Re: [OT] was Re: Rational

[David Kastrup]

Karlin High  writes:

> On 5/23/2018 9:21 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote:
>>> Yes, due to an integer overflow bug, Gandhi's initially hard-coded
>> aggression value of 1 could end up being lowered such that it
>> wrapped around to 255.  And then nukes.
>>
>> BWAHAHAHAHA!  =)
>> K.
>
> Same here. :)
>
> A reference to the "Sid Meier's Civilization" computer games, I
> assume? Never played those, but read somewhere about its
> Gandhi-as-nuclear-madman thing.

Looking at more recent election results I cannot help but wonder whether
voters were speculating on a different kind of wraparound.

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Re: Website down?

[Brent Annable]

Ok thanks Aaron :-)

Brent.

On 24 May 2018 at 15:16, Aaron Hill  wrote:

> On 2018-05-23 21:40, Brent Annable wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Is the Lilypond website down right now? I can't access lilypond.org, the
>> manual or the internals reference from either my laptop or my phone, I get
>> the following message:
>>
>> Internal Server Error
>>
>> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was
>> unable
>> to complete your request.
>>
>> Please contact the server administrator at [no address given] to inform
>> them of the time this error occurred, and the actions you performed just
>> before this error.
>>
>> More information about this error may be available in the server error
>> log.
>> --
>> Apache/2.4.18 (Ubuntu) Server at lilypond.org Port 80
>>
>>
>> Was there planned maintenance or something?
>>
>
> It's been down for most of the day.  Karlin mentioned that archive.org
> has most of the site available in the meantime:
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20180516024136/http://lilypond.org/
>
> I haven't seen any other announcements or status updates, so I take it the
> server admin is not on this list.
>
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Re: Website down?

[Aaron Hill]

On 2018-05-23 21:40, Brent Annable wrote:

Hey all,

Is the Lilypond website down right now? I can't access lilypond.org, 
the
manual or the internals reference from either my laptop or my phone, I 
get

the following message:

Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was 
unable

to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator at [no address given] to inform
them of the time this error occurred, and the actions you performed 
just

before this error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error 
log.

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Was there planned maintenance or something?


It's been down for most of the day.  Karlin mentioned that archive.org 
has most of the site available in the meantime:


https://web.archive.org/web/20180516024136/http://lilypond.org/

I haven't seen any other announcements or status updates, so I take it 
the server admin is not on this list.


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Re: Simple solution for combining an odd number of parts

[David Kastrup]

crimsonsunr...@protonmail.com writes:

> Setting all parts as parallel generates a lot of clashing note
> errors.

Are you using separate Voice contexts with differe \voiceXXX
orientation?

> Is there an easier way of dealing with this issue apart from waiting
> for 2.19?

I don't think that would help in this case anyway.

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Re: Lilypond and Frescobaldi on Fedora 28

[Federico Bruni]

Hi Martin

This has been fixed now, right? (I haven't upgraded to 28 yet)

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1568274


Il giorno dom 6 mag 2018 alle 12:10, Martin Tarenskeen 
<"m.tarenskeen"@zonnet.nl> ha scritto:


Hi,

Official Fedora 28 version of lilypond 2.19.81 is currently broken. 
(I hope a fix will be found soon)
As a workaround the install script for linux from 
http://lilypond.org/download/binaries/ can be used. This one works 
fine.


If you install Frescobaldi from the official Fedora 28 repo it will 
pull in the (broken) lilypond version as a dependency. The default 
settings in Frescobaldi will point to the broken lilypond binary. Go 
to the preferences menu in Frescobaldi and you are ready to rock 
again.


Maybe this can help other Fedora 28 / Lilypond / Frescobaldi users.

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Website down?

[Brent Annable]

Hey all,

Is the Lilypond website down right now? I can't access lilypond.org, the
manual or the internals reference from either my laptop or my phone, I get
the following message:

Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable
to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator at [no address given] to inform
them of the time this error occurred, and the actions you performed just
before this error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
--
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Was there planned maintenance or something?


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Re: Simple solution for combining an odd number of parts

[Karlin High]

On 5/23/2018 10:29 PM, crimsonsunr...@protonmail.com wrote:
I have no idea what to do, other than give up on attempting to make the 
score look like the original


Missed on first reading, sorry.

This is a transcription project? Any chance of including a scanned image 
with some portion of the original?

