[Lift] Netbeans 6.8 issues with Lift

2009-12-25 Thread GA
Hello guys,

I have upgraded my Netbeans from 6.7 to 6.8 and the very same Lift code started 
to report some errors. The code compiles correctly from the command line, but 
it reports error in the GUI. One of the errors is the following:

This method:

def dispatch: LiftRules.DispatchPF = {
case r...@req(api :: feed:: getNewSources :: Nil, , PutRequest) 
=
() = getNewSources(r)
case r...@req(api :: feed:: getNewFeedsPerSource :: Nil, , 
PutRequest) =
() = getNewFeedsPerSource(r)
case r...@req(api :: feed :: setNewSource :: Nil, , PutRequest) 
=
() = setNewSource(r)
case r...@req(api :: feed :: setNewFeedEntries :: Nil, , 
PutRequest) =
() = setNewFeedEntries(r)
}

Reports:

missing parameter type for expanded function

As I say, the code complies and run perfectly from Maven in the command line. 
Does anybody have similar issues with Netbeans 6.8?

Thanks in advance,

GA

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[Lift] Re: Lift is awesome (with reservations)

2009-12-25 Thread greekscala
Hello,

I would like to hear more about, how you get lift. I am new to lift
too and trying to get a better and clearer viewpoint.

Maybe it can help others to. If you can summarize it in a few
sentences.
This would be really great.

with best regards

On 25 Dez., 01:05, Erkki Lindpere vill...@gmail.com wrote:
 It took me a long time to get lift. For about a year I looked at
 examples from time to time and tried out some basic stuff, but it just
 didn't click. I found the structure to be too messy. I still do
 actually. It seems that the documentation is also not well structured
 enough for getting started and I had to look at examples and Lift's
 source to understand how things work (thanks for putting sources in
 the Maven repo BTW, I wish everyone would do that).

 After experimenting with Lift for about two days I think I get the
 basic idea and I've come to a better understanding about lift's
 structure by looking at the sources, I can now ignore the parts I
 don't like (Mapper being one, I use JPA instead) and use the parts
 that I do.

 The way the X(HT)ML processing, type-safe JavaScript/jQuery, Ajax and
 Comet work is just brilliant!

 PS. I'm working (on my spare time for now) on an Ajax  Comet heavy
 application that will hopefully also have a lot of runtime
 customization ability through OSGi. I haven't gotten to the OSGi part
 yet, because there's the hurdle of OSGifying all the jars I use and I
 want to get a good understanding of Lift before I start making things
 dynamic. But do you have any recommendations for OSGi framework/web
 container combinations to use with Lift? I have tried SpringSource
 dmServer (with the SpringSource tooling), but I don't like it much...
 Maybe plain Equinox + Jetty with the ScalaModules library would be a
 good combo?

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[Lift] Re: Lift is awesome (with reservations)

2009-12-25 Thread Timothy Perrett
It would be really good for us as a team to know what it is you *dont*
get? Is it conceptual? code? If we can understand what is daunting for
newbies that would really be helpful.

Cheers, Tim

On Dec 25, 2:51 pm, greekscala hellectro...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 I would like to hear more about, how you get lift. I am new to lift
 too and trying to get a better and clearer viewpoint.

 Maybe it can help others to. If you can summarize it in a few
 sentences.
 This would be really great.

 with best regards

 On 25 Dez., 01:05, Erkki Lindpere vill...@gmail.com wrote:



  It took me a long time to get lift. For about a year I looked at
  examples from time to time and tried out some basic stuff, but it just
  didn't click. I found the structure to be too messy. I still do
  actually. It seems that the documentation is also not well structured
  enough for getting started and I had to look at examples and Lift's
  source to understand how things work (thanks for putting sources in
  the Maven repo BTW, I wish everyone would do that).

  After experimenting with Lift for about two days I think I get the
  basic idea and I've come to a better understanding about lift's
  structure by looking at the sources, I can now ignore the parts I
  don't like (Mapper being one, I use JPA instead) and use the parts
  that I do.

  The way the X(HT)ML processing, type-safe JavaScript/jQuery, Ajax and
  Comet work is just brilliant!

