Re: Peer review

2015-02-18 Thread Rutger Hofman

On 02/18/2015 03:30 AM, Craig Dabelstein wrote:

Hi Lilyponders,

I'm not sure if this is an appropriate request for the group, but I was
wondering if anybody had the time to look at a sample part I have
typeset and make any comments regarding the typesetting. There may be
many things here that an experienced typesetter may see that need
improvement, but my eyes don't pick up.

Here is the link:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/614749/Berlioz-02-piccolo.pdf

I do think the part looks a little bit compressed, but I have used the
page turn engraver (which I think is one of the greatest inventions of
the modern world!) for instrumental parts such as these.

Many thanks,

Craig


Beautiful. Some off-the-cuff remarks.

I agree with Jay Andersen about cautionary accidentals. I always use the 
modern-cautionary style -- it implies least confusion.


I do hope you intend to add cue notes to the final product!

I think the typesetting is the opposite of cramped; only 10..11 systems 
per page. I often have 13 or even 14 on an A4 page (2.19.15, the 
Lilypond version makes a difference), although with narrower margins. 
However, the first system of mvt II. is indeed cramped. You might 
consider widening the first system (e.g. by judiciously inserting a page 
break into (just) the part).


Is your part intended to start with an external blank page? Else, the 
page turns are at the wrong side of the page pairs...


Regarding page turns: for the player, it is *far* preferable to have 
easy page turns than to have few pages. I don't know about the publisher 
who must pay the printing costs...


At letter [P] in mvt III: a top c# for the piccolo: I don't remember 
ever having had to play that (and I hope it will be a long time before I 
meet it).


A matter of preference: if the movements are clearly separated by piece 
titles and ample vertical white space, I don't indent the first system 
of the movement.


In Mvt III., from [C]: I think the tuplet spanners are a bit tiring to 
the eye. How does it look without the spanner lines?


Rutger Hofman
Amsterdam


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Re: Peer review

2015-02-18 Thread Hans Aberg

 On 18 Feb 2015, at 09:18, Rutger Hofman rut...@cs.vu.nl wrote:
 
 On 02/18/2015 03:30 AM, Craig Dabelstein wrote:

 Here is the link:
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/614749/Berlioz-02-piccolo.pdf

 At letter [P] in mvt III: a top c# for the piccolo: I don't remember ever 
 having had to play that (and I hope it will be a long time before I meet it).

There are a couple of measures missing, and it should be one octave lower [1].

1. 
http://imslp.org/wiki/Grande_symphonie_fun%C3%A8bre_et_triomphale,_H_80_%28Berlioz,_Hector%29



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Re: Peer review

2015-02-18 Thread Klaus Blum
Hi Craig, 

I've noticed that you've changed the color of the staff lines from black to
grey. I think this is a good way to increase readability. 
However, in some lines of your score, the black bar lines are printed behind
the grey staff lines. I think this is because they are located in the same
layer, thus it's not predictable in what order they will be printed.
It could be helpful to put the staff lines in a layer below zero: 

\layout {
\context { 
  \Staff 
  \override StaffSymbol.layer = #-1 
}
  }

Cheers, 
Klaus



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Re: OooLilyPond

2015-02-18 Thread Francisco Vila
2015-02-12 0:40 GMT+01:00 Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl:

 Has anyone used OooLilyPond recently?
 Today I tried it again and was getting an error that didn't happen to me
 when I last used it (quite some time ago).

 The macro fails if I select png output in the the OooLilyPond config
 dialog. If I switch to eps it works again.

 I am using Libre Office 4.3.5.2, LilyPond 2.19.15, OooLilyPond 0.4.0

Jus tested with LibreOffice 4.3.3.2, LilyPond 2.19.16 and OooLilyPond
0.4.0 , works well with png output.

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Re: Peer review

2015-02-18 Thread Urs Liska

Am 18.02.2015 um 03:30 schrieb Craig Dabelstein:

Hi Lilyponders,

I'm not sure if this is an appropriate request for the group, but I was
wondering if anybody had the time to look at a sample part I have
typeset and make any comments regarding the typesetting. There may be
many things here that an experienced typesetter may see that need
improvement, but my eyes don't pick up.

Here is the link:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/614749/Berlioz-02-piccolo.pdf

I do think the part looks a little bit compressed, but I have used the
page turn engraver (which I think is one of the greatest inventions of
the modern world!) for instrumental parts such as these.

Many thanks,

Craig



Hi Craig, there's one (minor) issue for readability that I notice. It's 
not your fault but LilyPond's but you may search for a way to improve it 
nevertheless.