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Re: Simple solution for combining an odd number of parts

[Karlin High]

On 5/23/2018 10:29 PM, crimsonsunr...@protonmail.com wrote:
Is there an easier way of dealing with this issue apart from waiting for 
2.19?


Tiny examples get better help.


Just to start the process:

% BEGIN LILYPOND CODE
\version "2.19.80"

trOne = { c'4 e' g' r }
trTwo = { c'4 e' r c'' }
trThree = { c'4 r g' c'' }

\score {
  \new Staff <<
\new Voice { \voiceOne \trOne }
\new Voice { \voiceTwo \trTwo }
\new Voice { \voiceThree \trThree }
  >>

  \layout { }
}
% END LILYPOND CODE

Easy way to try a 2.19 version, runs in browser:

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Re: Simple solution for combining an odd number of parts

[Andrew Bernard]

Why wait for 2.19? It's been stable for a long time. You would be unlikely
to encounter bugs.

[Every time I encourage this people jump in a point out all the reasons why
not to use it, but I hammer it hard all day with really complex scores and
have no issues. I think it's wonderful.]

It's certainly available to try.


Andrew



On 24 May 2018 at 13:29,  wrote:

> I'm currently work on reformatting a piece which has many of its
> instruments combined into a single staff in the conductor score. Problem
> is, at least two groups of instruments (trumpet and clarinet) are grouped
> in three, with parts that are played by 1,2 and 2,3, as well as parts that
> are only played by 1,2 or 3. I searched on the issue a bit, and none of the
> solutions I found give the desired results. Chaining two \partcombine
> statements in a row produces a lot of error messages, warnings and wrong
> formatting in case of the former. Setting all parts as parallel generates a
> lot of clashing note errors. I have no idea what to do, other than give up
> on attempting to make the score look like the original and just do all the
> instrument parts as separate staves instead.
>
> Is there an easier way of dealing with this issue apart from waiting for
> 2.19?
>
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Simple solution for combining an odd number of parts

[crimsonsunrise]

I'm currently work on reformatting a piece which has many of its instruments 
combined into a single staff in the conductor score. Problem is, at least two 
groups of instruments (trumpet and clarinet) are grouped in three, with parts 
that are played by 1,2 and 2,3, as well as parts that are only played by 1,2 or 
3. I searched on the issue a bit, and none of the solutions I found give the 
desired results. Chaining two \partcombine statements in a row produces a lot 
of error messages, warnings and wrong formatting in case of the former. Setting 
all parts as parallel generates a lot of clashing note errors. I have no idea 
what to do, other than give up on attempting to make the score look like the 
original and just do all the instrument parts as separate staves instead.

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Re: [OT] was Re: Rational

[Karlin High]

On 5/23/2018 9:21 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote:

Yes, due to an integer overflow bug, Gandhi's initially hard-coded aggression 
value of 1 could end up being lowered such that it wrapped around to 255.  And 
then nukes.


BWAHAHAHAHA!  =)
K.


Same here. :)

A reference to the "Sid Meier's Civilization" computer games, I assume? 
Never played those, but read somewhere about its 
Gandhi-as-nuclear-madman thing.

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Re: [OT] was Re: Rational

[Kieren MacMillan]

> Yes, due to an integer overflow bug, Gandhi's initially hard-coded aggression 
> value of 1 could end up being lowered such that it wrapped around to 255.  
> And then nukes.

BWAHAHAHAHA!  =)
K.


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Re: [OT] was Re: Rational

[Aaron Hill]

On 2018-05-23 19:06, Kieren MacMillan wrote:

. . . [sic] Ghandi had *many* rather shocking flaws . . .


Yes, due to an integer overflow bug, Gandhi's initially hard-coded 
aggression value of 1 could end up being lowered such that it wrapped 
around to 255.  And then nukes.


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Re: [OT] was Re: Rational

[Kieren MacMillan]

Also  is a good video to add perspective to the 
conversation.
Kieren.

> On May 23, 2018, at 10:06 PM, Kieren MacMillan 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Karlin,
> 
>> I'm not Roman Catholic and never studied Mother Teresa's life, but I think 
>> they're approaching Job's-accuser level there. (Someone is GOOD? NO WAY! 
>> Can't stand that, must do immediate tear-down.)
> 
> There have been concerns about her manufactured image, going back decades and 
> from multiple sources — a good place to start related reading is 
> .
> 
> But this is the same with all "heros", of course: John Lennon beat women; 
> Ghandi had *many* rather shocking flaws; etc.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kieren.



