Re: outside-staff-priority with slur and hairpin
Jonathan Wilkes wrote Friday, September 18, 2009 6:51 AM --- On Thu, 9/17/09, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: Have you not read the Learning Manual? The Notation Reference assumes you have. This is explained in considerable detail in section 4.4.3. Sorry, I wasn't very clear. I wanted to know why I can't just set Hairpin to #1 and the Slur to #2 for 'outside-staff-priority. And I forgot to search the LM before posting. Yes, I've read (but not memorized) the LM, and I see that overriding the 'outside-staff-priority for DynamicLineSpanner works while using the same override for Hairpin does not. Yet nothing in the section you refer to states that DynamicLineSpanner is the *only* way to change 'outside-staff-priority for a dynamic. You make a valid point here. One one hand it should be obvious that you have to change the property in the correct object, but OTOH it is not obvious what the correct object is when spanners are involved. This is mentioned in the LM, but at some distance from the section on grobs and interfaces. At the end of 4.5.1 there's a table of object names that need to be tweaked to move various objects, including dynamics. I'll add a forward reference to that. Perhaps there should also be a gentle introduction to spanners in the LM. These are discussed in the Notation Reference (section 5.4.6), but that is a little fierce for starters. I'll think about that. There's a paragraph in LM 4.3.1 that says [regarding properties of objects]: Before we tackle this, let us remember that object properties are grouped in what are called interfaces – see Properties found in interfaces. This is simply to group together those properties that may be used together to tweak a graphical object – if one of them is allowed for an object, so are the others. Some objects then use the properties in some interfaces, others use them from other interfaces. The interfaces which contain the properties used by a particular grob are listed in the IR at the bottom of the page describing that grob, and those properties may be viewed by looking at those interfaces. So when it says properties are allowed for an object, what exactly does that mean? Also, what does it mean to say the properties used by a particular grob? I'm not a programmer, so some of this is a little difficult to grasp, but by the logic of that paragraph what I'm getting is that 'outside-staff-priority is a property that is allowed for Hairpin objects (because I know 'transparent works on Hairpins and is part of the grob interface), is used by Hairpin objects (because grob-interface is listed at the bottom of the IR for Hairpin), but still cannot be used to make the Hairpin go below the Slur in my example. This is not easily explained. An object has -access- to all the properties listed in the interfaces it supports, but it does not necessarily honor them. The difficulty is that there is no general rule that can be used to discover which properties have an effect on a particular grob and which do not. In this case one has to know that hairpins are spanners (because they start and end at different musical moments), and spanners are positioned by the appropriate spanner object. Thanks for your comments - they are what I need to help me to understand how the LM might be improved. Trevor ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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midi2ly (continued)
Hi,
I posted earlier my problems with midi2ly.
midi2ly is no longer supported, sorry was the reaction I got.
So I decided to try to fix the problems I was having, while at
the same time learning to program some Python.
The main problem I wanted to fix first:
Midifile format-1 files often (always ?) have the time signature (and
tempo) information in the very first track, but without any notes.
midi2ly reads this track, but does not print it because it contains no
notes. Result: a tune in 3/4 time will still be printed in 4/4 time.
I worked out 2 different workarounds:
1. midi2ly will print the first track even if it contains no notes, to
make sure the other tracks are printed in the correct time signature.
Looks ugly, but is working.
2. I have added a new command line option --time (or -T) that allows the
user to override the timesignature in track 1 with a global time
signature for all tracks. ( Problem: time-changes ) This will give a
prettier looking score, because the empty track 1 will not be printed in
this case.
While working on it I did some more work on the command line options:
-P --partial=DURlet's you specify an upbeat value.
Does fix some problems with some midifiles
--skip If selected use 's' for rests,
default is 'r' (was 's')
-w --warranty Was not working. fixed easily
-s, -d I have added a default value for
note-on and duration quantization. I have
choosen a value of '16'
Other things I changed:
- I re-used the variable program_version in more places in the script
- I use the input file name as title in a header block
- I use the comment tag also as tagline in a header block
TODO: lot's of things like polyphony in one staff (buggy), barchecks
and barscounts when time signature changes, and probably more.
