Re: Transposing instruments in orchestra score
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Hello all, Sorry I’m late to the party… A critical feature of a proper and useable multi-instrumentalist framework would be the ability to put in global variables which include the key signature(s) for the work, and the part would present the correct transposition of that key signature (as well as the pitches, of course) upon the switchInstrument call. This works when using music quotes. Music quotes are a somewhat awkwardly limited single-context contraption, so it's indeed likely that a \key statement, affecting a Staff, would not transfer well. David and I played around with some options last year, and the thread ended on a less-than-enthusastic note. Perhaps it’s time to revive this and clean it up once and for all? I don't see a once-and-for-all solution on the wall. But perhaps there is room for more convenient trickery. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Transposing instruments in orchestra score
Hi all, as I understand the situation, the most convenient situation for all would be the possibility of a context switch in mid-score affecting the way lilypond is interpreting (seeing) the pitches, which could get changed globally by including different files with redefinitions of the context-switch statement. This is in analogy of the transposition statement except that it doesn't affect midi but notation and therefore probably is much trickier to handle properly. I'd be very willing to sponsor this, if there is a feasible solution within a reasonable amount of time. David, Kieren, anybody? -- Orm Am Freitag, den 09. Mai 2014 um 07:08:19 Uhr (+0200) schrieb David Kastrup: Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: David and I played around with some options last year, and the thread ended on a less-than-enthusastic note. Perhaps it’s time to revive this and clean it up once and for all? I don't see a once-and-for-all solution on the wall. But perhaps there is room for more convenient trickery. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Transposing instruments in orchestra score
Orm Finnendahl orm.finnend...@hfmdk-frankfurt.de writes: Hi all, as I understand the situation, the most convenient situation for all would be the possibility of a context switch in mid-score affecting the way lilypond is interpreting (seeing) the pitches, which could get changed globally by including different files with redefinitions of the context-switch statement. This is in analogy of the transposition statement except that it doesn't affect midi but notation and therefore probably is much trickier to handle properly. A lot of things look at pitches. With Midi, it's just an offset to the final output. You could do stuff like \transposition #(ly:make-pitch 0 0 3/100) and that has a reasonable interpretation (no idea whether the way pitches are implemented will result in reasonable Midi, though). With visuals, not so much. And it's not just an offset: a whole arrangement of notename and accidentals and custom engravers might depend on them. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Trill span problem
Am 09.05.2014 00:06, schrieb Peter Bjuhr:
On 2014-05-08 16:22, Knute Snortum wrote:
I have a problem with sequential trill spans. they seems to be just
a little too long and therefore they stagger vertically. I would
think the solution is to shorten the trill span but I'm not sure how
to do this.
\version 2.18.2
\relative c''' {
\time 2/4
| f2 \startTrillSpan \ppp
| d2 \startTrillSpan
| c4 \startTrillSpan d \startTrillSpan
| c4 \startTrillSpan b \startTrillSpan
| c2 \startTrillSpan
| b2 \startTrillSpan
| a2 \startTrillSpan
| f2 \startTrillSpan
}
I don't know if it's the best solution, but you can try adding
\override TrillSpanner.bound-details #'right #'padding = #1.9
Or \override TrillSpanner.bound-details.right.padding = 1.9 with the
very convenient new 2.18 syntax.
before all the trills.
