Re: Waltrop meeting outline
On 2012-08-24 02:25, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Hey Jan, could you put the following agenda item up for discussion? Change font license from GPL to dual licensed OFL / GPL (see http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsiid=OFL_web) I'm fine with any relicensing of my lilypond contributions. Cheers, Reinhold -- -- Reinhold Kainhofer, reinh...@kainhofer.com, http://www.kainhofer.com * Financial Actuarial Math., Vienna Univ. of Technology, Austria * http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.at/, DVR: 0005886 * Edition Kainhofer, Music Publisher, http://www.edition-kainhofer.com ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Waltrop meeting outline
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 09:25:55PM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Change font license from GPL to dual licensed OFL / GPL (see http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsiid=OFL_web) We have agreement of this from the people who were here: Author: Janek Warchol lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com Author: Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org Author: Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de (*) - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Waltrop meeting outline
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 09:25:55PM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Change font license from GPL to dual licensed OFL / GPL (see http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsiid=OFL_web) We have agreement of this from the people who were here: Author: Janek Warchol lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com Author: Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org Author: Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de (*) IIRC, it was also agreed by those present that it would be a good idea to change to GPL with font exception for the GPL part of the dual licensing so that people would not prefer OFL merely because it fit font usage requirements better. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
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David Kastrup writes: IIRC, it was also agreed by those present that it would be a good idea to change to GPL with font exception for the GPL part of the dual licensing so that people would not prefer OFL merely because it fit font usage requirements better. What I said was that we already have the font exception for the font, only we do not call it that: GNU GPL + FE [Font Exception]. It could be helpful to use that term. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Waltrop meeting outline
Thanks, I'm almost on the way! Am 26.08.2012 um 02:07 schrieb David Kastrup: pls p.l.schm...@gmx.de writes: I'll try to be in Brambauer at 11:09. If you haven't ordered food yet I'd take the Broccoli al Forno. Otherwise: no problem. If possible, call when you are in the subway. 02309-782756 landline, probably less reliable fallback 016092087547. I'll call the cook in the morning (probably getting the answering machine, but that should suffice). -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Waltrop meeting outline
Hey all, does anybody mind me joining you tomorrow? We've been working on some improvements of musicxml2ly. Our efforts are published on https://github.com/Philomelos/lilypond-musicxml2ly-dev. There is more to come... We have also developed a basic scm2xml-export (no export of the layout). We are looking for a way to contribute it to LilyPond. So I hope to see you tomorrow?! Cheers patrick Am 19.08.2012 um 15:02 schrieb David Kastrup: Details are still somewhat fuzzy since I don't have all that much feedback concerning who will arrive when and leave, but there are some corner points. Apparently Janek will be arriving in advance. No details yet as to his exact travel time and accommodation wishes: like anybody else not having mentioned anything, I count on him bringing sleeping bag or other bedcloths. Marc mentioned coming as well as Rodolfo. Rodolfo wanted to talk about using LilyPond in a professional print environment, as they are starting a new series of printed music books (Musik aus Schweizer Klöstern). As Marc was not able to work the stock instrument I can offer here, he was thinking of bringing his left-handed guitar. I have no precise idea about the exact dates of those two participants and whether it might make sense for them to organize sharing a car part of the trip (Munich and Zurich, IIRC). Harm/Thomas Morley intended to come on Saturday, stay probably until Monday and camp on the premises. John and Graham will be there essentially the whole time, John bringing a sleeping bag. We'll find a bed for Graham since he does not own a sleeping bag and arrives by plane. Mike arrives on Saturday noonish and will leave on Tuesday noonish. I'll dig out suitable connections for people arriving at Düsseldorf by flight/high speed train later. The schedule would focus on stable release work and criteria on Friday, with the goal of getting most participants hands-on experience or at least exposure to GUB work. Coursework goal is the release of 2.16, and getting the computing facilities up and running. Saturday and Sunday are focused on programming courses. Nils Gey asked for the best single day to come and talk about Laborejo and likely also music production in general, and I considered Sunday to be likely best fit. We'll probably put pure/unpure and other backend programming stuff from user level on Saturday, also general Scheme programming and frontend syntax stuff. On the weekend, I would like to squeeze in at least some entry-level garbage-collection and other Guile/C++ interaction and possibly some what kind of syntax can be achieved and debugged at the C++ level with reasonable effort discussion, with the more heavy-handed stuff being put on Monday. In case of let's see what kind of release work we can get done, 2.17.0 might be possible on Sunday or Monday. We should at least arrive at a good agreement about how to tackle the humongous 2148 merge which is definitely called for post-2.17.0. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-u...@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Waltrop meeting outline