  PS. I'm working (on my spare time for now) on an Ajax  Comet heavy
  application that will hopefully also have a lot of runtime
  customization ability through OSGi. I haven't gotten to the OSGi part
  yet, because there's the hurdle of OSGifying all the jars I use and I
  want to get a good understanding of Lift before I start making things
  dynamic. But do you have any recommendations for OSGi framework/web
  container combinations to use with Lift? I have tried SpringSource
  dmServer (with the SpringSource tooling), but I don't like it much...
  Maybe plain Equinox + Jetty with the ScalaModules library would be a
  good combo?

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Re: [Lift] Netbeans 6.8 issues with Lift

2009-12-25 Thread Timothy Perrett
That would be because the 6.8 plugin uses scala 2.8 which we do not support. 
See some of the recent threads on the mailing list.

Cheers, Tim



On 25 Dec 2009, at 12:38, GA wrote:

 Hello guys,
 
 I have upgraded my Netbeans from 6.7 to 6.8 and the very same Lift code 
 started to report some errors. The code compiles correctly from the command 
 line, but it reports error in the GUI. One of the errors is the following:
 
 This method:
 
def dispatch: LiftRules.DispatchPF = {
case r...@req(api :: feed:: getNewSources :: Nil, , 
 PutRequest) =
() = getNewSources(r)
case r...@req(api :: feed:: getNewFeedsPerSource :: Nil, , 
 PutRequest) =
() = getNewFeedsPerSource(r)
case r...@req(api :: feed :: setNewSource :: Nil, , 
 PutRequest) =
() = setNewSource(r)
case r...@req(api :: feed :: setNewFeedEntries :: Nil, , 
 PutRequest) =
() = setNewFeedEntries(r)
}
 
 Reports:
 
 missing parameter type for expanded function
 
 As I say, the code complies and run perfectly from Maven in the command line. 
 Does anybody have similar issues with Netbeans 6.8?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 GA
 
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[Lift] Re: Reg setting the name attr for SHtml.Text

2009-12-25 Thread rk
Thanks, that was helpful..There is a lot to understand.

On Dec 24, 8:40 pm, Naftoli Gugenheim naftoli...@gmail.com wrote:
 SHtml's functions rely on autogenerated names to work. Among other things it 
 makes sites more secure.
 If you need a custom name, don't use SHtml. Rather output an xml element 
 manually, either inline or via a template, and use S.param to get the URL 
 query parameter when the form is submitted. It returns a Box that's empty 
 when the parameter does not exist and Full when it does.

 -

 rkrkdev...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm new to Scala/Lift, i have a question reg SHtml.Text, If i have the
 following code
 bind(entry,xhtml,
     something - SHtml.text(something, something = _),
     submit - SHtml.submit(Add, processAdd))

 i can get the value entered within processAdd for ex, println(Val...
 + something) works fine..
 But if i want to have a fixed name for the input something like -
 bind(entry,xhtml,
     something - SHtml.text(something, something = _,name-something),

     submit - SHtml.submit(Add, processAdd))

 the above code has name attr, how should i get the entered value
 from the form ? using S.attr(something) ? i tried this but doesn't
 work. Am i doing something wrong..
 Thanks

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Re: [Lift] Re: Lift is awesome (with reservations)

2009-12-25 Thread David Flemström
On Friday 25 December 2009 20:09:10 Timothy Perrett wrote:
 It would be really good for us as a team to know what it is you *dont*
 get? Is it conceptual? code? If we can understand what is daunting for
 newbies that would really be helpful.
I think that Mr. Lindpere basically made this pretty clear:
- The structure of Lift is too messy
- The documentation is unstructured
- Lift is not easy enough to understand without having to look at varying 
amounts of examples.

However, since I understand that these points are pretty... vague, I will 
elaborate with my own experience (which still is pretty on-topic) I had one 
year ago when I started using Lift. I'll try to picture the way I thought back 
then.