Best
Peter
Best, Simon
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Transcribing individual score pages from scans
Hi, I'm a contributor from Wikisource, an online digital library part of the Wikimedia Foundation, where we transcribe works in the public domain. Since last year we have enabled a mediawiki extension to render scores [1], which now enables our users to transcribe pages with music like these [2] [3] Of course that is great when a work is only one page long, but for us it becomes problematic to stitch together all the different pages into a single one (what we call transclusion). Some users are just considering each page independent, but that doesn't allow us to generate a whole lilypond file for download. For instance check this Catalan song [4], if you click on edit you will see that we are combining two pages [5] and [6], where the text resides. What we would like is to combine these pages to generate the lilypond file. I have been checking the input structure documentation [7] and I found \book and \bookpart, but I didn't see anything like \bookpage. Is there any command that would help us to achieve the page separation that we need? Thanks, David -- User:Micru [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Score [2] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:A_Dictionary_of_Music_and_Musicians_vol_1.djvu/24 [3] https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Barzaz_Breiz,_huiti%C3%A8me_%C3%A9dition.djvu/641 [4] https://ca.wikisource.org/wiki/Segona_serie_de_can%C3%A7ons_populars_catalanes/Fum,_fum,_fum [5] https://ca.wikisource.org/wiki/P%C3%A0gina%3ASegona_serie_de_can%C3%A7ons_populars_catalanes_(1909).djvu/100 [6] https://ca.wikisource.org/wiki/P%C3%A0gina%3ASegona_serie_de_can%C3%A7ons_populars_catalanes_(1909).djvu/101 [7] http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/notation/input-structure ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Transcribing individual score pages from scans
Am 09.05.2014 12:16, schrieb David Cuenca:
Hi,
I'm a contributor from Wikisource, an online digital library part of the
Wikimedia Foundation, where we transcribe works in the public domain. Since
last year we have enabled a mediawiki extension to render scores [1], which
now enables our users to transcribe pages with music like these [2] [3]
Of course that is great when a work is only one page long, but for us it
becomes problematic to stitch together all the different pages into a
single one (what we call transclusion).
Some users are just considering each page independent, but that doesn't
allow us to generate a whole lilypond file for download. For instance check
this Catalan song [4], if you click on edit you will see that we are
combining two pages [5] and [6], where the text resides.
What we would like is to combine these pages to generate the lilypond file.
I have been checking the input structure documentation [7] and I found
\book and \bookpart, but I didn't see anything like \bookpage.
Is there any command that would help us to achieve the page separation that
we need?
If I'm not mistaken that should be quite easy to achieve.
You can organize LilyPond input in variables, and you can combine those
variables to larger units. That is, you don't use variables only to
store the different parts in a score, but you can also separate
different sections of it.
I'm not completely sure if that fits your use case, but you may have a
start with something like:
violinPageI = ŗelative c'' {
% some music
}
violinPageII = ŗelative c'' {
% some music
}
violinMusic = {
\violinPageI
\violinPageII
}
\score {
\new Staff \violinMusic
}
With this you can as well create alternative scores for individual pages
if you like.
Does that sound plausible?
Best
Urs
Thanks,
David -- User:Micru
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Score
[2]
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:A_Dictionary_of_Music_and_Musicians_vol_1.djvu/24
[3]
https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Barzaz_Breiz,_huiti%C3%A8me_%C3%A9dition.djvu/641
[4]
https://ca.wikisource.org/wiki/Segona_serie_de_can%C3%A7ons_populars_catalanes/Fum,_fum,_fum
[5]
https://ca.wikisource.org/wiki/P%C3%A0gina%3ASegona_serie_de_can%C3%A7ons_populars_catalanes_(1909).djvu/100
[6]
https://ca.wikisource.org/wiki/P%C3%A0gina%3ASegona_serie_de_can%C3%A7ons_populars_catalanes_(1909).djvu/101
[7] http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/notation/input-structure
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Re: Transcribing individual score pages from scans
Am 09.05.2014 12:26, schrieb Urs Liska:
Am 09.05.2014 12:16, schrieb David Cuenca:
Hi,
I'm a contributor from Wikisource, an online digital library part of the
Wikimedia Foundation, where we transcribe works in the public domain.
Since
last year we have enabled a mediawiki extension to render scores [1],
which
now enables our users to transcribe pages with music like these [2] [3]
Of course that is great when a work is only one page long, but for us it
becomes problematic to stitch together all the different pages into a
single one (what we call transclusion).
Some users are just considering each page independent, but that doesn't
allow us to generate a whole lilypond file for download. For instance
check
this Catalan song [4], if you click on edit you will see that we are
combining two pages [5] and [6], where the text resides.