2012/8/25 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Sleeping space will be a bit cramped unless you can camp here. Just now across the room Jan Nieuwenhuizen has revived some work of his from a year ago with Rodolfo in the area of MusicXML export, so we obviously have some interest in that area, and it would seem interesting to share views and experience. Hey, thanks for the photo! Have fun, -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
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Sleeping space is not an issue. I have a sleeping bag, a pad and a tent. But as I almost live in commuting distance I might go back home in the evening. When will you start tomorrow morning? I'm looking forward to meet you all! patrick Am 25.08.2012 um 11:05 schrieb David Kastrup: pls p.l.schm...@gmx.de writes: Hey all, does anybody mind me joining you tomorrow? We've been working on some improvements of musicxml2ly. Our efforts are published on https://github.com/Philomelos/lilypond-musicxml2ly-dev. There is more to come... We have also developed a basic scm2xml-export (no export of the layout). We are looking for a way to contribute it to LilyPond. So I hope to see you tomorrow?! Sleeping space will be a bit cramped unless you can camp here. Just now across the room Jan Nieuwenhuizen has revived some work of his from a year ago with Rodolfo in the area of MusicXML export, so we obviously have some interest in that area, and it would seem interesting to share views and experience. lilywalt.jpg -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
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pls p.l.schm...@gmx.de writes: Sleeping space is not an issue. I have a sleeping bag, a pad and a tent. But as I almost live in commuting distance I might go back home in the evening. When will you start tomorrow morning? I suppose that sometimes around 10:00 we'll gravitate from breakfast to the meeting room. I was going to order food for tomorrow, the outlet does Indian, Italian, Chinese, and German (Google finds them as URL:http://www.lieferheld.de/datteln/journal/, but I am not sure this is the best link. It does seem to show the menu.). So check out what you want to get from there. See you -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
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I'll try to be in Brambauer at 11:09. If you haven't ordered food yet I'd take the Broccoli al Forno. Otherwise: no problem. See you. p Am 25.08.2012 um 13:46 schrieb David Kastrup: pls p.l.schm...@gmx.de writes: Sleeping space is not an issue. I have a sleeping bag, a pad and a tent. But as I almost live in commuting distance I might go back home in the evening. When will you start tomorrow morning? I suppose that sometimes around 10:00 we'll gravitate from breakfast to the meeting room. I was going to order food for tomorrow, the outlet does Indian, Italian, Chinese, and German (Google finds them as URL:http://www.lieferheld.de/datteln/journal/, but I am not sure this is the best link. It does seem to show the menu.). So check out what you want to get from there. See you -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
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pls p.l.schm...@gmx.de writes: I'll try to be in Brambauer at 11:09. If you haven't ordered food yet I'd take the Broccoli al Forno. Otherwise: no problem. If possible, call when you are in the subway. 02309-782756 landline, probably less reliable fallback 016092087547. I'll call the cook in the morning (probably getting the answering machine, but that should suffice). -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Waltrop meeting outline
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl wrote: I wish you a lot of fun and inspiration at the Waltrop LilyPond meeting! Likewise. Greetings from Paris (only 41.5°C today, yay!); sorry not to be with you guys, but I wish you a lot of fun and have no doubt that things will be both entertaining and interesting. Please just remember to take a few pictures and notes for the upcoming LilyPond Report! (And remember to disable BW mode on your cameras, unlike me last month with Joe ;-) Cheers, Valentin. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
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On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.netwrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl wrote: I wish you a lot of fun and inspiration at the Waltrop LilyPond meeting! Likewise. Greetings from Paris (only 41.5°C today, yay!); sorry not to be with you guys, but I wish you a lot of fun and have no doubt that things will be both entertaining and interesting. Please just remember to take a few pictures and notes for the upcoming LilyPond Report! (And remember to disable BW mode on your cameras, unlike me last month with Joe ;-) Don't forget that we also took a photo (color, presumably) with Ngoc's camera. Unfortunately, it seems that I have some trouble in arranging to have a computer, camera, and USB cable all in the same place... Cheers, Joe ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
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David Kastrup writes: I would like to arrive Friday early evening and stay till at least late Saturday night, possibly Sunday too. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
