Re: edition-editor usage

[Jan-Peter Voigt]

Hi Mason,

I'll have to try if both modules are compatible. I usually use the EE to 
set the needed breaks:

\editionModList breaksForTargetX sing.with.bach.Score \break 5,9,13,17

But both solutions shall not compete and I'll have a look into it in 
January ;-)


Best
Jan-Peter

Am 26.12.2017 um 22:56 schrieb Mason Hock:

Thanks for clarifying, Jan-Peter. I think the point I was most confused
on was the x.y.z notation, but you response helped a lot. I now have
edition engraver working with

\addEdition violinI-letter
\editionMod violinI-letter 9 0/8 score.violinI.Voice \once \shapeII
#'(()()(p 110 .6)()) Slur

\consistToContexts #edition-engraver Score.ChoirStaff.Staff.Voice

and

'\editionID violinI' inside of the \with for violin I

and

\context {
   \Score
   \editionID score
}

inside \layout

however, once I added

\context {
   \Score
   \editionID score
}

I lost my page and line breaks defined with
page-layout.conditional-breaks. This happens whether or not the break
set and edition have different names. Are these two libraries
compatible? If so, what is the proper way to use them together.

Thanks for your help, and thanks for developing this tool. Once I get
comfortable using it I'd be happy to help out with the documentation.

Mason



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Re: edition-editor usage

[Mason Hock]

Thanks for clarifying, Jan-Peter. I think the point I was most confused
on was the x.y.z notation, but you response helped a lot. I now have
edition engraver working with

\addEdition violinI-letter
\editionMod violinI-letter 9 0/8 score.violinI.Voice \once \shapeII
#'(()()(p 110 .6)()) Slur

\consistToContexts #edition-engraver Score.ChoirStaff.Staff.Voice

and

'\editionID violinI' inside of the \with for violin I

and

\context {
  \Score
  \editionID score
}

inside \layout

however, once I added

\context {
  \Score
  \editionID score
}

I lost my page and line breaks defined with
page-layout.conditional-breaks. This happens whether or not the break
set and edition have different names. Are these two libraries
compatible? If so, what is the proper way to use them together.

Thanks for your help, and thanks for developing this tool. Once I get
comfortable using it I'd be happy to help out with the documentation.