What we would like is to combine these pages to generate the lilypond
file.
I have been checking the input structure documentation [7] and I found
\book and \bookpart, but I didn't see anything like \bookpage.
Is there any command that would help us to achieve the page separation
that
we need?
If I'm not mistaken that should be quite easy to achieve.
You can organize LilyPond input in variables, and you can combine those
variables to larger units. That is, you don't use variables only to
store the different parts in a score, but you can also separate
different sections of it.
I'm not completely sure if that fits your use case, but you may have a
start with something like:
violinPageI = ŗelative c'' {
% some music
}
violinPageII = ŗelative c'' {
% some music
}
violinMusic = {
\violinPageI
\violinPageII
}
\score {
\new Staff \violinMusic
}
With this you can as well create alternative scores for individual pages
if you like.
Does that sound plausible?
Best
Urs
Oh, I've already a few additional remarks that I forgot.
Of course you will want to store the variables in individual files and
include them.
If you have spanners reaching from one variable to another (e.g. slurs)
you will have to enclose the variables in an explicitly created voice:
violinMusic = \new Voice {
% ...
}
Urs
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Re: Transcribing individual score pages from scans
Hi Urs,
unfortunately we cannot work with files, nor variables. The only thing we
can do is to join text inputs. What we are after is a way to append the
source texts that generate individual pages and generate a valid lilypond
input just by adding a header/footer.
Is that possible?
Thanks
David
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote:
Am 09.05.2014 12:26, schrieb Urs Liska:
Am 09.05.2014 12:16, schrieb David Cuenca:
Hi,
I'm a contributor from Wikisource, an online digital library part of the
Wikimedia Foundation, where we transcribe works in the public domain.
Since
last year we have enabled a mediawiki extension to render scores [1],
which
now enables our users to transcribe pages with music like these [2] [3]
Of course that is great when a work is only one page long, but for us it
becomes problematic to stitch together all the different pages into a
single one (what we call transclusion).
Some users are just considering each page independent, but that doesn't
allow us to generate a whole lilypond file for download. For instance
check
this Catalan song [4], if you click on edit you will see that we are
combining two pages [5] and [6], where the text resides.
What we would like is to combine these pages to generate the lilypond
file.
I have been checking the input structure documentation [7] and I found
\book and \bookpart, but I didn't see anything like \bookpage.
Is there any command that would help us to achieve the page separation
that
we need?
If I'm not mistaken that should be quite easy to achieve.
You can organize LilyPond input in variables, and you can combine those
variables to larger units. That is, you don't use variables only to
store the different parts in a score, but you can also separate
different sections of it.
I'm not completely sure if that fits your use case, but you may have a
start with something like:
violinPageI = ŗelative c'' {
% some music
}
violinPageII = ŗelative c'' {
% some music
}
violinMusic = {
\violinPageI
\violinPageII
}
\score {
\new Staff \violinMusic
}
With this you can as well create alternative scores for individual pages
if you like.
Does that sound plausible?
Best
Urs
Oh, I've already a few additional remarks that I forgot.
Of course you will want to store the variables in individual files and
include them.
If you have spanners reaching from one variable to another (e.g. slurs)
you will have to enclose the variables in an explicitly created voice:
violinMusic = \new Voice {
% ...
