[License-discuss] License on neural net data?
Hi, I wondered if there are any licenses that are appropriate for the weight data in neural-network/learning systems. (It's mostly an idle thought rather than something I've got a project on). For example, if I were to train a voice-recognition system on a mix of source audio under a bunch of different licenses, what can I license the trained system under? It seems in some ways some systems can be seen as lossy compression systems, e.g. (1) - so those are on the edge of having a lot of the original source, but that doesn't feel like it should be true of something trained for voice recognition say - I bet the border between the two cases will get some interesting cases. In the case of voice-recognition I was thinking of trying to train things on speeches given at (open-source) conferences, which is what got me thinking about it. There are probably some fun other cases, like if someone starts with your model and then trains it a lot more, what are the terms they're allowed to distribute their new model under. Dave (just gently thinking about AI stuff) 1: https://medium.com/@Terrybroad/autoencoding-blade-runner-88941213abbe#.uhemm6z4u -- -Open up your eyes, open up your mind, open up your code --- / Dr. David Alan Gilbert| Running GNU/Linux | Happy \ \dave @ treblig.org | | In Hex / \ _|_ http://www.treblig.org |___/ ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org https://lists.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
Re: a proposed change to the OSD
* Bruce Perens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Copyright law spells out a number of rights, including use and creation of derived works. GPL attempts to restrict the creation of derived works and contends that linking creates a derived work. This position is not a use restriction, but may not be enforcible in court - we need more cases to know for sure. Other licenses, like Larry's latest effort, do this with something that is more clearly enforcible but rely on a use restriction. Can you explain to me (and the list) what the definition of a 'use restriction' is? Dave Have a happy GNU millennium! -- / Dr. David Alan Gilbert| Running GNU/Linux on Alpha,68K| Happy \ \ gro.gilbert @ treblig.org | MIPS,x86,ARM, SPARC and HP-PA | In Hex / \ _|_ http://www.treblig.org |___/ -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
Re: a proposed change to the OSD
* Bruce Perens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: IANAL, of course. No problem - neither am I. For software, use is execution of the software. Copyright law doesn't speak much of software at all, so we can't rely on that for a definition and must look at court cases for precedents. Creation of derived works is a separate right from use under copyright law. It can be restricted separately from use, and vice versa. The act of modifying software creates a derived work that is partially your copyright, and partially that of the original contributor. So as an author of a library or the like I need to grant the license to use and.. There is some contention regarding whether linking creates a derived work, and exactly one court case on the topic that isn't definitive. So to allow someone to distribute a statically linked version of something linked with a library; I should probably give them rights to make a derivative work; but also would need to give them rights to grant use licenses on the derivative? Dave Have a happy GNU millennium! -- / Dr. David Alan Gilbert| Running GNU/Linux on Alpha,68K| Happy \ \ gro.gilbert @ treblig.org | MIPS,x86,ARM, SPARC and HP-PA | In Hex / \ _|_ http://www.treblig.org |___/ -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
Re: a proposed change to the OSD
* Bruce Perens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: My only concern is how this would interact with Larry's new license. Well I was thinking about GPL on libraries since that restricts what you are allowed to link the library against; (No I'm not trying to get into an argument about the merits or not of this). Dave Have a happy GNU millennium! -- / Dr. David Alan Gilbert| Running GNU/Linux on Alpha,68K| Happy \ \ gro.gilbert @ treblig.org | MIPS,x86,ARM, SPARC and HP-PA | In Hex / \ _|_ http://www.treblig.org |___/ -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
Re: a proposed change to the OSD
* Russell Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm going to propose a change the Open Source Definition at our board meeting next Thursday. It is simply this: 0) A license may not restrict use or modification of a lawfully obtained copy of a work. Anybody have problems with this? Does this have any problems? How would that interact with licenses for libraries ? Dave Have a happy GNU millennium! -- / Dr. David Alan Gilbert| Running GNU/Linux on Alpha,68K| Happy \ \ gro.gilbert @ treblig.org | MIPS,x86,ARM, SPARC and HP-PA | In Hex / \ _|_ http://www.treblig.org |___/ -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
