Re: [License-discuss] Started discussion with Figaro re their license.
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:38:02 -0400 John Cowan wrote: > Karl Fogel scripsit: > > > Just in case anyone else noticed this: > > > > > > https://www.cra.com/commercial-solutions/probabilistic-modeling-services.asp > > > > They want to be open source, and almost are, but they're using a > > custom license based on 3-clause BSD with an extra clause -- clause > > (4) -- that IMHO is problematic. I've attached the license to this > > mail. > > I don't think it is. Clauses 1 and 2 (as usual for BSD) require that > the license itself be preserved by downstream distributors. That > license already includes the pointer required by clause 4 -- in the > text of clause 4 itself. So clause 4 is self-satisfying taken in > conjunction with clauses 1 and 2. Ah, but what does it mean to have a pointer to probabilistic modeling services? :) ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
Re: [License-discuss] System 76's BeanBooks Public License v1.0
It seems that at least a few OSI directors seem think System 76's BeanBooks Public License may be at least a bit problematic under OSD (or, at least, has other perhaps-OSD-orthogonal policy problems, like the baked-in CLA). I thus strongly recommend that someone who is able to speak officially for OSI reach out to System 76 and discuss the issue with them. Maybe they can be convinced to use a standard Open Source and Free Software license. They didn't throw this code over the wall that long ago, so it might not be too late. -- -- bkuhn ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
Re: [License-discuss] Started discussion with Figaro re their license.
Karl Fogel scripsit: > Just in case anyone else noticed this: > > https://www.cra.com/commercial-solutions/probabilistic-modeling-services.asp > > They want to be open source, and almost are, but they're using a custom > license based on 3-clause BSD with an extra clause -- clause (4) -- > that IMHO is problematic. I've attached the license to this mail. I don't think it is. Clauses 1 and 2 (as usual for BSD) require that the license itself be preserved by downstream distributors. That license already includes the pointer required by clause 4 -- in the text of clause 4 itself. So clause 4 is self-satisfying taken in conjunction with clauses 1 and 2. All good. /me snickers. > 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright > notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. > 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright > notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the > documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. > 3. Neither the name of Charles River Analytics nor the names of its > contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from > this software without specific prior written permission. > 4. Redistributions in any form must include a pointer to Charles River > Analytics' website (www.cra.com) and probabilistic modeling services. -- John Cowan co...@ccil.orghttp://ccil.org/~cowan No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. --John Donne ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
[License-discuss] Started discussion with Figaro re their license.
Just in case anyone else noticed this: https://www.cra.com/commercial-solutions/probabilistic-modeling-services.asp They want to be open source, and almost are, but they're using a custom license based on 3-clause BSD with an extra clause -- clause (4) -- that IMHO is problematic. I've attached the license to this mail. (You get to their download by filling in a registration form, which is annoying of course and not normal for most open source projects, but is not in itself contradictory to the OSD in any way.) I already contacted them about their license by using their web form. Hopefully they'll understand the issue and switch to plain BSD. These discussions always take at least a few days, so let's see what happens. Best, -Karl Figaro Software License Copyright (c) 2011-2013, Avrom J. Pfeffer and Charles River Analytics, Inc. All rights reserved. Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met: 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. 3. Neither the name of Charles River Analytics nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission. 4. Redistributions in any form must include a pointer to Charles River Analytics' website (www.cra.com) and probabilistic modeling services. THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND CONTRIBUTORS "AS IS" AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COPYRIGHT HOLDER OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. Third Party Software Included with this product is the JSci mathematical computing library (JSci) developed by third parties and licensed by them under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License Version 2.1 (LGPL). The terms of the LGPL are available in JSci/LICENSE and the source code for JSci is available in the JSci directory. ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
