Re: [Lightning-dev] Can I try Lightning without running a fully-fledged bitcoin block chain?

[Christian Decker]

Dear Mahesh,

as interesting as the discussion of alternative blockchain storage it,
it is probably off-topic for the Lightning mailing list. So I'd suggest
taking this discussion to either the bitcoin-dev or bitcoin-core-dev
mailing lists.

Cheers,
Christian

Mahesh Govind <mah...@digiledge.com> writes:
> Could we use similar technique used in hyperledger to prune the chain .
> Pruning based on consensus ?
> -mahesh
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM, ZmnSCPxj via Lightning-dev <
> lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Good morning Segue,
>>
>> Please consider creating an implementation of this idea for bitcoind and
>> share it on bitcoin-dev.  Then please make a pull request on
>> github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin for this.
>>
>> Regards,
>> ZmnSCPxj
>>
>>
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>>
>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>> On March 27, 2018 11:26 AM, Segue <012mist...@frankentrikes.com> wrote:
>>
>> Developers,
>>
>>
>> On THIS note and slightly off-topic but relevant, why can't chunks of
>> blockchain peel off the backend periodically and be archived, say on
>> minimum of 150 computers across 7 continents?
>>
>> It seems crazy to continue adding on to an increasingly long chain to
>> infinity if the old chapters (i.e. more than, say, 2 years old) could be
>> stored in an evenly distributed manner across the planet.  The same 150
>> computers would not need to store every chapter either, just the index
>> would need to be widely distributed in order to reconnect with a chapter if
>> needed.
>>
>> Then maybe it is no longer a limitation in the future for people like
>> Yubin.
>>
>> Segue
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/26/18 6:12 PM, lightning-dev-requ...@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote:
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:56:05 +0100
>> From: Federico Tenga <federicote...@gmail.com> <federicote...@gmail.com>
>> To: Yubin Ruan <ablacktsh...@gmail.com> <ablacktsh...@gmail.com>
>> Cc: lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
>> Subject: Re: [Lightning-dev] Can I try Lightning without running a
>>  fully-fledged bitcoin block chain?
>> Message-ID:
>>  

Re: [Lightning-dev] Can I try Lightning without running a fully-fledged bitcoin block chain?

[Mahesh Govind]

Could we use similar technique used in hyperledger to prune the chain .
Pruning based on consensus ?
-mahesh

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM, ZmnSCPxj via Lightning-dev <
lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> Good morning Segue,
>
> Please consider creating an implementation of this idea for bitcoind and
> share it on bitcoin-dev.  Then please make a pull request on
> github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin for this.
>
> Regards,
> ZmnSCPxj
>
>
> Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com> Secure Email.
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On March 27, 2018 11:26 AM, Segue <012mist...@frankentrikes.com> wrote:
>
> Developers,
>
>
> On THIS note and slightly off-topic but relevant, why can't chunks of
> blockchain peel off the backend periodically and be archived, say on
> minimum of 150 computers across 7 continents?
>
> It seems crazy to continue adding on to an increasingly long chain to
> infinity if the old chapters (i.e. more than, say, 2 years old) could be
> stored in an evenly distributed manner across the planet.  The same 150
> computers would not need to store every chapter either, just the index
> would need to be widely distributed in order to reconnect with a chapter if
> needed.
>
> Then maybe it is no longer a limitation in the future for people like
> Yubin.
>
> Segue
>
>
>
> On 3/26/18 6:12 PM, lightning-dev-requ...@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote:
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:56:05 +0100
> From: Federico Tenga <federicote...@gmail.com> <federicote...@gmail.com>
> To: Yubin Ruan <ablacktsh...@gmail.com> <ablacktsh...@gmail.com>
> Cc: lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> Subject: Re: [Lightning-dev] Can I try Lightning without running a
>   fully-fledged bitcoin block chain?
> Message-ID:
>   

Re: [Lightning-dev] Can I try Lightning without running a fully-fledged bitcoin block chain?

[ZmnSCPxj via Lightning-dev]

Good morning Segue,

Please consider creating an implementation of this idea for bitcoind and share 
it on bitcoin-dev.  Then please make a pull request on 
github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin for this.

Regards,
ZmnSCPxj

Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On March 27, 2018 11:26 AM, Segue <012mist...@frankentrikes.com> wrote:

> Developers,
>
> On THIS note and slightly off-topic but relevant, why can't chunks of 
> blockchain peel off the backend periodically and be archived, say on minimum 
> of 150 computers across 7 continents?
>
> It seems crazy to continue adding on to an increasingly long chain to 
> infinity if the old chapters (i.e. more than, say, 2 years old) could be 
> stored in an evenly distributed manner across the planet.  The same 150 
> computers would not need to store every chapter either, just the index would 
> need to be widely distributed in order to reconnect with a chapter if needed.
>
> Then maybe it is no longer a limitation in the future for people like Yubin.
>
> Segue
>
> On 3/26/18 6:12 PM, lightning-dev-requ...@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote:
>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:56:05 +0100
>> From: Federico Tenga
>> [<federicote...@gmail.com>](mailto:federicote...@gmail.com)
>> To: Yubin Ruan
>> [<ablacktsh...@gmail.com>](mailto:ablacktsh...@gmail.com)
>> Cc:
>> lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
>> Subject: Re: [Lightning-dev] Can I try Lightning without running a
>>  fully-fledged bitcoin block chain?
>> Message-ID:
>> [

Re: [Lightning-dev] Can I try Lightning without running a fully-fledged bitcoin block chain?

[Segue]

Developers,

On THIS note and slightly off-topic but relevant, why can't chunks of 
blockchain peel off the backend periodically and be archived, say on 
minimum of 150 computers across 7 continents?


It seems crazy to continue adding on to an increasingly long chain to 
infinity if the old chapters (i.e. more than, say, 2 years old) could be 
stored in an evenly distributed manner across the planet.  The same 150 
computers would not need to store every chapter either, just the index 
would need to be widely distributed in order to reconnect with a chapter 
if needed.


Then maybe it is no longer a limitation in the future for people like Yubin.

Segue


On 3/26/18 6:12 PM, lightning-dev-requ...@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote:

Message: 2
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:56:05 +0100
From: Federico Tenga<federicote...@gmail.com>
To: Yubin Ruan<ablacktsh...@gmail.com>
Cc:lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Lightning-dev] Can I try Lightning without running a
    fully-fledged bitcoin block chain?
Message-ID:

Re: [Lightning-dev] Can I try Lightning without running a fully-fledged bitcoin block chain?

[Federico Tenga]

You can try pruning, you will still have to validate the whole chain so it
takes time, but you won't need to store all the blockchain on your disk.

On 17 March 2018 at 10:02, Yubin Ruan  wrote:

> I just don't have so much space for a storing the whole blockchain on my
> laptop.
>
> Yubin
>
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Re: [Lightning-dev] Can I try Lightning without running a fully-fledged bitcoin block chain?

[Aleksej]

I don't see why running a pruning node wouldn't work.
You might want to try that.

Aleksej

On Sat, 2018-03-17 at 17:02 +0800, Yubin Ruan wrote:
> I just don't have so much space for a storing the whole blockchain on
> my
> laptop.
> 
> Yubin
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