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Re: [OT] was Re: Rational

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Karlin,

> I'm not Roman Catholic and never studied Mother Teresa's life, but I think 
> they're approaching Job's-accuser level there. (Someone is GOOD? NO WAY! 
> Can't stand that, must do immediate tear-down.)

There have been concerns about her manufactured image, going back decades and 
from multiple sources — a good place to start related reading is 
.

But this is the same with all "heros", of course: John Lennon beat women; 
Ghandi had *many* rather shocking flaws; etc.

Cheers,
Kieren.


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Re: [OT] was Re: Rational

[Karlin High]

On 5/23/2018 8:44 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote:

Meh… Mother Teresa was no saint.;)


/Copies linked article to OneNote/

Thanks, I had that one dimly in memory but couldn't recall where. I 
wanted it as an example of a media hit-piece. I'm not Roman Catholic and 
never studied Mother Teresa's life, but I think they're approaching 
Job's-accuser level there. (Someone is GOOD? NO WAY! Can't stand that, 
must do immediate tear-down.)


Mark Twain quote: "There are few things harder to bear than the 
annoyance of a good example."

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[OT] was Re: Rational

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Karlin,

>> Could you please remind me where I remarked that?
> Possibly this one.
> 

Thanks for the link.

> NOT noviciacy with Mother Teresa's order, I assume

Meh… Mother Teresa was no saint.  ;)


Cheers,
Kieren.


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Re: Rational

[Karlin High]

On 5/23/2018 7:20 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote:

Hi,


Let's assume that I'm a moron with a room-temperature IQ and, as
our friend Kieran McMullen


I assume you mean me, Kieren MacMillan?


has remarked, "You have no idea what you're talking about."


Could you please remind me where I remarked that?

Thanks,
Kieren.

Possibly this one.



Or at some other point in the previous November 2016 discussion on this 
topic. That was the one that really hooked me on the LilyPond community. 
The one where I saw people at the intersection of music engraving, music 
theory, computer science, and software development with some of the most 
highly-advanced programming languages - but NOT noviciacy with Mother 
Teresa's order, I assume - these people handled a community disruption 
with a surprising amount of grace and intelligence.


Looks like that was a really happening month for lilypond-user; I see 
1,283 posts. It even included a "New Website" discussion. Maybe we 
should start one of those again too, just for completeness. :)


I did archive the public-Github website design proposal from that 
discussion, since I thought it was approaching a Platonic ideal of some 
sort. (Refresh-not-replace, static site, potentially JavaScript-free all 
CSS, mobile-device-responsive, little disruption to existing 
infrastructure, etc)


On second thought, I'll only re-start that discussion (not immediately, 
but in the future) if the people working on the 2.20 release approve, as 
it would be even further distracting from that goal.

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Re: Adding a continuous drone to midi output

[David Kastrup]

Karlin High  writes:

> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 5:05 PM, David Kastrup  wrote:
>> Sigh.  Added basic documentation and harmonized the functionality.
>
> (APPLAUSE)
>
> Does this get a changes entry?

It might.  It's not really Earth shaking functionality, to be honest.

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Re: Adding a continuous drone to midi output

[Karlin High]

On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 5:05 PM, David Kastrup  wrote:
> Sigh.  Added basic documentation and harmonized the functionality.

(APPLAUSE)

Does this get a changes entry?
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Re: Adding a continuous drone to midi output

[David Kastrup]

David Kastrup  writes:

> Karlin High  writes:
>
>> On 5/22/2018 3:57 PM, David Kastrup wrote:
>>> Turns out that I don't have a good idea where to document this in the
>>> manuals.
>>
>> You've already considered this one?
>>
>> 
>
> I've not considered _any_ part of the manuals yet.  You are likely
> right, but no fun: this section of the manual would rather suggest that
> \scaleDurations should likely be made to accept the same kind of
> multiplier, and that appears, like, really icky.
>
> Do we then need a predicate factor? that will accept either a number
> pair (in lieu of a fraction) or a (non-negative?) rational or a moment?
>
> The predicate fraction? remains necessary for indicating "musical"
> fractions (used for meters and tuplets) which are not adequately
> represented with rational numbers because 3/2 and 6/4 need to be
> differentiated.

Sigh.  Added basic documentation and harmonized the functionality.

