Re: Question about missing accidentals, and banishing stems
Am 3/27/12 2:15 AM, schrieb Michael Welsh Duggan:
Robert Schmausrobert.schm...@web.de writes:
the whole music is defined in a single cadenza with manual barlines in
between. so, from pov of lilypond, all the music is in one bar, thus,
the second ees doesn't sport an accidental.
Thank you. Quite clear, and fixed in my sources.
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012, at 09:01 PM, Michael Welsh Duggan wrote:
I was writing some experimental lilypond in preparation for writing some
music functions. The following lilypond file creates two variables
which contain a line of notes and a line of lyrics together in a cons
cell. The score attempts to join the two. Output is attached. The
question is, why is the e-flat in the second part not getting its
accidental printed? (The e-flat in the first part prints just fine.)
Hi Michael,
there's one thing about the forced accidentals that is not quite nice:
you may be left with a complete mess if you try to transpose the score.
as in the following example:
\score {
\new Staff {
\clef treble
\key f \major
\cadenzaOn
\relative c' {
c^\markup{ forced accidentals } ees fis bes
c, ees! fis! bes
}
\bar |
\cadenzaOff
c' c' c' c' % reset the accidentals ...
\cadenzaOn
\transpose c des \relative c' {
c^\markup{ forced accidentals + transposition } ees fis bes
c, ees! fis! bes
}
}
}
The transposed version is absolute rubbish ...
Thus, I'm sure there are better ways to handle the accidentals in your
case. one way might be to remove time signature engravers and then use
the exact signatures for each bar.
so, your example would become something like
\time 14/4
g( a g f) f a( bf c) \l c( bf) a( bf) \l g( \l a)
\time 15/4
f( a) c \l c( d ef d c d c) bf( a) bf( c) \l a
etc.
then, lilypond would handle correct accidentals itself ...
Maybe someone has a better idea ... there's amazing things that can be
done with Schema, but unfortunately not by me ...
Best,
Robert
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Re: Help needed creating a Mac OS X installer for Frescobaldi
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 12:11 AM, vic hug xelnagazch...@hotmail.com wrote: hello, seems to work here (mbpro 15 early 2011 osx 10.6.8), but can't find Lilypond, asks to check for lily path and permissions and i don't see where i should indicate the path. Anyway, i'm starting with updating Lilypond, which i haven't done in quite a time. And does lilypond work on osx 10.7 ? because download page says no... thanks for porting frescobaldi to mac btw :) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user Thanks to all for your reports! * 10.5 support: For the moment I'm unsure on how to support this, as I packaged python + qt compiled with macports using the default system compiler, I have to study a bit on how to have compatibility. @Philippe: can you please try running Frescobaldi directly on the terminal: frescobaldi.app/Contents/MacOS/frescobaldi It is possible that it has some conflicts since you already have the libs for frescobaldi installed (it should not, but nevertheless...) In the next few days I fill try to figure out the various quirks with runnin lilypond (I admit I always use it directly from the cmdline :) @Wilbert: I will try to pack a bit the mods/additions and send you something :) Ciao! Rodolfo ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question about missing accidentals, and banishing stems
2012/3/27 Robert Schmaus robert.schm...@web.de:
The transposed version is absolute rubbish ...
Not so, if there is a key which is also transposed. Keys are usually
transposed too, right?
\score {
\new Staff {
\clef treble
%\key f \major
\cadenzaOn
\relative c' { \key f \major
c^\markup{ forced accidentals } ees fis bes
c, ees! fis! bes
}
\bar |
\cadenzaOff
c' c' c' c' % reset the accidentals ...
\cadenzaOn
\transpose c des \relative c' { \key f \major
c^\markup{ forced accidentals + transposition } ees fis bes
c, ees! fis! bes
}
}
}
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www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com
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Re: Question about missing accidentals, and banishing stems
of course - the correct approach would have been to transpose the whole
staff instead of just a bar ... 10 points go to spain, I guess ...
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 09:27 AM, Francisco Vila wrote:
2012/3/27 Robert Schmaus robert.schm...@web.de:
The transposed version is absolute rubbish ...
Not so, if there is a key which is also transposed. Keys are usually
transposed too, right?
\score {
\new Staff {
\clef treble
%\key f \major
\cadenzaOn
\relative c' { \key f \major
c^\markup{ forced accidentals } ees fis bes
c, ees! fis! bes
}
\bar |
\cadenzaOff
c' c' c' c' % reset the accidentals ...