Mason

Jan-Peter Voigt:
> Hello Mason,
> 
> it is possible to use \shapeII with the edition-engraver :-)
> And it sounds like this is the use case the EE is originally meant for.
> 
> Yes, the wording is a bit inconsistent and/or irritating. I will try to
> sum it up:
> In the recent versions I used the terms target and context to divide two
> dimensions. The target names the requested output like for example
> 'fullscore' or 'violinI-part'. If you "activate" an edition-target with
> \addEdition violinI-part it uses all modifications that look like
> \editionMod violinI-part{ \shapeII
> ... }
> 
> This is a real example I used inside the piano reduction:
> \editionMod klavier 38 0/8 chor.ten.TenorStaff \once \shapeII #'(()(0 .
> 1)()()) Slur
> It means:
> with edition-target 'klavier' (the piano reduction) in measure 38 the
> first eighth apply the shapeII-command inside the context identified by
> 'chor.ten.TenorStaff'.
> Moments are counted zero-based, so the first moment is zero. This might
> irritating on first sight, but it is meaningful as the distance from the
> beginning of the measure. The context in the example above is the tenor
> staff inside the choir-staff.
> 
> I think the main point is understanding the three dimensions:
> 1. the edition-target - that is the condition if to apply the
> modification ... apply this modification for the score of type T(arget)
> 2. the edition-context - that is where to apply the modification ... the
> LilyPond context like Voice, Staff, Score etc.
> 3. the time - that is the musical timestamp when to apply the
> modification ... moment X inside measure Y
> 
> HTH
> 
> I will send more details and information soon!
> But for today and tomorrow I wish you a merry Christmas and all the best
> for 2018!
> 
> Jan-Peter
> 
> 
> Am 23. Dezember 2017 20:09:29 MEZ schrieb Mason Hock :
> 
>I have a piece in which each performer reads from a version of the score
>with their staff full-sized with the other parts on small staves. This
>pieces also requires a lot of manual tweaking of slurs.
> 
>I've been using \shapeII for the slurs, which works great, except that
>if I shape the slur correctly for the full-sized version of the part it
>is shaped incorrectly for the small version of the part and vice versa.
>In order for the slurs to look good in both situations I need two sets
>of \shapeII tweaks.
> 
>edition-editor looks like a promising solution, but I'm having trouble
>learning how to use it. The only documentation I can find is the usage
>examples here.
> 
>   
> https://github.com/openlilylib/edition-engraver/tree/master/usage-examples
> 
>Each example is very specific, which makes it difficult to decode how
>edition-engraver works in general. I guess my questions are
> 
>(1) Will edition-engraver work for tweaking slurs with \shapeII?
> 
>(2) If so, what should be my approach in terms of organization? My guess
>would be to have 8 editions, a full-size version and small version for
>each of the 4 staves, where each pdf uses 1 full-size edition and 3
>small editions.
> 
>(3) How do I make certain 'editions' (at this point I'm questioning
>whether I'm using that term correctly) apply to certain staves in
> each pdf?
> 
>(4) What is the basic syntax for using edition-editor? It's difficult to
>tell from the examples in the repo what is the basic syntax and what is
>extending it.
> 
>Thanks to anyone who can clarify.
> 
>Mason
> 
> 
>
> 
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>lilypond-user@gnu.org
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> 
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Re: OLL-core and Win10 [was Re: edition-editor usage]

[Urs Liska]

Hi Trevor,

Could you please post the *full* log and the input file?
Then I can look into it. I recall having seen this error beforebut not what it 
was about.