When tuplet number happen to fall into a staff they are not clearly 
readable. Probably it doesn't matter too much because you don't actually 
_read_ them anyway but just notice that they are there.
Especially problematic is when they fall exactly in a staff space as in 
m. 134ff. where the extenders of the number coincide with the staff lines.


I'm not sure about the best treat, however. Some ideas:

- moving the numbers
- using whiteout
- selecting a heavier font face

I don't see a real treat for it, but you may take it as some input.

HTH
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Re: Indenting arbitrary lines

2015-02-18 Thread David Bellows
 Then you probably need to use explicit X-offset adjustments — see 
 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/explicit-staff-and-system-positioning
  for more details.

Thanks for this. I went through the example and tried my best to
incorporate it into my software and resultant Lilypond files but since
I wasn't really sure what it/I was doing I couldn't get the results I
wanted.

For now I'm just coloring the spine notes red. It's not perfect but
I think it gets the job done pretty well.

Thanks,
Dave

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Kieren MacMillan
kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote:
 Hi David,

 I think if I were doing this manually that would probably work.
 Unfortunately changing my software to generate multiple score blocks
 would require a lot of work that I'm not sure is justified for just
 this one thing. I was lucky that I was able to insert the basic
 acrostic idea without having to rewrite any of the infrastructure.

 Then you probably need to use explicit X-offset adjustments — see 
 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/explicit-staff-and-system-positioning
  for more details.

 Hope this helps!
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Re: GoldenAge Font

2015-02-18 Thread tisimst
Urs Liska wrote
 Am 18.02.2015 um 14:47 schrieb tisimst:
 So, I take it no one has any experience with this font? It looks very
 nice and clean.
 
 Just looked at the .gif, and I agree it looks nice and clean.
 But is that really significantly different from Improviso?
 
 Urs

Urs,

Well, I think they are quite different, but guess you'll have to tell me :)
Here's a sample:

GoldenAge https://db.tt/IjoRTeRO  
Improviso https://db.tt/Qi5feO6A  
LilyJAZZ https://db.tt/4mHExYAx  

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Re: GoldenAge Font

2015-02-18 Thread Flaming Hakama by Elaine
 Well, I think they are quite different, but guess you'll have to tell me :)
 Here's a sample:

 GoldenAge https://db.tt/IjoRTeRO
 Improviso https://db.tt/Qi5feO6A
 LilyJAZZ https://db.tt/4mHExYAx

 - Abraham



I agree that they are quite different, and I am digging the GoldenAge
font!  A nice balance between handwritten and legible, with a good amount
of contrast (although the chord symbols seem light).



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Re: rit. in Midi - was: Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 137, Issue 62

2015-02-18 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 12:14:19PM +, David Sumbler wrote:
   From: Patrick Karl patrickk...@me.com
   Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 11:18:49 -0600
   
   I think the most disturbiing thing is that \articulate is
   interpreting rit. to mean ritenuto rather than ritardando,
   which I think is the most common interpretation of rit..  It
   would be great if the tempo would ramp down gradually to 4=36 at
   the end.
 
 It's true that articulate.ly does not handle gradual tempo changes as
 one would expect.
 
 I get around this, and simultaneously give myself control over the
 contour of the rit. or accel. by writing another invisible stave
 just for the midi, and containing nothing but rests and tempo
 markings.
[...]

You can also write the tempo markings in the same place as the music but
use \omit to make them invisible in the printed score.

OTOH, it would be nice if we could come up with a clever Scheme function
that automates ramping the tempo down/up; it's rather tedious to insert
all those \tempo markings by hand.


T

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Re: GoldenAge Font

2015-02-18 Thread tisimst
It is absolutely possible to make the chord text font heavier! I should be able 
to publish the GoldenAge font family soon. 

- Abraham

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 i was thinking of using the JazzLilly font for some lead sheet i am typing 
 but now I want the Golden Age. 
 It is such a nice and balanced font. Is it possible to make the chord font 
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Re: GoldenAge Font

2015-02-18 Thread MarcM
i was thinking of using the JazzLilly font for some lead sheet i am typing
but now I want the Golden Age.
It is such a nice and balanced font. Is it possible to make the chord font
heavier?



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RE:How to increase the distance between systems?

2015-02-18 Thread Stephen MacNeil
 Do mean like this ?