- It is difficult to track exactly how a request is handled: it goes through 
views/dispatchPF's, and then it suddenly ends up reading a HTML file with 
lift: tags inside of it, or not... Then there are the various hooks that 
come into play, and overridden snippet definitions, snippets fetching templates 
on their own, SiteMap entries that can override default request paths, and so 
on. At the end of the day, you just use that site map/menu system in 
combination with Mapper, comet actor, or whatever, without really having a 
clue about how it works. You cannot tell which path the request took or where 
to expect it to be next without looking at the Lift source code. Something 
that would really help would be a clear flow chart that you could show newbies 
and that depicted the path of a request in Lift (including all of the forks it 
could take). That would be pretty helpful.

- The once clean model/view separation isn't so clean any more. The prime 
example is of course MappedTextarea that is mentioned over and over again 
(with its height/width), but even in classes such as ProtoUser, you find view 
code that doesn't belong.

- Lift doesn't really contain newbie-friendly building blocks that can be 
reused easily. E.g. there's ProtoUser which is a black box of example code, 
instead of something more true to the Scala way of doing things  like User 
with LastName with EmailField with Password... that would make the modules 
useful and actually reusable. When I asked about how to remove the email field 
from ProtoUser and how to replace it with an OpenID, I got the response that I 
should copy-paste the code from ProtoUser into a new class and do the 
integration myself. The whole construct simply isn't useful.

- The API isn't consistent. Sometimes you find methods à la cached_? and 
sometimes isCached, sometimes methods use Box[]es for no apparent reason, 
sometimes you use objects and sometimes vals and so on. I've stopped 
thinking about this since I've memorized the most important parts of Lift, but 
this is something you stumble over as a newbie. I hope that this will be 
largely corrected in 1.1/2.0.

When I started using Lift, I almost immediately went back to the Step 
framework [0] since it was so much easier to understand but still actually 
useful and powerful. Only after a while did I dare go back to Lift again.

[0] http://github.com/alandipert/step
 
 Cheers, Tim
 

David Flemström
david.flemst...@gmail.com


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[Lift] Re: Lift is awesome (with reservations)

2009-12-25 Thread Erkki Lindpere
I mostly agree with what David said and I'll add this:

* I think _? and _! in methods come from Ruby, but they don't fit the
naming conventions in Java/Scala (I think Scala should mostly follow
Java conventions with some exceptions). This is a really minor point
though.

* object User extends User with MetaMegaProtoUser[User]. ProtoUser
should just go away, the namings are ridiculous and it mixes HTML with
persistence. Luckily one can just ignore the whole mapper module.

* Some exceptions seem to just get eaten and I have no idea where
things went wrong

* I haven't taken a closer look at Box yet, but I understand that they
are like Option, but have a third possibility of capturing an
exceptional situation. Is this really better than using Exceptions?
While Java's checked exceptions may have proven to be a failure, I
don't think it's necessary.

* there are several classes that have lots of methods in them that
don't all belong together. For example: S, LiftRules, I'm sure there's
more. Some packages have too many classes as well. I think there
should be a cleaner separation of concerns.

* I find Lift to be generally concept-heavy and invents new concepts
instead of reusing well-known ones. You have to know much to use it
effectively. I do not think Lift in it's current form is usable for
average developers. Maybe that isn't the goal, but this makes me
think there should be a post-Lift framework that takes all the good
things, makes it better structured and documented and generally more
usable by normal people :)

Disclaimer: a lot of this might come from the fact that I'm not very
used to functional programming. Even as I've used Scala almost daily
for a year and a half (and even a little bit at my day job) I find
Lift's programming style foreign at times. I would really prefer a
more OO solution in quite a few places where Lift solves things in a
functional way.

Erkki L

On Dec 25, 11:55 pm, David Flemström david.flemst...@gmail.com
wrote:
 On Friday 25 December 2009 20:09:10 Timothy Perrett wrote: It would be 
 really good for us as a team to know what it is you *dont*
  get? Is it conceptual? code? If we can understand what is daunting for
  newbies that would really be helpful.

 I think that Mr. Lindpere basically made this pretty clear:
 - The structure of Lift is too messy
 - The documentation is unstructured
 - Lift is not easy enough to understand without having to look at varying
 amounts of examples.