Urs

Am 26. Dezember 2017 13:08:49 MEZ schrieb Jan-Peter Voigt :
>Hi Trevor,
>
>I am working on Linux and have no Windows 10 running. I will try on
>Win7 
>later. IIRC there was a problem with oll-core on Windows 10, but maybe 
>someone else can tell?
>The error message indicates a problem before EE is loaded.
>If oll-core is loaded successfully EE *should* work.
>
>Jan-Peter
>
>
>Am 26.12.2017 um 09:41 schrieb Trevor:
>> Hi EE-Users
>> 
>> I thought I'd try to bring the edition engraver into use over the 
>> holiday period, so I cloned edition-engraver and oll-core from
>git-hub 
>> into a local repository, placed that in Frescobaldi's include path
>and 
>> tried to compile the first example in edition-engraver.  It fails
>with 
>> the message:
>> 
>> C:/Users/tdani/openlilylib/oll-core/package.ily:57:2 <0>: error:
>GUILE 
>> signaled an error for the expression beginning here
>> 
>> #
>> 
>> (if (not (defined? 'openlilylib-root))
>> 
>> 
>>
>C:/Users/tdani/AppData/Local/Temp/frescobaldi-u9vnw1qc/tmpuqjcysah/example-1.ly:35:1
>
>> <1>: error: unknown escaped string: `\loadPackage'
>> 
>> 
>> \loadPackage edition-engraver
>> 
>> Before I spend time investigating this further, I'm wondering if the 
>> edition-engraver is known to work within Frescobaldi on Windows 10
>with 
>> LilyPond 2.19.80.  Are there any such users?
>> 
>> Alternatively, any ideas what I might be doing wrong?
>> 
>> Trevor
>> 
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jan-Peter Voigt" mailto:jp.vo...@gmx.de>>
>> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org ; "Mason
>Hock" 
>> mailto:masonh...@gmail.com>>
>> Sent: 24/12/2017 10:19:48
>> Subject: Re: edition-editor usage
>> 
>>> Hello Mason,
>>>
>>> it is possible to use \shapeII with the edition-engraver :-)
>>> And it sounds like this is the use case the EE is originally meant
>for.
>>>
>>> Yes, the wording is a bit inconsistent and/or irritating. I will try
>
>>> to sum it up:
>>> In the recent versions I used the terms target and context to divide
>
>>> two dimensions. The target names the requested output like for
>example 
>>> 'fullscore' or 'violinI-part'. If you "activate" an edition-target 
>>> with \addEdition violinI-part it uses all modifications that look
>like
>>> \editionMod violinI-part{ 
>>> \shapeII ... }
>>>
>>> This is a real example I used inside the piano reduction:
>>> \editionMod klavier 38 0/8 chor.ten.TenorStaff \once \shapeII
>#'(()(0 
>>> . 1)()()) Slur
>>> It means:
>>> with edition-target 'klavier' (the piano reduction) in measure 38
>the 
>>> first eighth apply the shapeII-command inside the context identified
>
>>> by 'chor.ten.TenorStaff'.
>>> Moments are counted zero-based, so the first moment is zero. This 
>>> might irritating on first sight, but it is meaningful as the
>distance 
>>> from the beginning of the measure. The context in the example above
>is 
>>> the tenor staff inside the choir-staff.
>>>
>>> I think the main point is understanding the three dimensions:
>>> 1. the edition-target - that is the condition if to apply the 
>>> modification ... apply this modification for the score of type
>T(arget)
>>> 2. the edition-context - that is where to apply the modification ...
>
>>> the LilyPond context like Voice, Staff, Score etc.
>>> 3. the time - that is the musical timestamp when to apply the 
>>> modification ... moment X inside measure Y
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> I will send more details and information soon!
>>> But for today and tomorrow I wish you a merry Christmas and all the 
>>> best for 2018!
>>>
>>> Jan-Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 23. Dezember 2017 20:09:29 MEZ schrieb Mason Hock 
>>> :
>>>
>>> I have a piece in which each performer reads from a version of
>the score
>>> with their staff full-sized with the other parts on small
>staves. This
>>> pieces also requires a lot of manual tweaking of slurs.
>>>
>>> I've been using \shapeII for the slurs, which works great,
>except that
>>> if I shape the slur correctly for the full-sized version of the
>part it
>>> is shaped incorrectly for the small version of the part and vice
>versa.
>>> In order for the slurs to look good in both situations I need
>two sets
>>> of \shapeII tweaks.
>>>
>>> edition-editor looks like a promising solution, but I'm having
>trouble
>>> learning how to use it. The only documentation I can find is the
>usage
>>> examples here.
>>>
>>>
>https://github.com/openlilylib/edition-engraver/tree/master/usage-examples
>>>
>>> Each example is very specific, which makes it difficult to
>decode how
>>> edition-engraver works in general. I guess my questions are
>>>
>>> (1) Will edition-engraver work for tweaking slurs with \shapeII?
>>>
>>> (2) If so, what should be my approach in terms of organization?
>My guess
>>> would be to have 8 editions

OLL-core and Win10 [was Re: edition-editor usage]

[Jan-Peter Voigt]

Hi Trevor,

I am working on Linux and have no Windows 10 running. I will try on Win7 
later. IIRC there was a problem with oll-core on Windows 10, but maybe 
someone else can tell?

The error message indicates a problem before EE is loaded.
If oll-core is loaded successfully EE *should* work.