I believe, while it is still far from perfect, my version is better that
what we currently have. But because this is my very first work
using Python and still feel insecure with this friendly language, I
think other people should first give it a try, and - if they have the
expertise - take a look at the Python code.
After that the good things can go to the GIT. ( I'm not very good with
that git stuff either )
attached: my version of midi2ly. Please try and enjoy (or not ... don't
overwrite your current version of midi2ly just yet ;-)
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#!/usr/bin/python
#
# midi2ly.py -- LilyPond midi import script
#
# source file of the GNU LilyPond music typesetter
#
# (c) 1998--2009 Han-Wen Nienhuys han...@xs4all.nl
# Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org
'''
TODO:
* test on weird and unquantised midi input (lily-devel)
* update doc and manpage and translations
* simply insert clef changes whenever too many ledger lines
[to avoid tex capacity exceeded]
* do not ever quant skips
* better lyrics handling
* [see if it is feasible to] move ly-classes to library for use in
other converters, while leaving midi specific stuff here
* split notes that cross barlines, use ties
* find a more elegant solution to use the time and tempo events from
the first, often noteless, trackA in midifile format 1 files.
* better handling of polyphony in one staff.
* make barcheck and barcount work even after meter changes
* split midifile format-0 files into separate tracks ??
* test and debug using more, complex example MIDI files
'''
import os
import sys
This generic code used for all python scripts.
The quotes are to ensure that the source .py file can still be
run as a python script, but does not include any sys.path handling.
Otherwise, the lilypond-book calls inside the build
might modify installed .pyc files.
program_version = '2.13.3'
program_name = sys.argv[0]
authors = ('Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org',
'Han-Wen Nienhuys han...@xs4all.nl')
for d in ['/usr/share/lilypond/%s' % ( program_version ),
'/usr/lib/lilypond/%s' % ( program_version )]:
sys.path.insert (0, os.path.join (d, 'python'))
# dynamic relocation, for GUB binaries.
bindir = os.path.abspath (os.path.dirname (sys.argv[0]))
for p in ['share', 'lib']:
datadir = os.path.abspath (bindir + '/../%s/lilypond/current/python/' % p)
sys.path.insert (0, datadir)
import midi
import lilylib as ly
global _;_=ly._
## CONSTANTS
LINE_BELL = 60
scale_steps = [0, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11]
global_options = None
clocks_per_1 = 1536
clocks_per_4 = 0
time = 0
reference_note = 0
start_quant_clocks = 0
duration_quant_clocks = 0
allowed_tuplet_clocks = []
errorport = sys.stderr
def identify ():
sys.stdout.write ('%s (GNU LilyPond) %s\n' % (program_name,
program_version))
def warranty ():
Re: Fine-tuning of markup positions
MarcHohl wrote:
Is there a different approach I can use?
If the three-part \fill-line is so dominant,
I suppose you have to cope using ordinary lines.
But \concat and \with-dimensions might make this easier to twiddle:
maintain total \hspace by hand.
matrix = \markup {
\override #'(baseline-skip . 2.2)
\center-column {
\concat {
\with-dimensions #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0) a
\hspace #3
\with-dimensions #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0) b
\hspace #3
\with-dimensions #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0) c
}
\concat {
\with-dimensions #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0) d
\hspace #3
\with-dimensions #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0) e
\hspace #3
\with-dimensions #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0) f
}
\concat {
\with-dimensions #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0) g
\hspace #3
\with-dimensions #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0) h
\hspace #3
\with-dimensions #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0) i
}
}
}
Cheers,
Robin
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Re: Fine-tuning of markup positions
Robin Bannister schrieb:
MarcHohl wrote:
Is there a different approach I can use?
If the three-part \fill-line is so dominant, I suppose you have to
cope using ordinary lines.