\version 2.18.2


\paper {

system-system-spacing #'basic-distance = #25


}

\score {  \new StaffGroup

 \new Staff { c'1 e'1

\break g'1 b'1 }

 \new Staff { d'1 f'1 \break a'1 c''1 } 

  \layout {

indent = #0 ragged-right = ##t %\override Staff.VerticalAxisGroup

#'staff-staff-spacing = #'((basic-distance . 15)) } } |
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How to increase the distance between systems?

2015-02-18 Thread Kaj
I have tried to find in the manuals180 how to increase the distance 
between systems in the same score. I have found how to control the 
distance between individual staves inside the system, but not between 
systems. In my real task I want to fill the page. I see there is plenty 
of room below the last system, but I cannot find out how to get the 
score to expand. I also want to use the tagline at the bottom, but this 
should not have any impact.


Here is a simple example:

|\version 2.18.2 \score {  \new StaffGroup  \new Staff { c'1 e'1 
\break g'1 b'1 } \new Staff { d'1 f'1 \break a'1 c''1 }   \layout { 
indent = #0 ragged-right = ##t %\override Staff.VerticalAxisGroup 
#'staff-staff-spacing = #'((basic-distance . 15)) } } |





If you remove the comment sign (%) from the \override sentence at the 
end of the code, the space between the staves increases, but what to 
write to make the same happen between the two systems? Reading the 
manual make me think, that possibly staffgroup-staff-spacing could be 
the solution, but I have had no success so far. I have tried, I think, 
all combinations of contexts and grobs, but none has been successful.


By the way, I also found a discrepancy between the manual and the real 
life. According to the manual (e.g. chapter 4.4.1 in the Notation 
Reference) the override sentence could also be written like:


|\override Staff.VerticalAxisGroup #'staff-staff-spacing 
#'basic-distance = #15 |


but this did not succeed for me. I did also test the modern way of 
writing with dots between the keywords, but with no effect.


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Re: GoldenAge Font

2015-02-18 Thread Urs Liska

Am 18.02.2015 um 14:47 schrieb tisimst:

So, I take it no one has any experience with this font? It looks very
nice and clean.


Just looked at the .gif, and I agree it looks nice and clean.
But is that really significantly different from Improviso?

Urs



- Abraham

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How to increase the distance between systems? (new try)

2015-02-18 Thread Kaj
Sorry, the code example became totally distorted in the previous try, so 
here it is again:

---
I have tried to find in the manuals180 how to increase the distance 
between systems in the same score. I have found how to control the 
distance between individual staves inside the system, but not between 
systems. In my real task I want to fill the page. I see there is plenty 
of room below the last system, but I cannot find out how to get the 
score to expand. I also want to use the tagline at the bottom, but this 
should not have any impact.


Here is a simple example:

\version 2.18.2

\score {
  
\new StaffGroup

  \new Staff
  { c'1 e'1 \break g'1 b'1 }
  \new Staff
  { d'1 f'1 \break a'1 c''1 }

  

  \layout {
indent = #0
ragged-right = ##t
%\override Staff.VerticalAxisGroup #'staff-staff-spacing = 
#'((basic-distance . 15))

  }
}

||




If you remove the comment sign (%) from the \override sentence at the 
end of the code, the space between the staves increases, but what to 
write to make the same happen between the two systems? Reading the 
manual make me think, that possibly staffgroup-staff-spacing could be 
the solution, but I have had no success so far. I have tried, I think, 
all combinations of contexts and grobs, but none has been successful.


By the way, I also found a discrepancy between the manual and the real 
life. According to the manual (e.g. chapter 4.4.1 in the Notation 
Reference) the override sentence could also be written like:


|\override Staff.VerticalAxisGroup #'staff-staff-spacing 
#'basic-distance = #15 |


but this did not succeed for me. I did also test the modern way of 
writing with dots between the keywords, but with no effect.


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Re: GoldenAge Font

2015-02-18 Thread tisimst
So, I take it no one has any experience with this font? It looks very 
nice and clean.

- Abraham

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 Omer Katzir wrote
 found this reference but link is  broken 
 
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 Here's an image: 
 http://www.cellardweller.com/score/images/goldenage.gif
 
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Controlling systems spacing with \vspace

2015-02-18 Thread Menu Jacques
Hello Folks,

I’ve been struggling with this for some time, got help from this list, and 
finally came up with the following (probably partial) observation:
\vspace is taken into account only in \column* blocks, and needs to 
have some space ( ) before and/or after it.