\cadenzaOn
\transpose c des \relative c' { \key f \major
c^\markup{ forced accidentals + transposition } ees fis bes
c, ees! fis! bes
}
}
}
--
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www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com
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Re: Question about missing accidentals, and banishing stems
2012/3/27 Robert Schmaus robert.schm...@web.de: of course - the correct approach would have been to transpose the whole staff instead of just a bar ... 10 points go to spain, I guess ... I'd just like to stress the fact of that LilyPond does a nice job at handling key signatures, accidentals, forced accidentals, suggested accidentals, courtesy accidentals and transposition, even when mixing this all. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Help needed creating a Mac OS X installer for Frescobaldi
Hello, Here is the message I receive when running from the command line : imac-de-philippe-massart:~ philippe$ /Users/philippe/Desktop/frescobaldi.app/Contents/MacOS/frescobaldi Traceback (most recent call last): File /opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages/cx_Freeze/initscripts/Console.py, line 27, in module exec code in m.__dict__ File frescobaldi, line 3, in module File /Users/philippe/Desktop/frescobaldi.app/Contents/MacOS/frescobaldi_app/main.py, line 41, in module import po.setup # Setup language File /Users/philippe/Desktop/frescobaldi.app/Contents/MacOS/frescobaldi_app/po/setup.py, line 74, in module setup() File /Users/philippe/Desktop/frescobaldi.app/Contents/MacOS/frescobaldi_app/po/setup.py, line 59, in setup language = current() File /Users/philippe/Desktop/frescobaldi.app/Contents/MacOS/frescobaldi_app/po/setup.py, line 46, in current if not language or language.isNull(): AttributeError: 'unicode' object has no attribute 'isNull' I tried to run it from the Applications folder, but it didn't change anything. Philippe Le 27 mars 2012 à 09:21, Rodolfo Zitellini a écrit : Thanks to all for your reports! * 10.5 support: For the moment I'm unsure on how to support this, as I packaged python + qt compiled with macports using the default system compiler, I have to study a bit on how to have compatibility. @Philippe: can you please try running Frescobaldi directly on the terminal: frescobaldi.app/Contents/MacOS/frescobaldi It is possible that it has some conflicts since you already have the libs for frescobaldi installed (it should not, but nevertheless...) In the next few days I fill try to figure out the various quirks with runnin lilypond (I admit I always use it directly from the cmdline :) @Wilbert: I will try to pack a bit the mods/additions and send you something :) Ciao! Rodolfo ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: inner-outer margin two-sided print
MING TSANG wrote: In both cases the output is the same. Did you see the warning produced by this snippet? margins do not fit with line-width, setting default values There may be other problems, but I think yout current problem is that you haven't foreseen any width for the binding-offset. This warning disappears when binding-offset is zero. So I would suggest NOT setting line-width; comment it out and let it be determined by what binding-offset you choose. Cheers, Robin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question about missing accidentals, and banishing stems
Does the accidental-style forget work for your case? Am 26.03.2012 18:05, schrieb Robert Schmaus: Hi Michael, the whole music is defined in a single cadenza with manual barlines in between. so, from pov of lilypond, all the music is in one bar, thus, the second ees doesn't sport an accidental. Use ees! to force the accidental ... Best, Robert On Sun, Mar 25, 2012, at 09:01 PM, Michael Welsh Duggan wrote: I was writing some experimental lilypond in preparation for writing some music functions. The following lilypond file creates two variables which contain a line of notes and a line of lyrics together in a cons cell. The score attempts to join the two. Output is attached. The question is, why is the e-flat in the second part not getting its accidental printed? (The e-flat in the first part prints just fine.) Sub-question: I got rid of stems by removing the stem engraver. The slurs, however, look like they are trying to take into account the missing stems. How can I avoid this? [Inline image] -- Michael Welsh Duggan (m...@md5i.com) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user Email had 2 attachments: + PopuleMeus.ly 1k (text/x-lilypond) + PopuleMeus.png 22k (image/png) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question about missing accidentals, and banishing stems
Michael Welsh Duggan m...@md5i.com writes: I was writing some experimental lilypond in preparation for writing some music functions. The following lilypond file creates two variables which contain a line of notes and a line of lyrics together in a cons cell. The score attempts to join the two. Output is attached. The question is, why is the e-flat in the second part not getting its accidental printed? (The e-flat in the first part prints just fine.) Because you are still in the same bar? That's what \cadenzaOn is all about. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Aleatoric / modern notation