But \concat and \with-dimensions might make this easier to twiddle:
maintain total \hspace by hand.
matrix = \markup {
\override #'(baseline-skip . 2.2)
\center-column {\concat {
\with-dimensions #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0) a
\hspace #3
\with-dimensions #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0) b \hspace #3
\with-dimensions #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0) c}
\concat {
\with-dimensions #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0) d
\hspace #3
\with-dimensions #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0) e \hspace #3
\with-dimensions #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0) f}
\concat {
\with-dimensions #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0) g
\hspace #3
\with-dimensions #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0) h \hspace #3
\with-dimensions #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0) i}
}
}
Works just great, thank you!
Marc
Cheers,
Robin
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cancelling \RemoveEmptyStaffContext
Hello all,
If I have an \include file which contains a
\context { \RemoveEmptyStaffContext }
and I want to use the \include file [for the rest of its contents]
but *not* have the \RESC, how can I cancel it in the file where
I've got the \include?
Thanks,
Kieren.
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Re: cancelling \RemoveEmptyStaffContext
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Am Freitag, 18. September 2009 15:07:22 schrieb Kieren MacMillan:
Hello all,
If I have an \include file which contains a
\context { \RemoveEmptyStaffContext }
and I want to use the \include file [for the rest of its contents]
but *not* have the \RESC, how can I cancel it in the file where
I've got the \include?
I haven't tried this out, but it might work to revert the changes that RESC
does to the Staff context:
\context {
\Staff
\consists Axis_group_engraver
\remove Hara_kiri_engraver
\revert Beam #'auto-knee-gap
\revert VerticalAxisGroup #'remove-empty
}
After all, \RESC is just a shortcut for certain changes to the \Staff context::
RemoveEmptyStaffContext = \context {
\Staff
\remove Axis_group_engraver
\consists Hara_kiri_engraver
\override Beam #'auto-knee-gap = #'()
\override VerticalAxisGroup #'remove-empty = ##t
}
Cheers,
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Re: cancelling \RemoveEmptyStaffContext
Hi Reinhold,
it might work to revert the changes that RESC does to the Staff
context:
\context {
\Staff
\consists Axis_group_engraver
\remove Hara_kiri_engraver
\revert Beam #'auto-knee-gap
\revert VerticalAxisGroup #'remove-empty
}
After all, \RESC is just a shortcut for certain changes to the
\Staff context::
RemoveEmptyStaffContext = \context {
\Staff
\remove Axis_group_engraver
\consists Hara_kiri_engraver
\override Beam #'auto-knee-gap = #'()
\override VerticalAxisGroup #'remove-empty = ##t
}
I ended up discovering that on my own just now — but thanks for the
confirmation!
Is there any way that *doesn't* require knowing what's in \RESC, so
that my scores are future-proofed?
Thanks,
Kieren.
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Re: cancelling \RemoveEmptyStaffContext
Kieren, the solution that I sent to you (and where I mistakenly forgot
to Cc the mailing list) was wrong. What I had in mind was that it should
work to add the lines
\layout{
RemoveEmptyStaffContext= \context {
\Staff
}
}
above your \include line, i.e. before the parser first sees the
\RemoveEmptyStaffContext.
As far as I can understand, the trick that Reinhold proposed that
reverts the setting, will only work if you apply them below the \include
line, right?
/Mats
Kieren MacMillan wrote:
Hello all,
If I have an \include file which contains a
\context { \RemoveEmptyStaffContext }
and I want to use the \include file [for the rest of its contents] but
*not* have the \RESC, how can I cancel it in the file where I've got
the \include?
Thanks,
Kieren.
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Re: cancelling \RemoveEmptyStaffContext
Unless you're dealing with a great number of previously-existing
files, I would put this type of information in its own file (maybe
with other layout prefs) and then create two versions of that file.
I'm sure you know the trick, and it is cumbersome, but it only need be
done once.
Otherwise, that's the limit of my Pond'ering at this point!