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Am 22.08.2012 20:29, schrieb m...@mikesolomon.org: On 22 août 2012, at 20:24, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: [...] I'll take the sleeping bag and sleeping pad if you can bring them - I only have a pillow and toothbrush. I put it in the car. See you soon! Marc ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
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Hi guys, I wish you a lot of fun and inspiration at the Waltrop LilyPond meeting! -- MT ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
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Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org writes: I would like to arrive Friday early evening and stay till at least late Saturday night, possibly Sunday too. Excellent. How are you fitted regarding sleeping bag/mat/tent/camper? The two Musescore developers have booked into a hotel next town (Waltrop itself is pretty much booked solid), so it is conceivable that I need to organize transportation anyway (the bus connections on the weekend are a bit weak) and can ask them just where exactly they found cover. Of course, staying on the premise is more convenient, though compromising comfort. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
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Am 23.08.2012 10:19, schrieb David Kastrup: Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org writes: I would like to arrive Friday early evening and stay till at least late Saturday night, possibly Sunday too. Excellent. How are you fitted regarding sleeping bag/mat/tent/camper? The two Musescore developers have booked into a hotel next town (Waltrop itself is pretty much booked solid), so it is conceivable that I need to organize transportation anyway (the bus connections on the weekend are a bit weak) and can ask them just where exactly they found cover. Of course, staying on the premise is more convenient, though compromising comfort. I can offer my car for such cases. I think I'll arrive at Waltrop early evening (depending on the traffic, maps.google.com estimates five and a half hours from here). Regards, Marc ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
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Hey Jan, could you put the following agenda item up for discussion? Change font license from GPL to dual licensed OFL / GPL (see http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsiid=OFL_web) I grepped through the git log, and it seems we have the following contributors to the font: Author: Aleksandr Andreev aleksandr.andr...@gmail.com Author: Bertrand Bordage bordage.bertr...@gmail.com Author: Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu Author: Carsten Steger carsten.ste...@googlemail.com (*) Author: Glen Prideaux glenpride...@iname.com Author: Han-Wen Nienhuys han...@xs4all.nl Author: Janek Warchol lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com Author: Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org Author: Jurgen Reuter j...@web.de Author: Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de (*) Author: Mats Bengtsson mats.bengts...@s3.kth.se Author: Maximilian Albert maximilian.alb...@gmail.com Author: Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@kainhofer.com (*) Author: Tom Cato Amundsen t...@gnu.org (*) Author: Werner Lemberg w...@gnu.org [ (*) marks small contributions, eg one glyph only] I've noticed that not many font creators will be present, but maybe it will be helpful to discuss with those present (janek and marc) what they think. Contrary to earlier plans, I will actually be at home this weekend, so if someone is willing to setup a hangout (google.com/hangout), I'd be happy to show up virtually. cheers, On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org wrote: David Kastrup writes: I would like to arrive Friday early evening and stay till at least late Saturday night, possibly Sunday too. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - han...@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
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David Kastrup writes: Excellent. How are you fitted regarding sleeping bag/mat/tent/camper? No camper. staying on the premise is more convenient, though compromising comfort. That's sounds just swell. As today is GUB day, I'll see if I can make it late afternoon instead of early evening. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Waltrop meeting outline
Am 19.08.2012 22:29, schrieb Janek Warchoł: On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:02 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Details are still somewhat fuzzy since I don't have all that much feedback concerning who will arrive when and leave, but there are some corner points. Apparently Janek will be arriving in advance. No details yet as to his exact travel time and accommodation wishes: like anybody else not having mentioned anything, I count on him bringing sleeping bag or other bedcloths. I will bring a sleeping bag - shall i take a sleeping pad, too? Also, do you have any spare pillows perchance? I can offer a sleeping bag, a big tent for four persons and two sleeping pads ... I'll check my mails tomorrow before 12:00 o'clock, so if anyone needs anything, feel free to write a short message. Regards, Marc cheers, Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-u...@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Waltrop meeting outline
