Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key
Joe, all votes are in except yours, which is kind of a moot point anyway, since (if you're still up for it) you'll be the one actually making this change: 1) basic-distanceminimum-distance 2) initial-distanceminimum-distance 3) basic-separation minimum-separation 4) initial-separation minimum-separation Alexander: 1 Carl: 1 David: 1 Joe: Mark: 1 Patrick: 2 Trevor: 4 Valentin:2 #1 is the clear winner. And now that the vertical spacing grob-properties have all been renamed, this change will be the last syntax change in this department for now, as far as I'm aware. So to be unambiguously clear, the final decision is to rename the 'space alist-key to 'basic-distance. Are you still up for making the change yourself? Let me know if you want me to take care of the text part of the English docs, or something. Unless you're some sort of regex master, that is. In which case, enjoy the challenge! Once this is done, I'll prepare a CHANGES update. Thanks. - Mark ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key
On 2010-11-07 16:30, Mark Polesky wrote: [...] SPACE MINIMUM-DISTANCE -- -- 1) basic-distanceminimum-distance 2) initial-distanceminimum-distance 3) basic-separation minimum-separation 4) initial-separation minimum-separation Alexander, I hope you don't feel disenfranchised, [...] I didn't even know that word until now, so I can't possibly be. ;-) I'm by no means offended, and I very much appreciate the thoughts and work you invested in this topic; far more than I'm able to do. It's nothing personal, and I hope you understand! Of course - you're welcome. Trying to sum up: Alexander: 1 Carl: 1 David: 1 Joe: Mark: 1 Patrick: 2 Trevor: 4 Valentin: 2 Doesn't look like my opinion is underrepresented, by the way... ;-) Cheers, Alexander ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key
Mark Polesky wrote Sunday, November 07, 2010 12:46 AM Carl Sorensen wrote: 9) initial-separation * longer but describes the meaning more accurately now we have an item-item-spacing format I vote for 8 or 9. 9. Does this entail changing 'minimum-distance to 'minimum-separation? I prefer both to use the same noun. Yes, it would. I think the choice between the two comes down to how the descriptive text looks. At present I have no clear preference. Trevor ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key
After polling some of you individually, the clear winner is to change the 'space key to 'basic-distance. Joe, can you take it from here? Thanks all. - Mark ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key
Mark, since you were the only one to vote for this openly and Carl, Alexander and I didn't (well, Carl did initially, then changed his mind) perhaps you need to be a little more open about the voting process or you'll have Valentin after you :) Since you chose to have an open vote it should remain open and transparent to the end. Trevor - Original Message - From: Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com To: lilypond-devel lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu; Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk Cc: Joe Neeman joenee...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 8:59 AM Subject: Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key After polling some of you individually, the clear winner is to change the 'space key to 'basic-distance. Joe, can you take it from here? Thanks all. - Mark ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: Mark, since you were the only one to vote for this openly and Carl, Alexander and I didn't (well, Carl did initially, then changed his mind) perhaps you need to be a little more open about the voting process or you'll have Valentin after you :) Since you chose to have an open vote it should remain open and transparent to the end. What, you haven't heard? This was already discussed and voted on lilypond-coders (a private mailing list that is a subset of -hackers, the existence of which most lilypond-hackers members don't even know about :-) My vote would have been initial-distance, but basic-distance is fine too. And the good thing with public mailing list archives is that if someone does object, well they'll know who to yell at :-) Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key
Trevor Daniels wrote: Mark, since you were the only one to vote for this openly and Carl, Alexander and I didn't (well, Carl did initially, then changed his mind) perhaps you need to be a little more open about the voting process or you'll have Valentin after you :) Since you chose to have an open vote it should remain open and transparent to the end. Sorry, I stayed up too late and I wasn't thinking clearly, and somehow I got the mistaken sense that people were getting tired of voting. Additionally, it looks like I misread a half-quoted post of yours here: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-11/msg00146.html But you're right; I was wrong to resort to backroom politics. Sorry again, and thanks for calling me out so civilly! All right, hopefully everyone here won't mind one last vote, so please state your preference among the following: SPACE MINIMUM-DISTANCE -- -- 1) basic-distanceminimum-distance 2) initial-distanceminimum-distance 3) basic-separation minimum-separation 4) initial-separation minimum-separation Alexander, I hope you don't feel disenfranchised, since your previous choices didn't make it past the primaries. Your vote counts, but your previous choices were in the clear minority. It's nothing personal, and I hope you understand! So, there are at least 7 people with a vested interest. Please fill in your votes below with your preference among the 4 choices above. Anyone else wanting to vote, feel free to add your name to this list. I've already filled in mine. Alexander: Carl: David: Joe: Mark: 1 Trevor: Valentin: Thanks. - Mark ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: But you're right; I was wrong to resort to backroom politics. Backroom politics? And here I was, thinking private discussions were a normal and legitimate part of a project's life... :) Here's your list with my humble update, anyways. Alexander: Carl: David: Joe: Mark: 1 Trevor: Valentin: 2 Cheers, Valentin. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: All right, hopefully everyone here won't mind one last vote, so please state your preference among the following: SPACE MINIMUM-DISTANCE -- -- 1) basic-distance minimum-distance 2) initial-distance minimum-distance 3) basic-separation minimum-separation 4) initial-separation minimum-separation Here's my vote: Alexander: Carl: David: Joe: Mark: 1 Patrick: 2 Trevor: Valentin: 2 Thanks, Patrick ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key