Neil
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Kieren MacMillan
kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote:
Hi Reinhold,
it might work to revert the changes that RESC does to the Staff context:
\context {
\Staff
\consists Axis_group_engraver
\remove Hara_kiri_engraver
\revert Beam #'auto-knee-gap
\revert VerticalAxisGroup #'remove-empty
}
After all, \RESC is just a shortcut for certain changes to the \Staff
context::
RemoveEmptyStaffContext = \context {
\Staff
\remove Axis_group_engraver
\consists Hara_kiri_engraver
\override Beam #'auto-knee-gap = #'()
\override VerticalAxisGroup #'remove-empty = ##t
}
I ended up discovering that on my own just now — but thanks for the
confirmation!
Is there any way that *doesn't* require knowing what's in \RESC, so that my
scores are future-proofed?
Thanks,
Kieren.
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Re: cancelling \RemoveEmptyStaffContext [SOLUTION]
Hi Mats,
it should work to add the lines
\layout {
RemoveEmptyStaffContext = \context {
\Staff
}
}
above your \include line, i.e. before the parser first sees the
\RemoveEmptyStaffContext.
And the winner is... Mats! =)
As desired, this cancels the effect of \RESC *without* any need to
know what \RESC does in the first place — thanks!
the trick that Reinhold proposed that reverts the setting,
will only work if you apply them below the \include line, right?
Yes... but that's a moot point now. ;)
Cheers,
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\stemUp etc can inhibit key signature change
I'm laying out a piece of piano music which is monophonic, but with the notes
passing frequently from hand to hand. For the performer's convenience I notate
it on two staves. For my own convenience, I'm coding it as if there is only one
strand of music, and I use \change Staff as necessary. I use the stem-direction
commands \stemDown, \stemUp and \stemNeutral on occasion, to distinguish
left-hand from right-hand notes when they are on the same stave.
However, changes of key signature do not always affect both staves. It seems
that using stem-direction commands causes this buggy behaviour, and not using
them causes changes of key signature to affect both staves just as they should.
I am using Lilypond 2.12.2.
%% begin example lilypond file
\include english.ly
global =
{
\key a \major
s1
\key c \major
s1
}
pianoMusic =
{
\relative a, { \change Staff = lh \stemDown a4 \stemUp e' \change Staff =
rh cs' e }
\relative c { \change Staff = lh \stemNeutral c g' \change Staff = rh
e' c' }
}
pianoMusicLH =
{
\clef bass
}
\score
{
% Note that \pianoMusic works only if it is put in lh (which is the staff
in which the piano music starts).
\new PianoStaff
\new Staff = rh \global
\new Staff = lh \global \pianoMusic \pianoMusicLH
\layout { }
} % score
%% end example lilypond file
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lily2image
Hi Jon and Patrick, I found your script lily2image in the archives (http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.general/41125) and tried it out. Unfortunately I got a bus error: patrick-schmidts-computer:~ PLS$ lily2image -r=72 -f=png /Users/PLS/Music/LilyPond/Test/Minimalbeispiele/tie.ly Output format is png... Resolution set to 72 DPI... lilypond --format=png -dresolution=72 tie.ly GNU LilyPond 2.13.3 /Users/PLS/bin/lily2image: line 559: 7239 Bus error lilypond --include=$HOME --format=png -dresolution=$resolution $srcfile lilypond failed - lily2image aborting netpbm is installed. I installed it via sudo port install netpbm so I should have netpbm version 10.26.61. (Mac OS X 10.4.11) Maybe you have an idea of what could have gone wrong. (I also tried it with LilyPond 2.13.4. Same result.) Thanks for any hint. patrick -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Frescobaldi and rumor are in Debian now
Op vrijdag 18 september 2009, schreef rosea grammostola: Frescobaldi (Debian testing) and Rumor (unstable) are in Debian now! Nice! best regards, Wilbert Berendsen -- Frescobaldi, LilyPond editor for KDE: http://www.frescobaldi.org/ Nederlands LilyPond forum: http://www.lilypondforum.nl/ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lily2image