On 22 août 2012, at 20:24, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Am 19.08.2012 22:29, schrieb Janek Warchoł: On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:02 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Details are still somewhat fuzzy since I don't have all that much feedback concerning who will arrive when and leave, but there are some corner points. Apparently Janek will be arriving in advance. No details yet as to his exact travel time and accommodation wishes: like anybody else not having mentioned anything, I count on him bringing sleeping bag or other bedcloths. I will bring a sleeping bag - shall i take a sleeping pad, too? Also, do you have any spare pillows perchance? I can offer a sleeping bag, a big tent for four persons and two sleeping pads ... I'll check my mails tomorrow before 12:00 o'clock, so if anyone needs anything, feel free to write a short message. Regards, Marc cheers, Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-u...@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel I'll take the sleeping bag and sleeping pad if you can bring them - I only have a pillow and toothbrush. Cheers, MS ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
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Rodolfo Zitellini xhero...@gmail.com writes: I can confirm I will arrive from Fribourg Friday 24th at 15:21 in Dortmund, I still have figure out the time it will take with the U41. See the previous posting with the travel details. You'll need a type B local transport ticket. I will leave sometime in the morning of tuesday, as my plane in Cologne leaves at 14.44. I will be arriving by train, so if someone is based in Swiss or near we can arrange for the trip (or to share a car, as David proposed) I will bring my sleeping bag, should I bring a sleeping pad too? Makes things more flexible if it has a reasonable size. I would like to be present all day the 24th, but I am not sure I can make it the 23th. One topic I think would also be nice to touch is promoting LilyPond and how we can valorize all the music that is in Mutopia (I saw, for example, that there are much of Bach's organ works). Also we can continue to discuss on how to speed up compiling music - as this is one of the first things everyone notices (but it takes 40 minutes to create the book!). People are spoiled rotten. I've had moderate success promoting text-critical typesetting taking about that amount of time on an average computer for a thousand-page book. The established process I had problems competing with took about 8 weeks of outsourced manual labor (people working with scissor and paper) per iteration. With aesthetically inferior results (admittedly, at the time I did the presentation it was more of a toss-up). What are 40 minutes? At last, how are we organized for the food? I love cooking, so if needed I will gladly give a hand. There is not much of organization ahead. I'll start buying basic stuff soonish. The basic provisions I'll organize in advance will likely include substandard amounts of meat as my own expertise dealing with meat is quite limited. I expect to haggle out the details as more people arrive. It is a reasonable expectation that we'll order out at some date (Sunday noonish?), barbeque, do pizza (it's rather low effort to do dough/sauce), have noodles at one point of time. I'll certainly be glad for people pitching in with cooking/shopping, but one has to match the taken efforts to the number of eaters, so really complex food preparation is likely not feasible. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
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On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 5:48 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: I would like to be present all day the 24th, but I am not sure I can make it the 23th. One topic I think would also be nice to touch is promoting LilyPond and how we can valorize all the music that is in Mutopia (I saw, for example, that there are much of Bach's organ works). Also we can continue to discuss on how to speed up compiling music - as this is one of the first things everyone notices (but it takes 40 minutes to create the book!). People are spoiled rotten. I've had moderate success promoting text-critical typesetting taking about that amount of time on an average computer for a thousand-page book. The established process I had problems competing with took about 8 weeks of outsourced manual labor (people working with scissor and paper) per iteration. With aesthetically inferior results (admittedly, at the time I did the presentation it was more of a toss-up). What are 40 minutes? well, while I partially concur with you, this is not an argument I can use with my boss :) Rodolfo ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
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On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:02 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Details are still somewhat fuzzy since I don't have all that much feedback concerning who will arrive when and leave, but there are some corner points. Apparently Janek will be arriving in advance. No details yet as to his exact travel time and accommodation wishes: like anybody else not having mentioned anything, I count on him bringing sleeping bag or other bedcloths. Marc mentioned coming as well as Rodolfo. Rodolfo wanted to talk about using LilyPond in a professional print environment, as they are starting a new series of printed music books (Musik aus Schweizer Klöstern). As Marc was not able to work the stock instrument I can offer here, he was thinking of bringing his left-handed guitar. I have no precise idea about the exact dates of those two participants and whether it might make sense for them to organize sharing a car part of the trip (Munich and Zurich, IIRC). Harm/Thomas Morley intended to come on Saturday, stay probably until Monday and camp on the premises. John and Graham will be there essentially the whole time, John bringing a sleeping bag. We'll find a bed for Graham since he