Hence this kind of things in complex situations where a mark, a name and a 
tempo indications are needed at the same time, see the attached file:

  \tempo \markup{
\column {
\vspace #2
  \line {
\raise #-2.0 {\box\bold\fontsize #3 I}
 
\column {
  \Death Of A Soldier\
  \concat {
Adagio 
\concat {
  (
  \smaller \general-align #Y #DOWN \note #4 #1
   = 
  76
  )
}
  }
}
  }
}
  }

Any hint to do better or simpler is welcome!

JM



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Re: Peer review

2015-02-18 Thread Craig Dabelstein
Hi all,

Thanks so much for your feedback. As I suspected there were issues you
raised that I never would have picked up on my own. I really appreciate
your time and expertise.

Craig


On Wed Feb 18 2015 at 8:45:05 PM Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote:

 Am 18.02.2015 um 03:30 schrieb Craig Dabelstein:
  Hi Lilyponders,
 
  I'm not sure if this is an appropriate request for the group, but I was
  wondering if anybody had the time to look at a sample part I have
  typeset and make any comments regarding the typesetting. There may be
  many things here that an experienced typesetter may see that need
  improvement, but my eyes don't pick up.
 
  Here is the link:
  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/614749/Berlioz-02-piccolo.pdf
 
  I do think the part looks a little bit compressed, but I have used the
  page turn engraver (which I think is one of the greatest inventions of
  the modern world!) for instrumental parts such as these.
 
  Many thanks,
 
  Craig
 

 Hi Craig, there's one (minor) issue for readability that I notice. It's
 not your fault but LilyPond's but you may search for a way to improve it
 nevertheless.

 When tuplet number happen to fall into a staff they are not clearly
 readable. Probably it doesn't matter too much because you don't actually
 _read_ them anyway but just notice that they are there.
 Especially problematic is when they fall exactly in a staff space as in
 m. 134ff. where the extenders of the number coincide with the staff lines.

 I'm not sure about the best treat, however. Some ideas:

 - moving the numbers
 - using whiteout
 - selecting a heavier font face

 I don't see a real treat for it, but you may take it as some input.

 HTH
 Urs

 
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Re: How to increase the distance between systems?

2015-02-18 Thread Simon Albrecht

Hello Kaj,

you'd want to search the notation reference for Flexible vertical 
spacing between systems. It's the \paper variable system-system-spacing 
that needs to be adjusted.


HTH, Simon

Am 18.02.2015 15:34, schrieb Kaj:
I have tried to find in the manuals180 how to increase the distance 
between systems in the same score. I have found how to control the 
distance between individual staves inside the system, but not between 
systems. In my real task I want to fill the page. I see there is 
plenty of room below the last system, but I cannot find out how to get 
the score to expand. I also want to use the tagline at the bottom, but 
this should not have any impact.


Here is a simple example:

|\version 2.18.2 \score {  \new StaffGroup  \new Staff { c'1 e'1 
\break g'1 b'1 } \new Staff { d'1 f'1 \break a'1 c''1 }   \layout 
{ indent = #0 ragged-right = ##t %\override Staff.VerticalAxisGroup 
#'staff-staff-spacing = #'((basic-distance . 15)) } } |





If you remove the comment sign (%) from the \override sentence at 
the end of the code, the space between the staves increases, but what 
to write to make the same happen between the two systems? Reading the 
manual make me think, that possibly staffgroup-staff-spacing could 
be the solution, but I have had no success so far. I have tried, I 
think, all combinations of contexts and grobs, but none has been 
successful.


By the way, I also found a discrepancy between the manual and the real 
life. According to the manual (e.g. chapter 4.4.1 in the Notation 
Reference) the override sentence could also be written like:


|\override Staff.VerticalAxisGroup #'staff-staff-spacing 
#'basic-distance = #15 |


but this did not succeed for me. I did also test the modern way of 
writing with dots between the keywords, but with no effect.


Kaj



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Re: How to increase the distance between systems? (new try)

2015-02-18 Thread Noeck
Hi Kaj,

what you need is a system-system-spacing not a staff-staff-spacing,
which is placed in a paper block as documented here:
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/flexible-vertical-spacing-paper-variables#list-of-flexible-vertical-spacing-paper-variables

 \paper {
system-system-spacing.basic-distance = #25
  }

For the staff-staff distance, I think you should set the
default-staff-staff-spacing instead (if you want to adjust that):
\override
Staff.VerticalAxisGroup.default-staff-staff-spacing.basic-distance = #15

HTH,
Joram

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Re: GoldenAge Font

2015-02-18 Thread tisimst
I agree about the chord symbols, but I can remedy that by thickening up the
text font. I've almost got a method for optical music font variants under
my belt, which I hope to apply to ALL the currently available music fonts.
Stay tuned!

