
 
 Then:
 Test for the existance of bindir in the libtool script, if it
 doesn't exist set it to ../bin if it does exist the Makefile has
 passed it to libtool via an environment variable.
 
 This works for `make install bindir=/alternatelocation.
 
 Good point. Less impact on ltmain.sh options parsing code as well.
 
 Would this part from Automake-generated Makefiles have any impact on
 the proposal?
 
 # Tell versions [3.59,3.63) of GNU make to not export all variables.
 # Otherwise a system limit (for SysV at least) may be exceeded.
 .NOEXPORT:

It won't hinder it, if that it the question.

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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-15 Thread Bob Friesenhahn

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:

 Would this part from Automake-generated Makefiles have any impact on
 the proposal?

 # Tell versions [3.59,3.63) of GNU make to not export all variables.
 # Otherwise a system limit (for SysV at least) may be exceeded.
 .NOEXPORT:

Here is some text from the GNU make manual.

Except by explicit request, make exports a variable only if it is
either defined in the environment initially or set on the
command line, and if its name consists only of letters, numbers, and
underscores. Some shells cannot cope with
environment variable names consisting of characters other than
letters, numbers, and underscores.

The special variables SHELL and MAKEFLAGS are always exported (unless
you unexport them). MAKEFILES is exported if you set
it to anything.

make automatically passes down variable values that were defined on
the command line, by putting them in the MAKEFLAGS
variable.

I don't see evidence that srcdir will normally be available in
libtool's environment.

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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-15 Thread Max Bowsher

Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
 On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:

 Would this part from Automake-generated Makefiles have any impact on
 the proposal?

 # Tell versions [3.59,3.63) of GNU make to not export all variables.
 # Otherwise a system limit (for SysV at least) may be exceeded.
 .NOEXPORT:

 Here is some text from the GNU make manual.

 Except by explicit request, make exports a variable only if it is
 either defined in the environment initially or set on the
 command line, and if its name consists only of letters, numbers, and
 underscores. Some shells cannot cope with
 environment variable names consisting of characters other than
 letters, numbers, and underscores.

 The special variables SHELL and MAKEFLAGS are always exported (unless
 you unexport them). MAKEFILES is exported if you set
 it to anything.

 make automatically passes down variable values that were defined on
 the command line, by putting them in the MAKEFLAGS
 variable.

 I don't see evidence that srcdir will normally be available in
 libtool's environment.

I assume you mean bindir, not srcdir? In which case, my answer is: Yes,
thats why special attention of required to _make_ it available.

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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-14 Thread Robert Boehne

All,

The max_cmd_len variable is used to determine how long a command
can be executed.  When Libtool generates a link command that is
longer than this, it breaks the command into successive ld -r
invocations that are just short enough to be executed.  There are
other parts of the commands that aren't included when testing, so
the max_cmd_len variable can't be set to the actual limit, but
must be smaller.  Also, finding the actual limit would take much
longer so we set max_cmd_len to something safe.
  It is true that the checking takes some time, ~three seconds on
a newer Sun workstation (with large limit), but it isn't clear
to me why it would take even longer under MinGW.
  It is reasonable to set this to a hard limit if the test takes
a very long time, but the value to use is the same one that
Libtool's configury will calculate.  The problem with GTK+ is
that they archive two (or more) object files with the same name,
so successive ar commands replace the previous one with the
new one.  If a package needs the command line broken up, setting
this value to the maximum possible will speed up compilation
drastically, IMHO an important issue.

my $0.02

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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-14 Thread Bob Friesenhahn

On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, Robert Boehne wrote:

   It is true that the checking takes some time, ~three seconds on
 a newer Sun workstation (with large limit), but it isn't clear
 to me why it would take even longer under MinGW.

Unfortunately MinGW must run under an inferior OS, particularly
Windows '98 which has terrible performance with executing
subprocesses.

Libtool estimates a command line length of 8192 under Windows XP.  Is
there a version of Windows under which libtool estimates a smaller
lt_cv_sys_max_cmd_len?

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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-14 Thread Earnie Boyd

Well, shouldn't both use $(bindir) to install the dll into?

Earnie.

Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
 What directory should MinGW DLLs be installed in?  Cygwin installs
 using the offset ../bin from the directory where the .dll.a file is
 installed.  Should libtool behave the same way under MinGW?
 
 This seems to make sense as long as Unixish behavior is what is
 expected by MinGW users.  However, the intended purpose of MinGW is
 somewhat different than Cygwin.
 
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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-14 Thread Bob Friesenhahn

On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, Earnie Boyd wrote:

 Well, shouldn't both use $(bindir) to install the dll into?

What would be nice except that I don't believe libtool is provided
with this information at run-time.  It acts like a traditional install
program.  The Cygwin folks are using the ../bin trick to get around
that.

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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-14 Thread Max Bowsher

Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
 On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, Earnie Boyd wrote:

 Well, shouldn't both use $(bindir) to install the dll into?

 What would be nice except that I don't believe libtool is provided
 with this information at run-time.  It acts like a traditional install
 program.  The Cygwin folks are using the ../bin trick to get around
 that.