does not own a sleeping bag and arrives by plane. Mike arrives on Saturday noonish and will leave on Tuesday noonish. I'll dig out suitable connections for people arriving at Düsseldorf by flight/high speed train later. The schedule would focus on stable release work and criteria on Friday, with the goal of getting most participants hands-on experience or at least exposure to GUB work. Coursework goal is the release of 2.16, and getting the computing facilities up and running. Saturday and Sunday are focused on programming courses. Nils Gey asked for the best single day to come and talk about Laborejo and likely also music production in general, and I considered Sunday to be likely best fit. We'll probably put pure/unpure and other backend programming stuff from user level on Saturday, also general Scheme programming and frontend syntax stuff. On the weekend, I would like to squeeze in at least some entry-level garbage-collection and other Guile/C++ interaction and possibly some what kind of syntax can be achieved and debugged at the C++ level with reasonable effort discussion, with the more heavy-handed stuff being put on Monday. In case of let's see what kind of release work we can get done, 2.17.0 might be possible on Sunday or Monday. We should at least arrive at a good agreement about how to tackle the humongous 2148 merge which is definitely called for post-2.17.0. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel I can confirm I will arrive from Fribourg Friday 24th at 15:21 in Dortmund, I still have figure out the time it will take with the U41. I will leave sometime in the morning of tuesday, as my plane in Cologne leaves at 14.44. I will be arriving by train, so if someone is based in Swiss or near we can arrange for the trip (or to share a car, as David proposed) I will bring my sleeping bag, should I bring a sleeping pad too? I would like to be present all day the 24th, but I am not sure I can make it the 23th. One topic I think would also be nice to touch is promoting LilyPond and how we can valorize all the music that is in Mutopia (I saw, for example, that there are much of Bach's organ works). Also we can continue to discuss on how to speed up compiling music - as this is one of the first things everyone notices (but it takes 40 minutes to create the book!). If there is a way I can help as a programmer I will be certainly glad to (not that I am that good, but... :). I will bring my computer along - it is a macbook, if we need to try LilyPond on macosx (10.7.4, not upgraded yet :), but I can create a Linux VM for developing in this environment if needed. At last, how are we organized for the food? I love cooking, so if needed I will gladly give a hand. Ciao! Rodolfo ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
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On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 03:02:29PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: The schedule would focus on stable release work and criteria on Friday, with the goal of getting most participants hands-on experience or at least exposure to GUB work. Coursework goal is the release of 2.16, and getting the computing facilities up and running. I'll reboot my university desktop into 10.04 so that we can build releases on it. I'll also bring a USB stick with the GUB repo and all downloaded source files for GUB so that we don't need to download 750 megs, for anybody who wants to try GUB on their own laptops. I assume that you have wifi? and will get a VGA projector for at least Friday, Saturday, and Sunday? - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
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Am 19.08.2012 15:02, schrieb David Kastrup: Details are still somewhat fuzzy since I don't have all that much feedback concerning who will arrive when and leave, but there are some corner points. Apparently Janek will be arriving in advance. No details yet as to his exact travel time and accommodation wishes: like anybody else not having mentioned anything, I count on him bringing sleeping bag or other bedcloths. Marc mentioned coming as well as Rodolfo. Rodolfo wanted to talk about using LilyPond in a professional print environment, as they are starting a new series of printed music books (Musik aus Schweizer Klöstern). As Marc was not able to work the stock instrument I can offer here, he was thinking of bringing his left-handed guitar. I have no precise idea about the exact dates of those two participants and whether it might make sense for them to organize sharing a car part of the trip (Munich and Zurich, IIRC). Well, sort-of. My location is about 2 hours from Munich in northern direction, but if anyone wants to share the car with me, this would be o.k. for me (at least if he/she doesn't bring something like a Hammond organ to the meeting; in this case space would be ... quite limited ;-) And yes, I'll take my guitar with me, and my wife will be joining, too, but not the lilypond meeting – she'll take the car and will do some day trips around Waltrop. I hope she'll be back in time each night so I have a place to sleep ;-) If everything (babysitters etc.) works as expected, I'll be at Waltrop about Thursday evening and could stay until the bitter end ;-) If some tent and/or sleeping bag is needed, give me a call – the car is big enough to bring some more stuff to Waltrop (except for Hammond organs, see above). Looking forward to meet you all, Marc ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