Jan-Peter


Am 26.12.2017 um 09:41 schrieb Trevor:

Hi EE-Users

I thought I'd try to bring the edition engraver into use over the 
holiday period, so I cloned edition-engraver and oll-core from git-hub 
into a local repository, placed that in Frescobaldi's include path and 
tried to compile the first example in edition-engraver.  It fails with 
the message:


C:/Users/tdani/openlilylib/oll-core/package.ily:57:2 <0>: error: GUILE 
signaled an error for the expression beginning here


#

(if (not (defined? 'openlilylib-root))


C:/Users/tdani/AppData/Local/Temp/frescobaldi-u9vnw1qc/tmpuqjcysah/example-1.ly:35:1 
<1>: error: unknown escaped string: `\loadPackage'



\loadPackage edition-engraver

Before I spend time investigating this further, I'm wondering if the 
edition-engraver is known to work within Frescobaldi on Windows 10 with 
LilyPond 2.19.80.  Are there any such users?


Alternatively, any ideas what I might be doing wrong?

Trevor

-- Original Message --
From: "Jan-Peter Voigt" mailto:jp.vo...@gmx.de>>
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org ; "Mason Hock" 
mailto:masonh...@gmail.com>>

Sent: 24/12/2017 10:19:48
Subject: Re: edition-editor usage


Hello Mason,

it is possible to use \shapeII with the edition-engraver :-)
And it sounds like this is the use case the EE is originally meant for.

Yes, the wording is a bit inconsistent and/or irritating. I will try 
to sum it up:
In the recent versions I used the terms target and context to divide 
two dimensions. The target names the requested output like for example 
'fullscore' or 'violinI-part'. If you "activate" an edition-target 
with \addEdition violinI-part it uses all modifications that look like
\editionMod violinI-part{ 
\shapeII ... }


This is a real example I used inside the piano reduction:
\editionMod klavier 38 0/8 chor.ten.TenorStaff \once \shapeII #'(()(0 
. 1)()()) Slur

It means:
with edition-target 'klavier' (the piano reduction) in measure 38 the 
first eighth apply the shapeII-command inside the context identified 
by 'chor.ten.TenorStaff'.
Moments are counted zero-based, so the first moment is zero. This 
might irritating on first sight, but it is meaningful as the distance 
from the beginning of the measure. The context in the example above is 
the tenor staff inside the choir-staff.


I think the main point is understanding the three dimensions:
1. the edition-target - that is the condition if to apply the 
modification ... apply this modification for the score of type T(arget)
2. the edition-context - that is where to apply the modification ... 
the LilyPond context like Voice, Staff, Score etc.
3. the time - that is the musical timestamp when to apply the 
modification ... moment X inside measure Y


HTH

I will send more details and information soon!
But for today and tomorrow I wish you a merry Christmas and all the 
best for 2018!


Jan-Peter


Am 23. Dezember 2017 20:09:29 MEZ schrieb Mason Hock 
:


I have a piece in which each performer reads from a version of the score
with their staff full-sized with the other parts on small staves. This
pieces also requires a lot of manual tweaking of slurs.

I've been using \shapeII for the slurs, which works great, except that
if I shape the slur correctly for the full-sized version of the part it
is shaped incorrectly for the small version of the part and vice versa.
In order for the slurs to look good in both situations I need two sets
of \shapeII tweaks.

edition-editor looks like a promising solution, but I'm having trouble
learning how to use it. The only documentation I can find is the usage
examples here.

https://github.com/openlilylib/edition-engraver/tree/master/usage-examples

Each example is very specific, which makes it difficult to decode how
edition-engraver works in general. I guess my questions are

(1) Will edition-engraver work for tweaking slurs with \shapeII?

(2) If so, what should be my approach in terms of organization? My guess
would be to have 8 editions, a full-size version and small version for
each of the 4 staves, where each pdf uses 1 full-size edition and 3
small editions.

(3) How do I make certain 'editions' (at this point I'm questioning
whether I'm using that term correctly) apply to certain staves in each pdf?

(4) What is the basic syntax for using edition-editor? It's difficult to
tell from the examples in the repo what is the basic syntax and what is
extending it.

Thanks to anyone who can clarify.