Current branch: issue5327
Tracker issue: 5327 (https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/5327/)
Rietveld issue: 346810043 (https://codereview.appspot.com/346810043)
Issue description:
  Allow Scheme/identifiers for duration multipliers   Also contains
  commit:  Regtest for computed duration multipliers


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Re: naming a glyph

[Aaron Hill]

On 2018-05-23 13:25, Freeman Gilmore wrote:

The ez way is to picture a peace of music with accidentals then replace
them with microtonal accidentals, but of a different design than what 
is
out there.   I have several ideas for the design of each glyph, I know 
what

I want them to abdicate, and I want them to be more intuitive (no
memorizing).

Thank you,
ƒg


Hi Freeman,

Now that you have mentioned microtonality more clearly--I admit I was 
confused by your original request, thinking only that you wanted to 
change the look of an existing accidental--would the following 
information be of any use to you?


http://x31eq.com/lilypond/

In particular, the section on accidentals mentions that you can define 
your own alist of symbols that correspond to fractions of wholetones.  
You should be able to use `ly:make-pitch` to define the microtones as 
you need them.  It should even be possible to follow the example in 
`define-note-names.scm` to define your own language so you can more 
easily specify the accidentals.  Then you could theoretically use these 
new notes in a normal fashion:



  \version "2.19.81"

  \layout {
\context {
  \Score
  \override Accidental #'glyph-name-alist =
#'((2/3 . "accidentals.natural.arrowup")
   (-3/5 . "accidentals.mirroredflat.backslash"))
}
  }

  #(set! language-pitch-names
`((custom . (
  (xu . ,(ly:make-pitch 0 3 2/3))
  (xd . ,(ly:make-pitch 0 3 -3/5))
  (yu . ,(ly:make-pitch 0 5 2/3))
  (yd . ,(ly:make-pitch 0 5 -3/5))
  (zu . ,(ly:make-pitch 0 7 2/3))
  (zd . ,(ly:make-pitch 0 7 -3/5))


  \language "custom"
  { xu4 xd8( zu yd) zd~ zd2 }


You would of course still need to add your custom glyphs for accidentals 
in the font.  In the example above, I just borrowed two of the 
accidentals and mapped them to the two-thirds up and three-fifths down 
pitches.  But ultimately that is where the binding between pitch and 
glyph happen.


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Re: Lilypond.org is down

[Karlin High]

On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Sven Axelsson  wrote:
> Getting 500-errors for all pages on the lilypond site. Anyone know what's
> going on?

No idea what's going on. But until the server problems resolve, most
info on the site should be available via archive.org



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Re: naming a glyph

[Freeman Gilmore]

​Jacques:

The ez way is to picture a peace of music with accidentals then replace
them with microtonal accidentals, but of a different design than what is
out there.   I have several ideas for the design of each glyph, I know what
I want them to abdicate, and I want them to be more intuitive (no
memorizing).

Thank you,
ƒg

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Jacques Menu Muzhic  wrote:

> Can you supply a picture of what you’d like to obtain?
>
> JM
>
> Le 22 mai 2018 à 16:55, James.Correa  a
> écrit :
>
> Hi Freeman,
>
> If I understand you correct this might help you:
>
> http://lilypondblog.org/2014/04/using-special-characters-from-smufl-fonts/
>
> All the best,
>
> James
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>
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On May 20, 2018 11:39 PM, Freeman Gilmore 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 7:36 PM, Andrew Bernard 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Freeman,
>>
>> Let us know what you re trying to do. Why do you want to create a glyph?
>>
>> Are you new to lilypond? If so, welcome to the Pond!
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> Andrew and others that have responded, thank you:
>
>
> I will start over.   What I was trying to say is that the # (my example)
> is a new glyph to Lilypond; and it has the name “accidentals.sharp” and
> the code “is” (and others).   I am trying to understand this because I
> want to create some accidentals of my own.
>
>
>
> I assume that the “#” is not ‘markup’.  I do not understand what ‘markup’
> is; I do know that is has something to do with text.
>
>
>
> Also, I know that some of the accident are created with markup.
>
>
>
> My original question was how is a glyph correctly named?  I have read
> mf/README several times I think I have that part.
>
>
>
> Then there is the code name, what is the correct way to name the code?   Why
> two names; why not just the code name?
>
>
>
> For my use I would like to be able to use one or more glyphs with a note.
>
>
>
>
> I would like to start by using an unused accidental section of the SMuFL
> Unicode.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
> ƒg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: spacing of gracenote beams

[Amy McGlothlin]

Thorsten,

You're the best.  This works beautifully. I've been able to not only fix
the grip but also the b and c doublings and the taorluath as well.