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Wow, this sounds very interesting and I am really sad, that I can not join this meeting. Will you record and publish parts on video or audio? Well, of course there has to be a somewhat recordable prepared presentation ... someone preparing and presenting. I hope you have a somewhat successful meeting and a good time together ;) Cheers, Jan-Peter Am 19.08.2012 um 15:02 schrieb David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Details are still somewhat fuzzy since I don't have all that much feedback concerning who will arrive when and leave, but there are some corner points. Apparently Janek will be arriving in advance. No details yet as to his exact travel time and accommodation wishes: like anybody else not having mentioned anything, I count on him bringing sleeping bag or other bedcloths. Marc mentioned coming as well as Rodolfo. Rodolfo wanted to talk about using LilyPond in a professional print environment, as they are starting a new series of printed music books (Musik aus Schweizer Klöstern). As Marc was not able to work the stock instrument I can offer here, he was thinking of bringing his left-handed guitar. I have no precise idea about the exact dates of those two participants and whether it might make sense for them to organize sharing a car part of the trip (Munich and Zurich, IIRC). Harm/Thomas Morley intended to come on Saturday, stay probably until Monday and camp on the premises. John and Graham will be there essentially the whole time, John bringing a sleeping bag. We'll find a bed for Graham since he does not own a sleeping bag and arrives by plane. Mike arrives on Saturday noonish and will leave on Tuesday noonish. I'll dig out suitable connections for people arriving at Düsseldorf by flight/high speed train later. The schedule would focus on stable release work and criteria on Friday, with the goal of getting most participants hands-on experience or at least exposure to GUB work. Coursework goal is the release of 2.16, and getting the computing facilities up and running. Saturday and Sunday are focused on programming courses. Nils Gey asked for the best single day to come and talk about Laborejo and likely also music production in general, and I considered Sunday to be likely best fit. We'll probably put pure/unpure and other backend programming stuff from user level on Saturday, also general Scheme programming and frontend syntax stuff. On the weekend, I would like to squeeze in at least some entry-level garbage-collection and other Guile/C++ interaction and possibly some what kind of syntax can be achieved and debugged at the C++ level with reasonable effort discussion, with the more heavy-handed stuff being put on Monday. In case of let's see what kind of release work we can get done, 2.17.0 might be possible on Sunday or Monday. We should at least arrive at a good agreement about how to tackle the humongous 2148 merge which is definitely called for post-2.17.0. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Waltrop meeting outline
Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de writes: And yes, I'll take my guitar with me, and my wife will be joining, too, but not the lilypond meeting – she'll take the car and will do some day trips around Waltrop. I hope she'll be back in time each night so I have a place to sleep ;-) If you don't want her to get too far, check out URL:http://www.waltroper-parkfest.de. The weather permitting, this country fair will provide entertainment and food for accompanying persons Friday to Sunday. It is €6 per day/wristband (non-transferable), and €7.50 for a three-day pass (consisting of one wristband voucher per day, so three different people can use this ticket on three different days). I'd have to buy the three-day passes in advance, so if you consider it likely to have people make use of this offer, holler in advance. If everything (babysitters etc.) works as expected, I'll be at Waltrop about Thursday evening and could stay until the bitter end ;-) Sounds good. If some tent and/or sleeping bag is needed, give me a call – the car is big enough to bring some more stuff to Waltrop (except for Hammond organs, see above). I'll do a head count in a few days. Looking forward to meet you all, Same here! -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Waltrop meeting outline
Am 19.08.2012 19:12, schrieb David Kastrup: Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de writes: And yes, I'll take my guitar with me, and my wife will be joining, too, but not the lilypond meeting – she'll take the car and will do some day trips around Waltrop. I hope she'll be back in time each night so I have a place to sleep ;-) If you don't want her to get too far, check out URL:http://www.waltroper-parkfest.de. Looks very promising! The weather permitting, this country fair will provide entertainment and food for accompanying persons Friday to Sunday. It is €6 per day/wristband (non-transferable), and €7.50 for a three-day pass (consisting of one wristband voucher per day, so three different people can use this ticket on three different days). I'd have to buy the three-day passes in advance, so if you consider it likely to have people make use of this offer, holler in advance. If you could buy a three-day ticket for me, that would be great! Thanks in advance, Regards, Marc ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Waltrop meeting outline
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:02 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Details are still somewhat fuzzy since I don't have all that much feedback concerning who will arrive when and leave, but there are some corner points. Apparently Janek will be arriving in advance. No details yet as to his exact travel time and accommodation wishes: like anybody else not having mentioned anything, I count on him bringing sleeping bag or other bedcloths. I will bring a sleeping bag - shall i take a sleeping pad, too? Also, do you have any spare pillows perchance? cheers, Janek ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