I floated an idea on how to get around that: Adjust the libtool invocation
command (as determined in libtool.m4) to be libtool --bindir=$(bindir) (or
perhaps with appropriate quoting). The idea being that when used from an
autoconf-based makefile (is it even possible to do otherwise, now there is
no ltconfig?), the make variable bindir is passed on to libtool. Kludgy,
yes, but better than ../bin. Of course, libtool would need to detect an
invalid bindir and fall back on ../bin. I haven't fully worked this through
yet, though, as I've just started university, so am a bit busy, and to top
it off, my hard drive is making loud clicking noises and bluescreening my
laptop from time to time.

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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-14 Thread Bob Friesenhahn

On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, Max Bowsher wrote:
 I floated an idea on how to get around that: Adjust the libtool invocation
 command (as determined in libtool.m4) to be libtool --bindir=$(bindir) (or
 perhaps with appropriate quoting). The idea being that when used from an
 autoconf-based makefile (is it even possible to do otherwise, now there is
 no ltconfig?), the make variable bindir is passed on to libtool. Kludgy,
 yes, but better than ../bin. Of course, libtool would need to detect an
 invalid bindir and fall back on ../bin. I haven't fully worked this through
 yet, though, as I've just started university, so am a bit busy, and to top
 it off, my hard drive is making loud clicking noises and bluescreening my
 laptop from time to time.

Be very careful about your assumptions!  Libtool is certainly usable
all by itself and may be used to install packages into a different
directory from the one it is installed in.  Libtool only needs
autoconf in order to be installed, and is delivered from the FSF as a
configurable stand-alone package.  In a perfect world, every system
would come with a perfectly working libtool, and packages wouldn't
need to worry about including it, or configuring it.

The idea of supporting a --bindir option is tempting, but then
'libtool --mode=install' stops looking like a simple install program,
and in fact, the --bindir option would need to be passed for several
different phases of libtool operation since it would influence the
content of the library.la file.  Since Windows may be the only OS
benefiting from this, we could have a case of the tail wagging the
dog.

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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-13 Thread Tor Lillqvist

Earnie Boyd writes:
  I've seen some looong command lines, not that I've stopped to count 
  the characters.  The 8192 may not be enough for some packages.

I have experienced that the 8192 (umm, don't remember exactly, some
pretty low limit anyhow) wasn't enough for GTK+, and libtool started
to use some workaround, which then failed in a mysterious
way. Manually changing the limit to 2 (for instance) helped. This
was on Win2k. If I remember correctly, CVS HEAD libtool earlier used
to arrive at a pretty high limit, over 2, but then at some point
started to use the lower limit.

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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-13 Thread Kevin Ryde

Tor Lillqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I have experienced that the 8192 (umm, don't remember exactly, some
 pretty low limit anyhow) wasn't enough for GTK+, and libtool started
 to use some workaround, which then failed in a mysterious
 way.

In GMP we had a problem with the ar cru used for piecewise linking
since we've got multiple object files of the same name (coming from
different directories).  Using AR_FLAGS=cq got around it.


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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-12 Thread Elizabeth Barham
Earnie Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'm fine with it and will support the change [of the maximum command
 line length] to a constant.  Should that constant be adjusted based
 on w9x vs NT?

I would not think so; rather, it seems to me that a 8192 character
command line maximum will work for most anyone.

Do we have the option of switching between NT and w9x?

Elizabeth


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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-12 Thread Earnie Boyd
Elizabeth Barham wrote:

Earnie Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



I'm fine with it and will support the change [of the maximum command
line length] to a constant.  Should that constant be adjusted based
on w9x vs NT?



I would not think so; rather, it seems to me that a 8192 character
command line maximum will work for most anyone.



I've seen some looong command lines, not that I've stopped to count 
the characters.  The 8192 may not be enough for some packages.  Is there 
a mehtod to use that doesn't check the command line length or is the 
point of the limit to break the command line into parts?

Do we have the option of switching between NT and w9x?


With Cygwin and MSYS, unmae tacks it on the system name.

Earnie.



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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-12 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, Earnie Boyd wrote:
 the characters.  The 8192 may not be enough for some packages.  Is there
 a mehtod to use that doesn't check the command line length or is the
 point of the limit to break the command line into parts?

I believe that the limit is there to break the command line into
parts.  For the sake of efficiency, choose the largest length that
works.

Bob
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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-12 Thread Elizabeth Barham
Earnie Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I've seen some looong command lines, not that I've stopped to
 count the characters.  The 8192 may not be enough for some packages.
 Is there a mehtod to use that doesn't check the command line length
 or is the point of the limit to break the command line into parts?

I do not know why it is used. It sets the variable `max_cmd_len' is
all I can tell that it does in libtool.m4.

 with Cygwin and MSYS, unmae tacks it on the system name.

Ok.

Elizabeth


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Re: [Mingw-msys] Re: MinGW libtool DLL failure

2002-10-11 Thread Earnie Boyd
Elizabeth Barham wrote:


What is the MSYS-team's view on this?



I'm fine with it and will support the change to a constant.  Should that 
constant be adjusted based on w9x vs NT?

Earnie.



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