David Nalesnik david.nales...@gmail.com writes: Hi Mike, Excellent work! I'm glad you think so! I've attached a new file that addresses some of the issues you identify above: --) It uses axis-group::width to box accidentals Beautiful! Now there's really no need for the extra padding properties. (I've kept them in the attached file, but combined them into a single property which takes a pair = 'extra-padding.) There is quite a bit of code duplication of internals of LilyPond, and likely one of the reasons that the respective functions did not have a public interface is just that it changes LilyPond for the rest of its lifetime, even when it is run on multiple files (like as part of lilypond-book). -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [Frescobaldi] Re: Help needed creating a Mac OS X installer for Frescobaldi
Op Tue, 27 Mar 2012 10:38:54 +0200 Philippe Massart phili...@philmassart.net schreef: File /Users/philippe/Desktop/frescobaldi.app/Contents/MacOS/frescobaldi_app/po/setup.py, line 46, in current if not language or language.isNull(): AttributeError: 'unicode' object has no attribute 'isNull' Strange: I never wrote the 'or language.isNull()' part... Which frescobaldi version is this? -- Wilbert Berendsen (http://www.wilbertberendsen.nl) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: inner-outer margin two-sided print
Thank you Robin and Frank. After delete binder-offset and line-width, the problem solved. Blessing in+, Ming. From: Robin Bannister r...@dataway.ch To: MING TSANG tsan...@rogers.com; lilypond-usermailinglist lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 4:44:58 AM Subject: Re: inner-outer margin two-sided print MING TSANG wrote: In both cases the output is the same. Did you see the warning produced by this snippet? margins do not fit with line-width, setting default values There may be other problems, but I think yout current problem is that you haven't foreseen any width for the binding-offset. This warning disappears when binding-offset is zero. So I would suggest NOT setting line-width; comment it out and let it be determined by what binding-offset you choose. Cheers, Robin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [Frescobaldi] Re: Help needed creating a Mac OS X installer for Frescobaldi
That's the message I got while running the bundle Rodolfo made for OS X. Philippe Le 27 mars 2012 à 16:09, Wilbert Berendsen a écrit : Op Tue, 27 Mar 2012 10:38:54 +0200 Philippe Massart phili...@philmassart.net schreef: File /Users/philippe/Desktop/frescobaldi.app/Contents/MacOS/frescobaldi_app/po/setup.py, line 46, in current if not language or language.isNull(): AttributeError: 'unicode' object has no attribute 'isNull' Strange: I never wrote the 'or language.isNull()' part... Which frescobaldi version is this? -- Wilbert Berendsen (http://www.wilbertberendsen.nl) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Self-contained Lilypond in a Dropbox folder for Windows users?
I've been collaborating with some other members of my choral group who've decided to learn LilyPond (more converts, hooray!) to help with transcribing individual parts. For the OS X users, it was very easy to set up a folder in Dropbox that included the latest LilyPond.app bundle so I don't have to troubleshoot installation and version issues on their individual machines. Works great so far. Now I'm getting inquiries from Windows users. Is it possible to do the same thing for them, i.e. have a LilyPond Windows install self-contained in a Dropbox folder that they can just run with no other installation effort? I really want to avoid spending time figuring out why things aren't working in Vista :-( Thanks, Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Self-contained Lilypond in a Dropbox folder for Windows users?
I've installed Lilypond 10s of times (must be pushing hundreds) on Windows, and I just download the installer and double-click it. I'm assuming dropbox makes it look like a local folder, so I reckon all you'd need to do is point them to it for them to double click. Phil Holmes - Original Message - From: Michael Ellis To: LilyPond User Group Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:38 PM Subject: Self-contained Lilypond in a Dropbox folder for Windows users? I've been collaborating with some other members of my choral group who've decided to learn LilyPond (more converts, hooray!) to help with transcribing individual parts. For the OS X users, it was very easy to set up a folder in Dropbox that included the latest LilyPond.app bundle so I don't have to troubleshoot installation and version issues on their individual machines. Works great so far. Now I'm getting inquiries from Windows users. Is it possible to do the same thing for them, i.e. have a LilyPond Windows install self-contained in a Dropbox folder that they can just run with no other installation effort? I really want to avoid spending time figuring out why things aren't working in Vista :-( Thanks, Mike -- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Self-contained Lilypond in a Dropbox folder for Windows users?
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote: ** I've installed Lilypond 10s of times (must be pushing hundreds) on Windows, and I just download the installer and double-click it. I'm assuming dropbox makes it look like a local folder, so I reckon all you'd need to do is point them to it for them to double click. Thanks Phil, that's comforting to hear. Sound like the Lily packagers have done a very competent job. I was really fearful of getting into Windows hell. Dropbox does indeed make it look like a local folder so I'll try what you suggest and see what happens. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Self-contained Lilypond in a Dropbox folder for Windows users?