 However, since I understand that these points are pretty... vague, I will
 elaborate with my own experience (which still is pretty on-topic) I had one
 year ago when I started using Lift. I'll try to picture the way I thought back
 then.

 - It is difficult to track exactly how a request is handled: it goes through
 views/dispatchPF's, and then it suddenly ends up reading a HTML file with
 lift: tags inside of it, or not... Then there are the various hooks that
 come into play, and overridden snippet definitions, snippets fetching 
 templates
 on their own, SiteMap entries that can override default request paths, and so
 on. At the end of the day, you just use that site map/menu system in
 combination with Mapper, comet actor, or whatever, without really having a
 clue about how it works. You cannot tell which path the request took or where
 to expect it to be next without looking at the Lift source code. Something
 that would really help would be a clear flow chart that you could show newbies
 and that depicted the path of a request in Lift (including all of the forks it
 could take). That would be pretty helpful.

 - The once clean model/view separation isn't so clean any more. The prime
 example is of course MappedTextarea that is mentioned over and over again
 (with its height/width), but even in classes such as ProtoUser, you find view
 code that doesn't belong.

 - Lift doesn't really contain newbie-friendly building blocks that can be
 reused easily. E.g. there's ProtoUser which is a black box of example code,
 instead of something more true to the Scala way of doing things  like User
 with LastName with EmailField with Password... that would make the modules
 useful and actually reusable. When I asked about how to remove the email field
 from ProtoUser and how to replace it with an OpenID, I got the response that I
 should copy-paste the code from ProtoUser into a new class and do the
 integration myself. The whole construct simply isn't useful.

 - The API isn't consistent. Sometimes you find methods à la cached_? and
 sometimes isCached, sometimes methods use Box[]es for no apparent reason,
 sometimes you use objects and sometimes vals and so on. I've stopped
 thinking about this since I've memorized the most important parts of Lift, but
 this is something you stumble over as a newbie. I hope that this will be
 largely corrected in 1.1/2.0.

 When I started using Lift, I almost immediately went back to the Step
 framework [0] since it was so much easier to understand but still 

[Lift] Re: Lift is awesome (with reservations)

2009-12-25 Thread Erkki Lindpere
Eh... sorry, ignore the point about Box in the previous message. I
looked it up while posting but forgot to delete that paragraph. I do
understand where it may be useful in some cases.

On Dec 26, 2:19 am, Erkki Lindpere vill...@gmail.com wrote:
 I mostly agree with what David said and I'll add this:

 * I think _? and _! in methods come from Ruby, but they don't fit the
 naming conventions in Java/Scala (I think Scala should mostly follow
 Java conventions with some exceptions). This is a really minor point
 though.

 * object User extends User with MetaMegaProtoUser[User]. ProtoUser
 should just go away, the namings are ridiculous and it mixes HTML with
 persistence. Luckily one can just ignore the whole mapper module.

 * Some exceptions seem to just get eaten and I have no idea where
 things went wrong

 * I haven't taken a closer look at Box yet, but I understand that they
 are like Option, but have a third possibility of capturing an
 exceptional situation. Is this really better than using Exceptions?
 While Java's checked exceptions may have proven to be a failure, I
 don't think it's necessary.

 * there are several classes that have lots of methods in them that
 don't all belong together. For example: S, LiftRules, I'm sure there's
 more. Some packages have too many classes as well. I think there
 should be a cleaner separation of concerns.

 * I find Lift to be generally concept-heavy and invents new concepts
 instead of reusing well-known ones. You have to know much to use it
 effectively. I do not think Lift in it's current form is usable for
 average developers. Maybe that isn't the goal, but this makes me
 think there should be a post-Lift framework that takes all the good
 things, makes it better structured and documented and generally more
 usable by normal people :)

 Disclaimer: a lot of this might come from the fact that I'm not very
 used to functional programming. Even as I've used Scala almost daily
 for a year and a half (and even a little bit at my day job) I find
 Lift's programming style foreign at times. I would really prefer a
 more OO solution in quite a few places where Lift solves things in a
 functional way.

 Erkki L

 On Dec 25, 11:55 pm, David Flemström david.flemst...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  On Friday 25 December 2009 20:09:10 Timothy Perrett wrote: It would be 
  really good for us as a team to know what it is you *dont*
   get? Is it conceptual? code? If we can understand what is daunting for
   newbies that would really be helpful.

