Re: What are new users to do about LilyPond PDF Documentation?

2018-08-22 Thread David Wright 
On Thu 23 Aug 2018 at 10:39:12 (+1000), Andrew Bernard wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> Dial-up? In Australia there is no longer any such service available
> anywhere, as far as I know. Really dial-up? You can't even buy dial-up
> modems any more here. i am curious.

I'm sure there aren't that many left, but they are out there.
I know of one, for example, who lives an hour from Atlanta, Georgia,
who posted in 2015 of their getting under 1kBps at times.

For others, usage limits may be a problem. I don't know: I'm just
warning. Interestingly, Australia is more urbanised than the US.
Another factor may be the politics of how broadband is being
rolled out. Internet access, while good, seems comparatively
expensive in the US: another issue.

How awful can it be?
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/aol-dial-up-a-relic-of-the-past/
though that's probably not the best methodology.

In any case, the archive.org link was a useful one as it seems to
point to the 2.19.81 versions that are good.

> On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 at 09:57, David Wright 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> > The bad news: ~155MB download currently. For dial-up, something
> > like wget (which can restart mid-way) is almost essential.

Cheers,
David.

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Re: What are new users to do about LilyPond PDF Documentation?

2018-08-22 Thread Andrew Bernard 
Hi David,

Dial-up? In Australia there is no longer any such service available
anywhere, as far as I know. Really dial-up? You can't even buy dial-up
modems any more here. i am curious.

Andrew


On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 at 09:57, David Wright 
wrote:

>
> The bad news: ~155MB download currently. For dial-up, something
> like wget (which can restart mid-way) is almost essential.
>
>
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Re: What are new users to do about LilyPond PDF Documentation?

2018-08-22 Thread Andrew Bernard 
Hi Reggie,

Downloading the HTML integrates very nicely with Frescobaldi. Personally, I
have never used the PDF for that reason.

Andrew
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Re: What are new users to do about LilyPond PDF Documentation?

2018-08-22 Thread David Wright 
On Wed 22 Aug 2018 at 15:56:12 (-0700), Reggie wrote:
> I am using LilyPond 2.19.x and currently there is no way to get a
> downloadable PDF manual for either notation or learning because of the
> screwy fonts in the examples and whatnot. Is there any fix for this or will
> all users have to decide between waiting until 2.20 PDFs to be fixed or be
> forced to rely on HTML documentation with an active internet connection?
> What is the issue with the PDFs and when is a realistic time where LilyPond
> new users can download a user manual to learn the software? It's actually
> quite important for this to be solved asap if you think about it. Thank you
> for helping me figure out how to get PDF manuals for the software I'm using
> without using online HTML documents only.

It's a large file, but if you download the documentation bundle
lilypond-2.19.82-1.documentation.tar.bz2 and unpack it on your
computer, then you can browse the HTML pages (which appear to
work correctly) by opening in your browser (for Notation, say):
file:///wherever-you-unpacked-it/share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/notation-big-page.html
All the links should remain as file:/// rather than http://.

File→Open can usually be reached with Ctrl-O.

Of course, it you prefer navigating the PDF, you can always have
both open and just use the browser version when you need to look
at a figure.

The bad news: ~155MB download currently. For dial-up, something
like wget (which can restart mid-way) is almost essential.

Cheers,
David.

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Re: What are new users to do about LilyPond PDF Documentation?

2018-08-22 Thread Karlin High 

On 8/22/2018 5:56 PM, Reggie wrote:

What is the issue with the PDFs and when is a realistic time where LilyPond
new users can download a user manual to learn the software?


Try the archive.org copies.





This post on the lilypond-devel list is the latest status I've seen.



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What are new users to do about LilyPond PDF Documentation?

2018-08-22 Thread Reggie 
I am using LilyPond 2.19.x and currently there is no way to get a
downloadable PDF manual for either notation or learning because of the
screwy fonts in the examples and whatnot. Is there any fix for this or will
all users have to decide between waiting until 2.20 PDFs to be fixed or be
forced to rely on HTML documentation with an active internet connection?
What is the issue with the PDFs and when is a realistic time where LilyPond
new users can download a user manual to learn the software? It's actually
quite important for this to be solved asap if you think about it. Thank you
for helping me figure out how to get PDF manuals for the software I'm using
without using online HTML documents only.



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how to get y-extent for tuplet number

2018-08-22 Thread Stefan Thomas 
Dear community,
I have a problem with the spacing between the piano staff for the left hand
and the violin staff.
I would like to increase the distance.
Off course, I could do it generally, but I would like to do it for just a
few measures.
I tried it by changing the minimun-Y-extent for tupletnumber and tuplet
bracket, but this didn't work.
Is there another way to get the desired output?
Thanks for Your help!
Stefan
 % SNUPPET
\version "2.18.2"
% \include"bibliotheken.ly"
% definitions
\include"deutsch.ly"
re = { \change Staff = rechts }
li = { \change Staff = links }

rokt = #(define-music-function (parser location x) (ly:music?)
 #{ \re
\context Voice <<$x \transpose c c' { $x } >>
 #})
lokt = #(define-music-function (parser location x) (ly:music?)
 #{ \li
\context Voice <<$x \transpose c c, { $x } >>
 #})

rechts = { \ottava #2
 \tupletSpan 4 \tuplet 5/4 { \rokt h'''16 \lokt  as'''8 g'''  fis'''16
\rokt b''' \li a'''  \rokt as'''8
 \lokt  f'''16
   \rokt b'''4 \rokt h'''16 \li fis''' g''' \rokt b''' \li a''' }
}

links = {  \ottava #1 s1 }
Violin = { \ottava #1 h'''8( as'''8  g''' b''' a''' as''' f''' h''' )}
\score {
<<
\new PianoStaff  = "Klavier"
<<
\new Staff= "rechts" { \rechts }
   \new Staff = "links" { \links} >>

\new Staff \Violin
>>
}
% ENDE SNIPPET
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Re: Proprietary Software term

2018-08-22 Thread David Kastrup 
Jacques Menu Muzhic  writes:

> Hello Johan,
>
> Do you know the *real* difference between theory and practice? In
> theory, they’re one and the same thing, but in practice, they’re quite
> different...

It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.

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Re: Proprietary Software term

2018-08-22 Thread Jacques Menu Muzhic 
Hello Johan,

Do you know the *real* difference between theory and practice? In theory, 
they’re one and the same thing, but in practice, they’re quite different...

JM

> Le 22 août 2018 à 09:25, Johan Vromans  a écrit :
> 
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:21:08 -0700, Aaron Hill 
> wrote:
> 
>> Patents are entirely concerned with inventions, that is novel, useful, 
>> and non-obvious solutions to specific problems that result either in an 
>> actual product or a practical process.
> 
> That's the theory... Practice is different, unfortunately.
> 
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Re: Proprietary Software term

2018-08-22 Thread Johan Vromans 
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:21:08 -0700, Aaron Hill 
wrote:

> Patents are entirely concerned with inventions, that is novel, useful, 
> and non-obvious solutions to specific problems that result either in an 
> actual product or a practical process.

That's the theory... Practice is different, unfortunately.

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