Hello, On 27 March 2012 17:38, Michael Ellis michael.f.el...@gmail.com wrote: I've been collaborating with some other members of my choral group who've decided to learn LilyPond (more converts, hooray!) to help with transcribing individual parts. For the OS X users, it was very easy to set up a folder in Dropbox that included the latest LilyPond.app bundle so I don't have to troubleshoot installation and version issues on their individual machines. Works great so far. Now I'm getting inquiries from Windows users. Is it possible to do the same thing for them, i.e. have a LilyPond Windows install self-contained in a Dropbox folder that they can just run with no other installation effort? I really want to avoid spending time figuring out why things aren't working in Vista :-( All my LilyPond files reside in a DropBox folder (if not the binary itself) - this means no matter what machine I am on (Linux/Mac/Windows) I can easily access all my files. It works well, although on a slow network connection it can, depending on the size of the .ly file and the resulting output - slow down the compilation, perhaps by a few seconds my scores rarely go more than 8 pages. Because you are creating a few temp files (.ps for instance) that then get deleted, Dropbox will still replicate the creation and then replciate the deletion. However when I am doing lots of changes you can 'pause' syncing very easily and then when you are all done and finished, just resume sync and dropbox updates the most current files. I cannot speak about Vista but Windows 7 works great. Installing LilyPond in a dropbox folder is no different to say installing it on the 'd' drive. What I am not sure of though is You *might* need to set your path (or at least check it is set properly) so that LilyPond can run http://lilypond.org/windows.html See 'running on the command line' half way down. Regards James ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [Frescobaldi] Re: Help needed creating a Mac OS X installer for Frescobaldi
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Wilbert Berendsen wbs...@xs4all.nl wrote: Op Tue, 27 Mar 2012 10:38:54 +0200 Philippe Massart phili...@philmassart.net schreef: File /Users/philippe/Desktop/frescobaldi.app/Contents/MacOS/frescobaldi_app/po/setup.py, line 46, in current if not language or language.isNull(): AttributeError: 'unicode' object has no attribute 'isNull' Strange: I never wrote the 'or language.isNull()' part... Which frescobaldi version is this? -- Wilbert Berendsen (http://www.wilbertberendsen.nl) I think it is my fault :) I fiddled a bit with the code since I got repeated QPyNullVariant typeerrors, so I added the 'isNull() for testing - but I forgot to remove it oops! Rodolfo ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Self-contained Lilypond in a Dropbox folder for Windows users?
Cheers, Mike On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:01 PM, James pkx1...@gmail.com wrote: I cannot speak about Vista but Windows 7 works great. Installing LilyPond in a dropbox folder is no different to say installing it on the 'd' drive. What I am not sure of though is You *might* need to set your path (or at least check it is set properly) so that LilyPond can run http://lilypond.org/windows.html See 'running on the command line' half way down. Thanks, James. That's the kind of issue that scares me. Trying to explain to someone who's got no concept of 'path' how to append to it can eat an amazing amount of time. Guess I'll just have to see how it goes ... ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Self-contained Lilypond in a Dropbox folder for Windows users?
Michael, On 27 March 2012 18:08, Michael Ellis michael.f.el...@gmail.com wrote: Cheers, Mike On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:01 PM, James pkx1...@gmail.com wrote: I cannot speak about Vista but Windows 7 works great. Installing LilyPond in a dropbox folder is no different to say installing it on the 'd' drive. What I am not sure of though is You *might* need to set your path (or at least check it is set properly) so that LilyPond can run http://lilypond.org/windows.html See 'running on the command line' half way down. Thanks, James. That's the kind of issue that scares me. Trying to explain to someone who's got no concept of 'path' how to append to it can eat an amazing amount of time. Guess I'll just have to see how it goes ... I'm afraid that we have found cases where the windows installer simply doesn't add the path at all. I believe that if you incorporate the latests version Frescobaldi (and I would certainly recommend that as a 'front end' for Windows users) you can configure it there in the preferences. Install LilyPond Install Frescobaldi use Frescobaldi's preferences to make sure the LilyPond exe is being found, if not point to it using Frescobaldis easy-to-use windows-like-browse-to-find-me GUI and click ok. James ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Self-contained Lilypond in a Dropbox folder for Windows users?
On 3/27/12 11:17 AM, James pkx1...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 March 2012 18:08, Michael Ellis michael.f.el...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, James. That's the kind of issue that scares me. Trying to explain to someone who's got no concept of 'path' how to append to it can eat an amazing amount of time. Guess I'll just have to see how it goes ... I'm afraid that we have found cases where the windows installer simply doesn't add the path at all. Not adding the path at all is the current behavior in the windows installer. Given the choice between making the path explode due to too many characters and leaving the binary off the path (but still having it work with LilyPad), the choice to leave it off seems reasonable. But appropriate patches to the Windows installer (part of GUB) would certainly be gratefully considered. Thanks, Carl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
