Re: request for approval of APPOSL - going by the numbers.
Hi Russel, It's with my laywers now. Let's see what they have to say. His initial impressions, and mine, seem to be that regardless of whether you apporve or disapprove of a 'rant', if the licence upholds the principles of free software then it is certifiable. we'll see what mr fancy-pants lawyer says before I push this further. I believe I have until the last wednesday of the month before the board meets to review the APOSSL. cheers dave At 12:43 AM -0500 9/3/02, Russell Nelson wrote: dave sag writes: We state 4. The term pronoic should be used to endorse and promote products derived from this software before obtaining written permission. For written permission, you must contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave, we have been asked to approve political rants couched in the form of a license in the past, and have refused. I expect fully that this will happen again. Do you still want us to put your license to a vote, given this information? This is not to say that I disagreee with your rant, with political rants specifically, or even ranting in general. Go ahead! Have at it! -- -russ nelson http://russnelson.com | Crypto without a threat Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | model is like cookies 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | without milk. Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
Re: request for approval of APPOSL - going by the numbers.
dave sag writes: We state 4. The term pronoic should be used to endorse and promote products derived from this software before obtaining written permission. For written permission, you must contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave, we have been asked to approve political rants couched in the form of a license in the past, and have refused. I expect fully that this will happen again. Do you still want us to put your license to a vote, given this information? This is not to say that I disagreee with your rant, with political rants specifically, or even ranting in general. Go ahead! Have at it! -- -russ nelson http://russnelson.com | Crypto without a threat Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | model is like cookies 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | without milk. Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
Re: request for approval of APPOSL - going by the numbers.
On Wednesday 06 March 2002 9:59 pm, dave sag wrote: The intent of clause 4 is that people are encouraged to think about and to describe their work as being pronoic, ie as being part of a greater conspiracy to make life better. we encourage developers do this before, or if ever, seeking permission to use the term. What people are encouraged to do isn't really part of a license as such -- though it could reasonably be part of a preamble to a license. A license should describe what licensees are intended to be compelled by law to do / not do. -- Philip Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would guess that he really believes whatever is politically advantageous for him to believe. -- Alison Brooks, referring to Michael Portillo, on soc.history.what-if -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
request for approval of APPOSL - going by the numbers.
Hi OSSL experts, In my earlier posts to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I failed to follow protocol and snagged myself on a couple of silly misunderstandings. For this I apologise. I have now followed from the list at http://www.opensource.org/docs/certification_mark.html and hope that this meets with your approval. 1. the licence is available as html at http://www.pronoic.org/Licence.html the same licence is available as text at http://www.pronoic.org/Licence.txt 2. APOSSL is closest to the Apache licence. The Apache licence is insufficient for our needs as our mission is to promote pronoia, and pronoic attitudes in the minds of developers who embrace and extend our software. the specific differences are: The Apache licence, from which APOSSL is derived, states: 4. The names Apache and Apache Software Foundation must not be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without prior written permission. For written permission, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] We state 4. The term pronoic should be used to endorse and promote products derived from this software before obtaining written permission. For written permission, you must contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] The difference in these clauses highlights the difference in approach we take to software development, intellectual property and software goals. At the top of APOSSL we define the following terms For the purposes of this licence, the lower case use of the word pronoic either within or without the use of quotes, shall mean the belief that forces are conspiring to make life better for you. The Canonised version of the word Pronoic, either within, or without quotes, shall be taken to mean Pronoic Ltd a company registered in the UK and whose information is available at http://www.pronoic.com The intent of clause 4 is that people are encouraged to think about and to describe their work as being pronoic, ie as being part of a greater conspiracy to make life better. we encourage developers do this before, or if ever, seeking permission to use the term. This difference is crucial to us here at Pronoic Ltd. 3. As far as I can see the APOSSL will not taint other licences. Because clause 4 of our licence does not contain any enforceable requirements, but recommended behaviours, I can't see how it can taint other licences. 4. I have cc'd a copy of this email to to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I look forward to parts 5, 6, 7, 8 and then to being able to contribute our software to the free software community under an OSI Certified mark, all while simultaneously promoting pronoia as a force for good in the world. cheers dave A pronoic person looks at a glass half full and knows it was poured. -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