Hi Patrick, It looks like you don't have your machine set up for command-line usage on Mac (there's a page in Application Usage about this: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond-program/Setup-for-MacOS-X#Setup-for-MacOS-X If you've already done this then I'm not sure what the problem is. Do you normally run LP from the command line on Mac? Jon On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Patrick Schmidt p.l.schm...@gmx.dewrote: Hi Jon and Patrick, I found your script lily2image in the archives ( http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.general/41125) and tried it out. Unfortunately I got a bus error: patrick-schmidts-computer:~ PLS$ lily2image -r=72 -f=png /Users/PLS/Music/LilyPond/Test/Minimalbeispiele/tie.ly Output format is png... Resolution set to 72 DPI... lilypond --format=png -dresolution=72 tie.ly GNU LilyPond 2.13.3 /Users/PLS/bin/lily2image: line 559: 7239 Bus error lilypond --include=$HOME --format=png -dresolution=$resolution $srcfile lilypond failed - lily2image aborting netpbm is installed. I installed it via sudo port install netpbm so I should have netpbm version 10.26.61. (Mac OS X 10.4.11) Maybe you have an idea of what could have gone wrong. (I also tried it with LilyPond 2.13.4. Same result.) Thanks for any hint. patrick -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: outside-staff-priority with slur and hairpin
--- On Fri, 9/18/09, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: From: Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk Subject: Re: outside-staff-priority with slur and hairpin To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com, lilypond-user@gnu.org Date: Friday, September 18, 2009, 10:22 AM Jonathan Wilkes wrote Friday, September 18, 2009 6:51 AM --- On Thu, 9/17/09, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: Have you not read the Learning Manual? The Notation Reference assumes you have. This is explained in considerable detail in section 4.4.3. Sorry, I wasn't very clear. I wanted to know why I can't just set Hairpin to #1 and the Slur to #2 for 'outside-staff-priority. And I forgot to search the LM before posting. Yes, I've read (but not memorized) the LM, and I see that overriding the 'outside-staff-priority for DynamicLineSpanner works while using the same override for Hairpin does not. Yet nothing in the section you refer to states that DynamicLineSpanner is the *only* way to change 'outside-staff-priority for a dynamic. You make a valid point here. One one hand it should be obvious that you have to change the property in the correct object, but OTOH it is not obvious what the correct object is when spanners are involved. This is mentioned in the LM, but at some distance from the section on grobs and interfaces. At the end of 4.5.1 there's a table of object names that need to be tweaked to move various objects, including dynamics. I'll add a forward reference to that. Perhaps there should also be a gentle introduction to spanners in the LM. These are discussed in the Notation Reference (section 5.4.6), but that is a little fierce for starters. I'll think about that. There's a paragraph in LM 4.3.1 that says [regarding properties of objects]: Before we tackle this, let us remember that object properties are grouped in what are called interfaces – see Properties found in interfaces. This is simply to group together those properties that may be used together to tweak a graphical object – if one of them is allowed for an object, so are the others. Some objects then use the properties in some interfaces, others use them from other interfaces. The interfaces which contain the properties used by a particular grob are listed in the IR at the bottom of the page describing that grob, and those properties may be viewed by looking at those interfaces. So when it says properties are allowed for an object, what exactly does that mean? Also, what does it mean to say the properties used by a particular grob? I'm not a programmer, so some of this is a little difficult to grasp, but by the logic of that paragraph what I'm getting is that 'outside-staff-priority is a property that is allowed for Hairpin objects (because I know 'transparent works on Hairpins and is part of the grob interface), is used by Hairpin objects (because grob-interface is listed at the bottom of the IR for Hairpin), but still cannot be used to make the Hairpin go below the Slur in my example. This is not easily explained. An object has -access- to all the properties listed in the interfaces it supports, but it does not necessarily honor them. The difficulty is that there is no general rule that can be used to discover which properties have an effect on a particular grob and which do not. In this case one has to know that hairpins are spanners (because they start and end at different musical moments), and spanners are positioned by the appropriate spanner object. I think this is the most difficult part of using Lilypond that I've come up against. Currently I'm using the IR as a kind of quick reference manual- if I need to tweak something like how long a hairpin should be, I just go to Hairpin and find what seems like the right property. But as your explanation (and others on this list) point to, there's a lot more to take into consideration to get the right property (e.g., 'font-size vs. 'zigzag-width for the width of the trill continuation glyph). -Jonathan Thanks for your comments - they are what I need to help me to understand how the LM might be improved. Trevor ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Text editor