Thanks so much, once I get all the embellishments the way I want them, then
I will send out a revised bagpipe.ly to folks.

Amy

On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 5:20 AM, Torsten Hämmerle 
wrote:

> Amy McGlothlin wrote
> > Is there something I can adjust to make the spacing of the stems
> > of the gracenotes equal in this case?
>
> Hello Amy,
>
> While, as Andrew pointed out, grace note beaming in general may leave
> something to be desired, the special bagpipe grace ornaments are a case of
> their own:
> Each of them has been specially defined in bagpipe.ly and I agree that the
> spacing of \grip isn't very balanced because the second G "slips" below the
> d far above.
>
> But, fortunately, this can be corrected by just providing a custom
> definition of \grip: when applying some extra \stemspace, everything can be
> shifted to obtain a more balanced look. This has been done in some standard
> definitions, it hasn't been done for \grip, though.
>
> After including "bagpipe.ly", you can change/add whatever you want, e.g.:
>
>   grip  = { \pgrace { G32[ \stemspace #'(0 . 0.4) d G] } }
>
> \stemspace in this case just adds a bit of space to the right of the middle
> stem.
>
> And that's what it looks like (comparing n the original/adapted spacing):
>
> 
>
> Beannachtaí,
> Torsten
>
>
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Re: naming a glyph

[Freeman Gilmore]

James:

I have read this before.   I was thinking that if I place the ​accidentals
in SMuFL local font file I could call them from there using the example
form the article.At this point I only have some ideas about the way the
accidentals should look. I need to know how Lilypond handles microtonal
fonts from SMuFL   I need to  use one or more accidentals per note.  Some
of the accidentals in SMuFL are intended to be used this way; but I do not
know if Lilypond will do this.  I need to try some things with this.
  SMuFL give the specifications for designing fonts; which does not look
that hard once I learn how to run the graphics program.

Thank you,
ƒg



On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 10:55 AM, James.Correa 
wrote:

> Hi Freeman,
>
> If I understand you correct this might help you:
>
> http://lilypondblog.org/2014/04/using-special-characters-from-smufl-fonts/
>
> All the best,
>
> James
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> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On May 20, 2018 11:39 PM, Freeman Gilmore 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 7:36 PM, Andrew Bernard 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Freeman,
>>
>> Let us know what you re trying to do. Why do you want to create a glyph?
>>
>> Are you new to lilypond? If so, welcome to the Pond!
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> Andrew and others that have responded, thank you:
>
>
>
> I will start over.   What I was trying to say is that the # (my example)
> is a new glyph to Lilypond; and it has the name “accidentals.sharp” and
> the code “is” (and others).   I am trying to understand this because I
> want to create some accidentals of my own.
>
>
>
> I assume that the “#” is not ‘markup’.  I do not understand what ‘markup’
> is; I do know that is has something to do with text.
>
>
>
> Also, I know that some of the accident are created with markup.
>
>
>
> My original question was how is a glyph correctly named?  I have read
> mf/README several times I think I have that part.
>
>
>
> Then there is the code name, what is the correct way to name the code?   Why
> two names; why not just the code name?
>
>
>
> For my use I would like to be able to use one or more glyphs with a note.
>
>
>
>
> I would like to start by using an unused accidental section of the SMuFL
> Unicode.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> ƒg
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Lilypond.org is down

[Karen Billings]

Me too - I received an "Internal Server Error" message from Apache/2.4.18 
(Ubuntu) Server at lilypond.org Port 80
Karen
 

On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 10:32 AM, H. S. Teoh  
wrote:
 

 On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 04:50:34PM +0100, Sven Axelsson wrote:
>    Getting 500-errors for all pages on the lilypond site. Anyone know
>    what's going on?
[...]

No idea.  I'm getting 500 errors too. :-(


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Re: Lilypond.org is down

[H. S. Teoh]

On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 04:50:34PM +0100, Sven Axelsson wrote:
>Getting 500-errors for all pages on the lilypond site. Anyone know
>what's going on?
[...]

No idea.  I'm getting 500 errors too. :-(


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Lilypond.org is down

[Sven Axelsson]

Getting 500-errors for all pages on the lilypond site. Anyone know what's
going on?

Sven Axelsson

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