Alexander: Carl: David: 1 Joe: Mark: 1 Trevor: Valentin: 2 -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key
Mark Polesky wrote Sunday, November 07, 2010 3:30 PM All right, hopefully everyone here won't mind one last vote, so please state your preference among the following: SPACE MINIMUM-DISTANCE -- -- 1) basic-distanceminimum-distance 2) initial-distanceminimum-distance 3) basic-separation minimum-separation 4) initial-separation minimum-separation Alexander: Carl: David: Joe: Mark: 1 Trevor: 4 Valentin: Trevor ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key
On 11/7/10 1:03 PM, Patrick McCarty pnor...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: All right, hopefully everyone here won't mind one last vote, so please state your preference among the following: SPACE MINIMUM-DISTANCE -- -- 1) basic-distance minimum-distance 2) initial-distance minimum-distance 3) basic-separation minimum-separation 4) initial-separation minimum-separation Here's my vote: Alexander: Carl: 1 David: Joe: Mark: 1 Patrick: 2 Trevor: Valentin: 2 Thanks, Patrick Thanks, Carl ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Renaming the 'space alist-key
7 proposals for renaming the 'space alist-key have been discussed, but a decision has not yet been made. And I just added an 8th proposal (initial-distance). The discussion began with the 7 posts starting here: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-10/msg00085.html ...and continued with the 3 posts starting here: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-10/msg00359.html To recap, I think the arguments *for* each of these are mostly self-evident, so the list here only includes the arguments *against* those that have been opposed: 1) default-distance * sounds like the program's default, not the user's 2) optimal-distance * sounds like the resulting trade-off between the desired distance and situational spacing constraints 3) desired-distance 4) requested-distance 5) base-distance * sounds like the distance between bases 6) unstretched-distance * sounds like space can only stretch, not compress 7) basic-distance 8) initial-distance I vote for either 7 or 8. What about you? - Mark ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key
On 11/6/10 11:32 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: 7 proposals for renaming the 'space alist-key have been discussed, but a decision has not yet been made. And I just added an 8th proposal (initial-distance). To recap, I think the arguments *for* each of these are mostly self-evident, so the list here only includes the arguments *against* those that have been opposed: 1) default-distance * sounds like the program's default, not the user's 2) optimal-distance * sounds like the resulting trade-off between the desired distance and situational spacing constraints 3) desired-distance 4) requested-distance 5) base-distance * sounds like the distance between bases 6) unstretched-distance * sounds like space can only stretch, not compress 7) basic-distance 8) initial-distance I vote for either 7 or 8. What about you? 3 or 7 Thanks, Carl ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key
Mark Polesky wrote Saturday, November 06, 2010 5:32 PM 7 proposals for renaming the 'space alist-key have been discussed, but a decision has not yet been made. And I just added an 8th proposal (initial-distance). To recap, I think the arguments *for* each of these are mostly self-evident, so the list here only includes the arguments *against* those that have been opposed: 1) default-distance * sounds like the program's default, not the user's 2) optimal-distance * sounds like the resulting trade-off between the desired distance and situational spacing constraints 3) desired-distance 4) requested-distance 5) base-distance * sounds like the distance between bases 6) unstretched-distance * sounds like space can only stretch, not compress 7) basic-distance 8) initial-distance I vote for either 7 or 8. What about you? 9) initial-separation * longer but describes the meaning more accurately now we have an item-item-spacing format I vote for 8 or 9. Trevor ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key
On 11/6/10 5:38 PM, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: Mark Polesky wrote Saturday, November 06, 2010 5:32 PM 7) basic-distance 8) initial-distance I vote for either 7 or 8. What about you? 9) initial-separation * longer but describes the meaning more accurately now we have an item-item-spacing format I vote for 8 or 9. 9. Carl ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key
On 2010-11-06 18:32, Mark Polesky wrote: 7 proposals for renaming the 'space alist-key have been discussed, but a decision has not yet been made. And I just added an 8th proposal (initial-distance). [...] 2) optimal-distance * sounds like the resulting trade-off between the desired distance and situational spacing constraints 3) desired-distance [...] 5) base-distance * sounds like the distance between bases [...] This might complicate it, but 2, 3 or 5, with decreasing preference. Sorry for not being active anymore in the recent discussions, by the way. Cheers, Alexander ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key
Carl Sorensen wrote: 9) initial-separation * longer but describes the meaning more accurately now we have an item-item-spacing format I vote for 8 or 9. 9. Does this entail changing 'minimum-distance to 'minimum-separation? I prefer both to use the same noun. - Mark ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key
On 11/6/10 6:46 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Carl Sorensen wrote: 9) initial-separation * longer but describes the meaning more accurately now we have an item-item-spacing format I vote for 8 or 9. 9. Does this entail changing 'minimum-distance to 'minimum-separation? I prefer both to use the same noun. Yes, I'm OK with minimum-separation, where separation is the separation between reference points. But I'm fine with 8 as well -- with all the work we've done on distance it may be better to just stay with distance. Carl ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