}
Urs
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Slur that spans staves
I am trying to typeset a slur that spans staves (see photo). https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_aEseOV9KTXQ3pDVjJaZ05ZX2c/edit?usp=sharing I can use \shape, but this can't span the upper staff. Any ideas? Knute Snortum (via Gmail) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Slur that spans staves
You make the music cross the staves, and the slur follows: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/common-notation-for-keyboards -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - From: Knute Snortum To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 3:22 PM Subject: Slur that spans staves I am trying to typeset a slur that spans staves (see photo). https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_aEseOV9KTXQ3pDVjJaZ05ZX2c/edit?usp=sharing I can use \shape, but this can't span the upper staff. Any ideas? Knute Snortum (via Gmail) -- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Slur that spans staves
Am 09.05.2014 16:22, schrieb Knute Snortum: I am trying to typeset a slur that spans staves (see photo). https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_aEseOV9KTXQ3pDVjJaZ05ZX2c/edit?usp=sharing I can use \shape, but this can't span the upper staff. Any ideas? Knute Snortum (via Gmail) Please send some code. The issue is probably related to voicing. If you can make one voice cross the staves the slur will do also. But if you don't attach the slur to both des's you're heading for trouble. So either make the des''' the sequence of the l.h. voice and the lower staff rest the sequence of the r.h. voice, or use a hidden voice just for typesetting the slur. (see http://lilypondblog.org/2013/07/voice-contexts-in-temporary-polyphonic-sections/ for a similar problem) HTH Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Trill span problem
Thanks, that did it.
I knew there had to be some variable or setting I could change. I looked
in TrillSpanner but I couldn't figure out which variable to change.
Knute Snortum
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On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Simon Albrecht simon.albre...@mail.dewrote:
Am 09.05.2014 00:06, schrieb Peter Bjuhr:
On 2014-05-08 16:22, Knute Snortum wrote:
I have a problem with sequential trill spans. they seems to be just a
little too long and therefore they stagger vertically. I would think the
solution is to shorten the trill span but I'm not sure how to do this.
\version 2.18.2
\relative c''' {
\time 2/4
| f2 \startTrillSpan \ppp
| d2 \startTrillSpan
| c4 \startTrillSpan d \startTrillSpan
| c4 \startTrillSpan b \startTrillSpan
| c2 \startTrillSpan
| b2 \startTrillSpan
| a2 \startTrillSpan
| f2 \startTrillSpan
}
I don't know if it's the best solution, but you can try adding
\override TrillSpanner.bound-details #'right #'padding = #1.9
Or \override TrillSpanner.bound-details.right.padding = 1.9 with the very
convenient new 2.18 syntax.
before all the trills.
Best
Peter
Best, Simon
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Fwd: [SPAM] Re: Slur that spans staves
I assume you intended to write this to the list... Original-Nachricht Betreff: [SPAM] Re: Slur that spans staves Datum: Fri, 9 May 2014 08:23:56 -0700 Von: Knute Snortum ksnor...@gmail.com An: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org Phil, that did it, thanks. I had to stand on my head a bit to get the note onto the upper staff, but I did it. Not pretty, but it works. Knute Snortum (via Gmail) On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: Am 09.05.2014 16:22, schrieb Knute Snortum: I am trying to typeset a slur that spans staves (see photo). https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_aEseOV9KTXQ3pDVjJaZ05ZX2c/ edit?usp=sharing I can use \shape, but this can't span the upper staff. Any ideas? Knute Snortum (via Gmail) Please send some code. The issue is probably related to voicing. If you can make one voice cross the staves the slur will do also. But if you don't attach the slur to both des's you're heading for trouble. So either make the des''' the sequence of the l.h. voice and the lower staff rest the sequence of the r.h. voice, or use a hidden voice just for typesetting the slur. (see http://lilypondblog.org/2013/07/voice-contexts-in- temporary-polyphonic-sections/ for a similar problem) HTH Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [SPAM] Re: Slur that spans staves
- Original Message - From: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org To: lilypond-user lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 4:24 PM Subject: Fwd: [SPAM] Re: Slur that spans staves I assume you intended to write this to the list... Original-Nachricht Betreff: [SPAM] Re: Slur that spans staves Datum: Fri, 9 May 2014 08:23:56 -0700 Von: Knute Snortum ksnor...@gmail.com An: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org Phil, that did it, thanks. I had to stand on my head a bit to get the note onto the upper staff, but I did it. Not pretty, but it works. Knute Snortum (via Gmail) Don't think it's that hard. What was your solution? -- Phil Holmes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [SPAM] Re: Slur that spans staves
I used a \change Staff = up to get the D flat on the RH staff, but
because I needed to have a rest in the LH, I put both in separate voices.