Greetings - While I continue to try to emacs to work on my Ubuntu installation, I have a related question. ConTEXT, my favorite text editor for LilyPond and ABC on my WinXP machine, has recently gone open source. Has anyone successfully ported (is that the correct term? Compiled for?) ConTEXT to Linux? If so, would you be willing to help me get ConTEXT going on my Ubuntu machine? My programming skills are minimal. If we're successful, I'd be happy to share the process with others. Ralph -- Ralph Palmer Montague City, MA USA palmer.r.vio...@gmail.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Text editor
2009/9/18 Ralph Palmer palmer.r.vio...@gmail.com: ConTEXT, my favorite text editor for LilyPond and ABC on my WinXP machine, has recently gone open source. Has anyone successfully ported (is that the correct term? Compiled for?) ConTEXT to Linux? If so, would you be willing to help me get ConTEXT going on my Ubuntu machine? My programming skills are minimal. If we're successful, I'd be happy to share the process with others. Your best bet is probably to install Wine and run it under emulation. Though I'm not familiar with ConTEXT, I've just downloaded it and it seems to work fine with Wine. If you don't have Wine installed, you can get it via Synaptic or directly from the shell by typing the following: sudo apt-get install wine Then it's just a matter of downloading the ConTEXT .exe and right-clicking on it to select `Open with Wine Windows Program Loader'; this will install it just like a Windows program. Regards, Neil ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: outside-staff-priority with slur and hairpin
Jonathan Wilkes wrote Friday, September 18, 2009 7:12 PM --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: The difficulty is that there is no general rule that can be used to discover which properties have an effect on a particular grob and which do not. In this case one has to know that hairpins are spanners (because they start and end at different musical moments), and spanners are positioned by the appropriate spanner object. I think this is the most difficult part of using Lilypond that I've come up against. Currently I'm using the IR as a kind of quick reference manual- if I need to tweak something like how long a hairpin should be, I just go to Hairpin and find what seems like the right property. But as your explanation (and others on this list) point to, there's a lot more to take into consideration to get the right property (e.g., 'font-size vs. 'zigzag-width for the width of the trill continuation glyph). Most of the time your approach will work, which is why I chose to outline it in the Learning Manual, but there are a number of situations where it breaks down. Fortunately these tend to arise only when tackling fairly esoteric typesetting problems, so only the more experienced users are affected by them. But some of them, like using DynamicLineSpanner, are more common, and these should be covered in the Learning Manual, IMO. BTW, I've added a new para to the LM to avoid the particular problem you encountered. It should appear in the docs to 2.13.4. And I intend to add an intro to spanners too, but that might miss the next release as it will take a little longer. Trevor ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
markers indicating a semitone bowing markers....
I am a new user to Lilypond and Im a Viola player. Typesetting music for string players is my interest. 1) What I would like to do is use a circumflex to mark a semitone. This is widely used by string teachers but I cannot see how to do it in Lilypond. For example e f would be written (roughly) e^f but it would be nicer than this where the little hat, or circumflex, is evenly over the two notes e and f. Is there a command in lilypond to do this ? 2) i also found the upbow and downbow markers, but I could not find other bowing annotations, like where on the bow one should play, that is, middle heel point etc ... Are there commands in lilypond for this ? 3) Finally there is another common marking used by string players to indicate holding a particular finger down while others are being played. This is typically a line underneath the stave that continues for the duration that the finger must be held down and is labelled with a number to indicate which finger is being held down. This is perhaps complicated but is there a means to do this in Lilypond ? Paul ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