Mason




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Re[2]: edition-editor usage

[Trevor]

Hi EE-Users

I thought I'd try to bring the edition engraver into use over the 
holiday period, so I cloned edition-engraver and oll-core from git-hub 
into a local repository, placed that in Frescobaldi's include path and 
tried to compile the first example in edition-engraver.  It fails with 
the message:


C:/Users/tdani/openlilylib/oll-core/package.ily:57:2 <0>: error: GUILE 
signaled an error for the expression beginning here

#

(if (not (defined? 'openlilylib-root))



C:/Users/tdani/AppData/Local/Temp/frescobaldi-u9vnw1qc/tmpuqjcysah/example-1.ly:35:1 
<1>: error: unknown escaped string: `\loadPackage'




\loadPackage edition-engraver

Before I spend time investigating this further, I'm wondering if the 
edition-engraver is known to work within Frescobaldi on Windows 10 with 
LilyPond 2.19.80.  Are there any such users?


Alternatively, any ideas what I might be doing wrong?

Trevor


-- Original Message --
From: "Jan-Peter Voigt" 
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org; "Mason Hock" 
Sent: 24/12/2017 10:19:48
Subject: Re: edition-editor usage


Hello Mason,

it is possible to use \shapeII with the edition-engraver :-)
And it sounds like this is the use case the EE is originally meant for.

Yes, the wording is a bit inconsistent and/or irritating. I will try to 
sum it up:
In the recent versions I used the terms target and context to divide 
two dimensions. The target names the requested output like for example 
'fullscore' or 'violinI-part'. If you "activate" an edition-target with 
\addEdition violinI-part it uses all modifications that look like
\editionMod violinI-part{ 
\shapeII ... }


This is a real example I used inside the piano reduction:
\editionMod klavier 38 0/8 chor.ten.TenorStaff \once \shapeII #'(()(0 . 
1)()()) Slur

It means:
with edition-target 'klavier' (the piano reduction) in measure 38 the 
first eighth apply the shapeII-command inside the context identified by 
'chor.ten.TenorStaff'.
Moments are counted zero-based, so the first moment is zero. This might 
irritating on first sight, but it is meaningful as the distance from 
the beginning of the measure. The context in the example above is the 
tenor staff inside the choir-staff.


I think the main point is understanding the three dimensions:
1. the edition-target - that is the condition if to apply the 
modification ... apply this modification for the score of type T(arget)
2. the edition-context - that is where to apply the modification ... 
the LilyPond context like Voice, Staff, Score etc.
3. the time - that is the musical timestamp when to apply the 
modification ... moment X inside measure Y


HTH

I will send more details and information soon!
But for today and tomorrow I wish you a merry Christmas and all the 
best for 2018!


Jan-Peter


Am 23. Dezember 2017 20:09:29 MEZ schrieb Mason Hock 
 :

I have a piece in which each performer reads from a version of the score
with their staff full-sized with the other parts on small staves. This
pieces also requires a lot of manual tweaking of slurs.

I've been using \shapeII for the slurs, which works great, except that
if I shape the slur correctly for the full-sized version of the part it
is shaped incorrectly for the small version of the part and vice versa.
In order for the slurs to look good in both situations I need two sets
of \shapeII tweaks.

edition-editor looks like a promising solution, but I'm having trouble
learning how to use it. The only documentation I can find is the usage
examples here.

https://github.com/openlilylib/edition-engraver/tree/master/usage-examples

Each example is very specific, which makes it difficult to decode how
edition-engraver works in general. I guess my questions are

(1) Will edition-engraver work for tweaking slurs with \shapeII?

(2) If so, what should be my approach in terms of organization? My guess
would be to have 8 editions, a full-size version and small version for
each of the 4 staves, where each pdf uses 1 full-size edition and 3
small editions.

(3) How do I make certain 'editions' (at this point I'm questioning
whether I'm using that term correctly) apply to certain staves in each pdf?

(4) What is the basic syntax for using edition-editor? It's difficult to
tell from the examples in the repo what is the basic syntax and what is
extending it.

Thanks to anyone who can clarify.

Mason





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