Begin snippet
staffUp = \change Staff = up
...
{
| af [ b bf ( c ]
\oneVoice
| \staffUp df'2 ) ~ \f \fermata
| df8 r \acciaccatura { c8 } c,8 \sf r \break
} \\ {
\oneVoice
| s2 | R2 \fermataMarkup | R2
}
End snippet
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On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote:
- Original Message - From: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org
To: lilypond-user lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 4:24 PM
Subject: Fwd: [SPAM] Re: Slur that spans staves
I assume you intended to write this to the list...
Original-Nachricht
Betreff: [SPAM] Re: Slur that spans staves
Datum: Fri, 9 May 2014 08:23:56 -0700
Von: Knute Snortum ksnor...@gmail.com
An: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org
Phil, that did it, thanks. I had to stand on my head a bit to get the
note
onto the upper staff, but I did it. Not pretty, but it works.
Knute Snortum
(via Gmail)
Don't think it's that hard. What was your solution?
--
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MIDI error compiling source
The attached LilyPond file producing programming errors below. I've
pared down the source so that it's smaller but still emits a warning.
Anyone know why the warnings are produced? The PDF and MIDI files seem
fine. It's just that I don't like producing error messages.
Starting lilypond-windows.exe 2.18.2 [midi_error_test.ly]...
Processing `.../midi_error_test.ly'
Parsing...
Interpreting music...
Preprocessing graphical objects...
Interpreting music...
MIDI output to `midi_error_test.mid'...
programming error: Going back in MIDI time.
continuing, cross fingers
programming error: Going back in MIDI time.
continuing, cross fingers
programming error: Going back in MIDI time.
continuing, cross fingers
Finding the ideal number of pages...
Fitting music on 1 page...
Drawing systems...
Layout output to `midi_error_test.ps'...
Converting to `./midi_error_test.pdf'...
Success: compilation successfully completed
Completed successfully in 2.7.
Knute Snortum
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\version 2.18.2
\language english
staffUp = \change Staff = up
staffDown = \change Staff = down
highVoice = \relative c''' {
| \acciaccatura { d8 } f, a c8 [ \staffDown f, a c \staffUp
\acciaccatura { c''8 } f, af b \staffDown f, af df ] \staffUp
| \acciaccatura { d''8 } f, a c8 \staffDown f, a c \staffUp
df' f af [ \acciaccatura { d'8 } f, a c ]
| \acciaccatura { d'8 } f, a c8 [ \staffDown f, a c \staffUp
\acciaccatura { c''8 } f, af b \staffDown f, af df ] \staffUp
| \acciaccatura { d''8 } f, a c8 [ \staffDown f, a c \staffUp
df' f af \staffDown af b ] \staffUp
}
lowVoice = \relative c'' {
| \acciaccatura { s8 } s2
| s4 af b8 r
| s2 * 2
}
global = {
\key f \major
\time 2/4
\accidentalStyle piano
}
\score {
\new PianoStaff
\new Staff = up {
\global
\highVoice
}
\new Staff = down {
\global
\lowVoice
}
\layout {
}
\midi {
\tempo 4 = 160
}
}
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Re: MIDI error compiling source
I think it's to do with the grace notes. There's no error in 2.19.2, so you may want to adopt the development version if you want to avoid the issue being flagged. -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - From: Knute Snortum To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 5:35 PM Subject: MIDI error compiling source The attached LilyPond file producing programming errors below. I've pared down the source so that it's smaller but still emits a warning. Anyone know why the warnings are produced? The PDF and MIDI files seem fine. It's just that I don't like producing error messages. Starting lilypond-windows.exe 2.18.2 [midi_error_test.ly]... Processing `.../midi_error_test.ly' Parsing... Interpreting music... Preprocessing graphical objects... Interpreting music... MIDI output to `midi_error_test.mid'... programming error: Going back in MIDI time. continuing, cross fingers programming error: Going back in MIDI time. continuing, cross fingers programming error: Going back in MIDI time. continuing, cross fingers Finding the ideal number of pages... Fitting music on 1 page... Drawing systems... Layout output to `midi_error_test.ps'... Converting to `./midi_error_test.pdf'... Success: compilation successfully completed Completed successfully in 2.7. Knute Snortum (via Gmail) -- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: MIDI error compiling source
