For Approval: HAL, Hermes Attribution License (revisited)
Thank you for your suggests, we have a problem with OSL because it seems not to consider totally the content of the products developed: our software (and so many others) will be distributed with a principal core but the system engine will have a great variety of distribution, depending by their final application (a software to create and develop metrical poetry texts is so much different from another one able to educate in language learning, and so on ). We dont want to release only the core, because the study of a whole system (including some derivative works, a kind of software plugins ) its easier and much more organic. In different OSL grants a lot of rights, of course, but for is not the best license to protect the intellectual works of certain kind of author. In our software (and we think in so many others) we have to grant difference kind of rights, especially when we consider the redistribution of the product under the same terms of original License. For example we have to consider three different kind of author: 1-an original one: write his own text and consider only his own work 2-a mediated author: someone who puts an original text (like texts of Plato, Nietzsche, McLuhan, ) according with the permission of the terms law 3-a derived author: write a text using a lot of external source, mixing his thought with the meaning of the sentences used We think OSL is a complete license, but we try to create one more specifically. We introduce also a Charging Fees concept based on moral duty that OSL dont consider (we have revisited our last version of H.A.L. License according to the precious suggestions of your mailing-list answer). We dont want money for the core of the system (its opensource, of course), but we hope to create a money feedback when a developer is proudly of original licensor software and want to share a little bit of the contributes obtained for the performed work. we append the text of the revisited license in this email Thank you. Hermes_Net Staff -- Messaggio inoltrato -- From: Staff di Filosofiateoretica.it [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: For Approval: HAL, Hermes Attribution License Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:58:25 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit We need a new kind of license different from previously released, similar to the GPL open source license but able to protect and to grant directly intellectual rights and fees whenever the fees will come from professional (we think commercial) use of the products bounded with the license. These are the principal differences between our license and the others just approved from OSI: Fees: - We speak of open source when our intents are to offer everyone the possibility to study, to applicate and to upgrade the source code of the software (the License refers in this case to Hermes_Net web platform), but we want also to grant everyone for the right economical profits whenever an application based on the core of the platform will be used for any not-free use (we think there are so many ways to use Hermes with money profits, like E-Learning, collective research, case studies, vortal, and content management used in professional structure (portal, newspaper, industries, private or public school, ). We dont want to have control of any kind of fees based on modification, personalization or adaptation of the code. In this case we want just a feedback of the work developed, to understand and offering in open source mode the eventual significative upgrade of the product or important related plugin. Intellectual right: -We want to protect and grant the intellectual right of the author directly. Hermes is a powerful software able to create a kind of hypermedia/hypertext from a original document. This document belong to its author and could be also under copyright license (we speak about classical text for example, or about poetry, mathematical issue, newspaper articles and so on ). So, if we have an original production which will envolves in a different way creating a sub-web-network of collective derived production then we will consider these productions as author-based copyrighted work too, whose grants are the same of the original text. Everytime is used a text that violates the intellectual rights of author the responsability is only of the administrator (single or team) of the platform. Otherwise whenever a text is created and offends anyone, or is immoral, or could be dangerously for its content, only the author is to be considered responsible for his own work. We think there are no problems with others open source licenses, so the software could interacts with other products under the same license or with the standard OSI approved licenses. Our license is like GPL except for the questions of fees and intellectual grants
For Approval: HAL, Hermes Attribution License
We need a new kind of license different from previously released, similar to the GPL open source license but able to protect and to grant directly intellectual rights and fees whenever the fees will come from professional (we think commercial) use of the products bounded with the license. These are the principal differences between our license and the others just approved from OSI: Fees: - We speak of open source when our intents are to offer everyone the possibility to study, to applicate and to upgrade the source code of the software (the License refers in this case to Hermes_Net web platform), but we want also to grant everyone for the right economical profits whenever an application based on the core of the platform will be used for any not-free use (we think there are so many ways to use Hermes with money profits, like E-Learning, collective research, case studies, vortal, and content management used in professional structure (portal, newspaper, industries, private or public school, ). We dont