  I think that Mr. Lindpere basically made this pretty clear:
  - The structure of Lift is too messy
  - The documentation is unstructured
  - Lift is not easy enough to understand without having to look at varying
  amounts of examples.

  However, since I understand that these points are pretty... vague, I will
  elaborate with my own experience (which still is pretty on-topic) I had one
  year ago when I started using Lift. I'll try to picture the way I thought 
  back
  then.

  - It is difficult to track exactly how a request is handled: it goes through
  views/dispatchPF's, and then it suddenly ends up reading a HTML file with
  lift: tags inside of it, or not... Then there are the various hooks that
  come into play, and overridden snippet definitions, snippets fetching 
  templates
  on their own, SiteMap entries that can override default request paths, and 
  so
  on. At the end of the day, you just use that site map/menu system in
  combination with Mapper, comet actor, or whatever, without really having a
  clue about how it works. You cannot tell which path the request took or 
  where
  to expect it to be next without looking at the Lift source code. Something
  that would really help would be a clear flow chart that you could show 
  newbies
  and that depicted the path of a request in Lift (including all of the forks 
  it
  could take). That would be pretty helpful.

  - The once clean model/view separation isn't so clean any more. The prime
  example is of course MappedTextarea that is mentioned over and over again
  (with its height/width), but even in classes such as ProtoUser, you find 
  view
  code that doesn't belong.

  - Lift doesn't really contain newbie-friendly building blocks that can be
  reused easily. E.g. there's ProtoUser which is a black box of example code,
  instead of something more true to the Scala way of doing things  like User
  with LastName with EmailField with Password... that would make the modules
  useful and actually reusable. When I asked about how to remove the email 
  field
  from ProtoUser and how to replace it with an OpenID, I got the response 
  that I
  should copy-paste the code from ProtoUser into a new class and do the
  integration myself. The whole construct simply isn't useful.

  - The API isn't consistent. Sometimes you find methods à la cached_? and
  sometimes isCached, sometimes methods use Box[]es for no apparent reason,
  sometimes you use objects and sometimes vals and 

[Lift] Re: Lift is awesome (with reservations)

2009-12-25 Thread Erkki Lindpere
Well, I'm not sure if I completely get it yet or if I can summarize
well enough, but:

I should look at Lift through more functional programming goggles,
some things in it don't make a lot of sense when looked through OO
goggles.

From looking through some of the docs, examples and sources, I have a
basic understanding now about how the requests are served: what rules
can be defined in LiftRules during the Boot process and by what
conventions templates, snippets and other stuff are looked up. I don't
know how to summarize it though.

Erkki L

On Dec 25, 4:51 pm, greekscala hellectro...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 I would like to hear more about, how you get lift. I am new to lift
 too and trying to get a better and clearer viewpoint.

 Maybe it can help others to. If you can summarize it in a few
 sentences.
 This would be really great.


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[Lift] Re: Lift is awesome (with reservations)

2009-12-25 Thread Erkki Lindpere
I think the best things I think you could do to help newbies is
document in a well-structured way:

* all the conventions over configuration rules
* what classes to use for the basic stuff (what is S for and how it
should be used, all the things you can do with LiftRules, etc.)
* more advanced uses of bind(...) in snippets
* better docs for the Lift tags.

On Dec 25, 9:09 pm, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.eu wrote:
 It would be really good for us as a team to know what it is you *dont*
 get? Is it conceptual? code? If we can understand what is daunting for
 newbies that would really be helpful.

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[Lift] Sending malformed HTML in custom dispatch

2009-12-25 Thread tommycli
I'm using custom dispatch (to handle both XML  media files). Often, I
will want to send a page that contains user-inputted (X)HTML. This
will often be malformed HTML that is nevertheless rendered fine by a
modern browser.

How would I send this through? I tried PlainTextResponse, but it sends
the wrong mime type and shows up as well... plaintext. And
XHtmlResponse requires valid XHTML.

Is there any response that sends a String and claims that it's (x)
html?

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