Thanks, that's the info I need. I'm typesetting for Mutopia and they use 2.18.2 and they don't want errors, but if there's no way to exclude the errors without moving to 2.19.2, I think they'll understand. Knute Snortum (via Gmail) On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote: I think it's to do with the grace notes. There's no error in 2.19.2, so you may want to adopt the development version if you want to avoid the issue being flagged. -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - *From:* Knute Snortum ksnor...@gmail.com *To:* lilypond-user@gnu.org *Sent:* Friday, May 09, 2014 5:35 PM *Subject:* MIDI error compiling source The attached LilyPond file producing programming errors below. I've pared down the source so that it's smaller but still emits a warning. Anyone know why the warnings are produced? The PDF and MIDI files seem fine. It's just that I don't like producing error messages. Starting lilypond-windows.exe 2.18.2 [midi_error_test.ly]... Processing `.../midi_error_test.ly' Parsing... Interpreting music... Preprocessing graphical objects... Interpreting music... MIDI output to `midi_error_test.mid'... programming error: Going back in MIDI time. continuing, cross fingers programming error: Going back in MIDI time. continuing, cross fingers programming error: Going back in MIDI time. continuing, cross fingers Finding the ideal number of pages... Fitting music on 1 page... Drawing systems... Layout output to `midi_error_test.ps'... Converting to `./midi_error_test.pdf'... Success: compilation successfully completed Completed successfully in 2.7. Knute Snortum (via Gmail) -- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?
The documentation seems spotty and inadequate compared to when I tried this a few years ago. I feel hopelessly lost. I found http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/usage/text-editor-support. This tells me I need to do a make install. This implies I need the source to do anything at all with emacs mode? I found a source bundle herehttp://lilypond.org/source.html, along with the warning We do not recommend that you attempt to build LilyPond yourself; almost all user needs are better met with the pre-built version. Unclear whether using emacs is included in almost all user needs or not. [Side issue: the parallel structure of the documentation on the website is *very* confusing. In particular, I spent quite a few minutes puzzled about why the Source link in the Download tab at the top of http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/web/download led to http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/web/source/Documentation/web/index.htmlrather than back to the source bundle. Is this intentional?] OK, so I download the source bundle, and now I'm left with no more instructions than make install. But in what directory? I tried it in the elisp directory and the lilypond directory above it, but in both cases I got errors. I also tried skipping the install step and just directly pointing at the directories. This seems to give me at least a partial solution, although it's warning me that lilypond-words doesn't exist. Probably because it needs to compile that somehow? Am I missing something basic/obvious/simple? Any advice is welcome. I'd love to get emacs and lilypond working. I'm happy to contribute a doc fix to make this easier for others later. rif ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?