want to have control of any kind of fees based on modification, personalization or adaptation of the code. In this case we want just a feedback of the work developed, to understand and offering in open source mode the eventual significative upgrade of the product or important related plugin. Intellectual right: -We want to protect and grant the intellectual right of the author directly. Hermes is a powerful software able to create a kind of hypermedia/hypertext from a original document. This document belong to its author and could be also under copyright license (we speak about classical text for example, or about poetry, mathematical issue, newspaper articles and so on ). So, if we have an original production which will envolves in a different way creating a sub-web-network of collective derived production then we will consider these productions as author-based copyrighted work too, whose grants are the same of the original text. Everytime is used a text that violates the intellectual rights of author the responsability is only of the administrator (single or team) of the platform. Otherwise whenever a text is created and offends anyone, or is immoral, or could be dangerously for its content, only the author is to be considered responsible for his own work. We think there are no problems with others open source licenses, so the software could interacts with other products under the same license or with the standard OSI approved licenses. Our license is like GPL except for the questions of fees and intellectual grants. Every software could interact with our product we have find no limitation since the date of the publication. Best regards Hermes Staff -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
Re: For Approval: HAL, Hermes Attribution License
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 12:58, Staff di Filosofiateoretica.it wrote: ... we want also to grant everyone for the right economical profits whenever an application based on the core of the platform will be used for any not-free use... This breaches clause 6 of the OSD. See also www.softdevelcoop.org -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
RE: For Approval: HAL, Hermes Attribution License
You ought to consider the Open Software License. [http://opensource.org/licenses/osl-2.0.php] It requires those who create derivative works to publish their source code but, unlike the GPL, it allows licensees to distribute those derivative works for a fee. (The GPL's at no charge language is not present in the OSL.) Of course, since the OSL is reciprocal, basic economic law predicts that the price of such derivative works will approximate their marginal cost of production and distribution. The OSL protects everyone's copyright and patent interests. It also encourages attribution notices to protect the original authors from being associated with unacceptable derivative works. If I'm reading your email correctly, I think this may address your concerns. /Larry Rosen -Original Message- From: Staff di Filosofiateoretica.it [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: For Approval: HAL, Hermes Attribution License We need a new kind of license different from previously released, similar to the GPL open source license but able to protect and to grant directly intellectual rights and fees whenever the fees will come from professional (we think commercial) use of the products bounded with the license. These are the principal differences between our license and the others just approved from OSI: Fees: - We speak of open source when our intents are to offer everyone the possibility to study, to applicate and to upgrade the source code of the software (the License refers in this case to Hermes_Net web platform), but we want also to grant everyone for the right economical profits whenever an application based on the core of the platform will be used for any not-free use (we think there are so many ways to use Hermes with money profits, like E-Learning, collective research, case studies, vortal, and content management used in professional structure (portal, newspaper, industries, private or public school,.). We don't want to have control of any kind of fees based on modification, personalization or adaptation of the code. In this case we want just a feedback of the work developed, to understand and offering in open source mode the eventual significative upgrade of the product or important related plugin. Intellectual right: -We want to protect and grant the intellectual right of the author directly. Hermes is a powerful software able to create a kind of hypermedia/hypertext from a original document. This document belong to its author and could be also under copyright license (we speak about classical text for example, or about poetry, mathematical issue, newspaper articles and so on.). So, if we have an original production which will envolves in a different way creating a sub-web-network of collective derived production then we will consider these productions as author-based copyrighted work too, whose grants are the same of the original text. Everytime is used a text that violates the intellectual rights of author the responsability is only of the administrator (single or team) of the platform. Otherwise whenever a text is created and offends anyone, or is immoral, or could be dangerously for its content, only the author is to be considered responsible for his own work. We think there are no problems with others open source licenses, so the software could interacts with other products under the same license or with the standard OSI approved licenses. Our license is like GPL except for the questions of fees and intellectual grants. Every software could interact with our product we have find no limitation since the date of the publication. Best regards Hermes Staff -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3 -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