- Abraham

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 Well, I think they are quite different, but guess you'll have to tell me :)
 Here's a sample:

 GoldenAge https://db.tt/IjoRTeRO
 Improviso https://db.tt/Qi5feO6A
 LilyJAZZ https://db.tt/4mHExYAx

 - Abraham



 I agree that they are quite different, and I am digging the GoldenAge
 font!  A nice balance between handwritten and legible, with a good amount
 of contrast (although the chord symbols seem light).



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Re: GoldenAge Font

2015-02-18 Thread Urs Liska


Am 18.02.2015 um 17:56 schrieb tisimst:

Urs Liska wrote

Am 18.02.2015 um 14:47 schrieb tisimst:

So, I take it no one has any experience with this font? It looks very
nice and clean.

Just looked at the .gif, and I agree it looks nice and clean.
But is that really significantly different from Improviso?

Urs

Urs,

Well, I think they are quite different, but guess you'll have to tell me :)
Here's a sample:

GoldenAge https://db.tt/IjoRTeRO
Improviso https://db.tt/Qi5feO6A
LilyJAZZ https://db.tt/4mHExYAx

- Abraham


OK, seeing these in context it becomes clear that they are different. 
And I think that it _is_ a very useful and beautiful font.


Urs




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Re: [OT] Translation request

2015-02-18 Thread Urs Liska


Am 19.02.2015 um 00:57 schrieb Thomas Morley:

Hi all,

I've an excerpt (one sentence) of
Michel Corette,
Methode Pour Apprendre Aisement a Jouer de La Flute Traversiere
(png attached)
Can someone translate it into english (or german)?

Any help would be highly appreciated,
   Harm


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Früher bediente man sich der zwei Silben tu, ru, um die 
Zungenschläge auszudrücken. Aber die gegenwärtigen Virtuosen zeigen 
[wörtlich, ich finde, das passt nicht] sie nicht mehr durch tu, ru 
und betrachten diese als eine absurde Sache, die nur dazu dient, den 
Schüler zu blamieren [bzw. Verb für peinlich].


HTH
Urs
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Re: [OT] Translation request

2015-02-18 Thread Urs Liska


Am 19.02.2015 um 01:51 schrieb Thomas Morley:

Am 19. Februar 2015 um 01:26 schrieb Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org:

Am 19.02.2015 um 00:57 schrieb Thomas Morley:

Hi all,

I've an excerpt (one sentence) of
Michel Corette,
Methode Pour Apprendre Aisement a Jouer de La Flute Traversiere
(png attached)
Can someone translate it into english (or german)?

Any help would be highly appreciated,
   Harm


Früher bediente man sich der zwei Silben tu, ru, um die Zungenschläge
auszudrücken. Aber die gegenwärtigen Virtuosen zeigen [wörtlich, ich finde,
das passt nicht] sie nicht mehr durch tu, ru und betrachten diese als
eine absurde Sache, die nur dazu dient, den Schüler zu blamieren [bzw. Verb
für peinlich].

HTH
Urs

Hi Urs,

thanks a lot!
   Harm


It's quite literally translated, I wouldn't want to publish it like 
that. But I supposed that's the better approach as I don't really know 
what you need the translation for.


Urs


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[OT] Translation request

2015-02-18 Thread Thomas Morley
Hi all,

I've an excerpt (one sentence) of
Michel Corette,
Methode Pour Apprendre Aisement a Jouer de La Flute Traversiere
(png attached)
Can someone translate it into english (or german)?

Any help would be highly appreciated,
  Harm
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Re: [OT] Translation request

2015-02-18 Thread Thomas Morley
Am 19. Februar 2015 um 01:26 schrieb Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org:

 Am 19.02.2015 um 00:57 schrieb Thomas Morley:

 Hi all,

 I've an excerpt (one sentence) of
 Michel Corette,
 Methode Pour Apprendre Aisement a Jouer de La Flute Traversiere
 (png attached)
 Can someone translate it into english (or german)?

 Any help would be highly appreciated,
   Harm


 Früher bediente man sich der zwei Silben tu, ru, um die Zungenschläge
 auszudrücken. Aber die gegenwärtigen Virtuosen zeigen [wörtlich, ich finde,
 das passt nicht] sie nicht mehr durch tu, ru und betrachten diese als
 eine absurde Sache, die nur dazu dient, den Schüler zu blamieren [bzw. Verb
 für peinlich].

 HTH
 Urs

Hi Urs,

thanks a lot!
  Harm

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