On May 9, 2014, at 12:43 PM, rif r...@mit.edu wrote: The documentation seems spotty and inadequate compared to when I tried this a few years ago. I feel hopelessly lost. I found http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/usage/text-editor-support. This tells me I need to do a make install. This implies I need the source to do anything at all with emacs mode? I found a source bundle here, along with the warning We do not recommend that you attempt to build LilyPond yourself; almost all user needs are better met with the pre-built version. Unclear whether using emacs is included in almost all user needs or not. [Side issue: the parallel structure of the documentation on the website is *very* confusing. In particular, I spent quite a few minutes puzzled about why the Source link in the Download tab at the top of http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/web/download led to http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/web/source/Documentation/web/index.html rather than back to the source bundle. Is this intentional?] OK, so I download the source bundle, and now I'm left with no more instructions than make install. But in what directory? I tried it in the elisp directory and the lilypond directory above it, but in both cases I got errors. I also tried skipping the install step and just directly pointing at the directories. This seems to give me at least a partial solution, although it's warning me that lilypond-words doesn't exist. Probably because it needs to compile that somehow? Am I missing something basic/obvious/simple? Any advice is welcome. I'd love to get emacs and lilypond working. I'm happy to contribute a doc fix to make this easier for others later. I used lilypond-mode in Emacs once upon a time but use other tools now. Just use the standard Lilypond pre-compiled bundle and put it in your /Applications folder. You do not need to roll your own and it’s probably best if you don’t for the reasons you mention. IIRC there is a site-lisp directory inside the Lilypond.app bundle which contains lilypond-mode and/or lilypond-mode comes with Emacs by default. I don’t think this is maintained or updated but I could well be wrong on that, so it may have been left behind by developments in Lilypond. Frescobaldi is now so easy to install that I wouldn’t recommend bothering with lilypond-mode in Emacs unless you really like Emacs (I like Emacs but find it’s like using a sledgehammer to crack walnuts most of the time- gets the job done but there are better tools). Add some things to your .emacs file: ;;_ ;;lilypond-mode ;;_ (autoload 'LilyPond-mode lilypond-mode LilyPond Editing Mode t) (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.ly$ . LilyPond-mode)) (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.ily$ . LilyPond-mode)) (add-hook 'LilyPond-mode-hook (lambda () (turn-on-font-lock))) and tell Emacs where the stuff it needs in Lilypond is to be found (this is Mac specific to deal with the app bundle; other *nixen would have Lilypond stuff elsewhere. Note there is a place you need to edit to put in your user name): (setq path /bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/Users/tim/bin:/Users/YOUR_USER_NAME/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin) (setenv PATH path) (setq load-path (append (list (expand-file-name/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/share/emacs/site-lisp)) load-path)) I think that’s it. Hope this helps! ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Mensural ligature
On Fri, 09 May 2014 20:17:05 +0200, Jean-Charles Malahieude wrote Le 09/05/2014 01:04, k...@aspodata.se disait : Jean-Charles Malahieude: On my way to typeset a mass by Monteverdi, I'm blocked with some ligatures (see http://musicofyesterday.com/historical-music-theory/expanded-history-musical-notation-part-4/ for examples) ??? Who wrote that page? That's the most confused (and IMHO sometimes even wrong) You seem to equate ligatures with legato, I'd be interested to hear if you have any references to that. There are plenty of them in http://imslp.org/wiki/Sanctissimae_Virgini_Missa_senis_vocibus_ac_Vesperae_pluribus_decantandae_%28Monteverdi,_Claudio%29#IMSLP37009 You'll find one example herewith (page 6 of the full pdf, stamped 4 of the Cantus part). The one in CANTUS/page 4 on sol(us) is a simple COP ligature, two semibreves. Cheers, Ralf Mattes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?
On Fri, 9 May 2014 13:44:31 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote [...snip...] (setq path /bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/Users/tim/bin:/Users/YOUR_USER_NAME/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin) (setenv PATH path) (setq load-path (append (list (expand-file-name/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/share/emacs/site-lisp)) load-path)) Much easier to do: (add-to-list 'load-path (expand-file-name/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/share/emacs/site-lisp)) Cheers, Ralf Mattes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Transposing instruments in orchestra score
whether the way
pitches are implemented will result in reasonable Midi, though). With
visuals, not so much. And it's not just an offset: a whole
arrangement of notename and accidentals and custom engravers might
depend on them.
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Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 10:43:27 +0200
From: Simon Albrecht simon.albre...@mail.de
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Trill span problem
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Am 09.05.2014 00:06, schrieb Peter Bjuhr:
On 2014-05-08 16:22, Knute Snortum wrote:
I have a problem with sequential trill spans. they seems to be just
a little too long and therefore they stagger vertically. I would
think the solution is to shorten the trill span but I'm not sure how
to do this.
\version 2.18.2
\relative c''' {
\time 2/4
| f2 \startTrillSpan \ppp
| d2 \startTrillSpan
| c4 \startTrillSpan d \startTrillSpan
| c4 \startTrillSpan b \startTrillSpan
| c2 \startTrillSpan
| b2 \startTrillSpan
| a2 \startTrillSpan
| f2 \startTrillSpan
}
I don't know if it's the best solution, but you can try adding
\override TrillSpanner.bound-details #'right #'padding = #1.9
Or \override TrillSpanner.bound-details.right.padding = 1.9 with the
very convenient new 2.18 syntax.
before all the trills.
Best
Peter
Best, Simon
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Re: Transposing instruments in orchestra score
Hi David,
I am curious as to what are the killer use cases?
I compose and arrange music theatre works (amongst other things). In the pit,
we almost always have a multi-wind player. A very normal part would see that
one person playing:
mm 1-10 on Bb clarinet
mm. 20-42 on [C+8] piccolo
mm. 54-72 on Bb-8 bass clarinet
mm. 84-100 on [G] alto flute
etc.
where the key(s) of the CONCERT-PITCH MUSIC (i.e., not just the TRANSPOSITION
of the instrument) might change between instrument switches, or even
mid-instrument block.
I want to write:
wind_notes = {
\switchInstrument #”cl”
cl. music here, in concert pitch
\switchInstrument #”picc”
picc. music here, in concert pitch
\switchInstrument #””
b.cl. music here, in concert pitch
\switchInstrument #”picc”
a.fl. music here, in concert pitch
}
Another way of asking this is, what is so terrible with the obvious approach?
You have to put the key information redundantly in each instrumentalist’s music.
A better [i.e, more maintainable and “object-oriented”] approach is this:
global = {
\key a \minor s1*8
\key e \minor s1*4
\key c \major s1*10
}
and then in both part and full score use
\new Staff \global \wind_notes
In the part, all the instrumental transpositions should apply; in the score, I
should be able to choose (C score or transposed).
Makes sense?
Best,
Kieren.
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www: http://www.kierenmacmillan.info
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Re: scheme function for staccato
FYI, the addStaccato function has been updated and works in 2.19. http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Snippet?id=82 -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Re-scheme-function-for-staccato-tp5429p162238.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?
Cool. Maybe it makes sense to update the documentation to indicate the elisp files are in the precompiled tarball and just to point at them? That make install is a red herring. On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:15 PM, R. Mattes r...@mh-freiburg.de wrote: On Fri, 9 May 2014 13:44:31 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote [...snip...] (setq path /bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/Users/tim/bin:/Users/YOUR_USER_NAME/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin) (setenv PATH path) (setq load-path (append (list (expand-file-name/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/share/emacs/site-lisp)) load-path)) Much easier to do: (add-to-list 'load-path (expand-file-name/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/share/emacs/site-lisp)) Cheers, Ralf Mattes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?
And just to be clear, when you see Frescobaldi is easy to install, it looks to me like I have to first install Homebrew, then I have to manually install XQuartz and and MacTeX [neither of which is packaged with Homebrew], and *then* I can just do a brew install frescobaldi? On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:15 PM, rif r...@mit.edu wrote: Cool. Maybe it makes sense to update the documentation to indicate the elisp files are in the precompiled tarball and just to point at them? That make install is a red herring. On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:15 PM, R. Mattes r...@mh-freiburg.de wrote: On Fri, 9 May 2014 13:44:31 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote [...snip...] (setq path /bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/Users/tim/bin:/Users/YOUR_USER_NAME/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin) (setenv PATH path) (setq load-path (append (list (expand-file-name/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/share/emacs/site-lisp)) load-path)) Much easier to do: (add-to-list 'load-path (expand-file-name/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/share/emacs/site-lisp)) Cheers, Ralf Mattes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
