Re: Anyone know this ornament?

[Engraver]

Thanks, Andreas, for the link to that resource. Very helpful for readin 
all sorts of tablature. I don't think it is the same ornament, but it's 
meaning is probably similar, i.e. some form of arpeggio or 
slide\schleiffer. In L 27 Seger writes the same ornament between the two 
staves, perhaps meaning one arpeggio over both chords instead of each 
chord it's own arpeggio. Anyway, I'm not sure, but rendering it as 
arpeggio or with grace-niotes is easier than try and emulate the exact 
form of the ornament :-).


And yes, I'm the one with the Youtube organ channel. Liardon's 
Triosonata was a great work to perform. Too bad it was left unfinished.


Regards,
Auke

Op 24-2-2024 om 09:14 schreef samarutuk:

Hello Auke,

perhaps it is the ornament in the appendix, even if it is above the 
note in this example. I found it on IMSLP in Johannes Wolf's "Handbuch 
für Notationskunde", Volume 2 
(https://vmirror.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/f/f8/IMSLP459872-PMLP747010-handbuchdernotat02wolf.pdf).


Regards
Andreas

P.S. Are you the one with the Youtube organ channel? I discovered you 
at some point while searching for Gaël Liardon. Very nice that you 
have recorded some of his work (especially the Trio en sol majeur).



Am 19.02.2024 um 19:28 schrieb Engraver:


This is a screenshot of the entire page.



Op 19-2-2024 om 19:25 schreef Stefan Thomas:

Dear Auke,
I don't know this ornament either but maybe it could be useful to 
see a few bars more of this music.

Best,
Stefan


Hallo, 


I'm transcribing the organ music of Josef Ferdinand Norbert
Seger. The prelude I'm currently working on, shows an
ornamentation I am not familiar with. See screenshot. I think it
is probably meant as arpeggio, but I'm not sure. Does anyone
know for sure what it is? 

Regards, Auke 

Anyone know this ornament?

[Engraver]

Hallo,

I'm transcribing the organ music of Josef Ferdinand Norbert Seger. The 
prelude I'm currently working on, shows an ornamentation I am not 
familiar with. See screenshot.
I think it is probably meant as arpeggio, but I'm not sure. Does anyone 
know for sure what it is?


Regards,
Auke

Re: Multiple versions of Lilypond?

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Op 24-10-2021 om 15:51 schreef Knute Snortum:

On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 3:38 PM Kira Garvie  wrote:

Hi all,
I saw this referenced in the Frescobaldi manual, but is it possible to have 
multiple versions of Lilypond installed on my computer at once? Many of you 
know I have to use version 2.16.2 for my work (don't ask me why, I honestly 
don't know), but I would like to use a more recent version for some other 
engraving jobs. And can I use an older version of Frescobaldi with a newer 
version of Lilypond?

As far as I know, you can use any version of Frescobaldi with any
version of LilyPond.  Frescobaldi has the capacity to store the paths
to multiple versions of LilyPond and can even change the LilyPond
version based on what you write in the \version command of your input
file.

Check out Edit -> Preferences -> LilyPond Preferences.

--
Knute Snortum



It's easy to use multiple versions of Lilypond with Frescobaldi on 
Windows. Just associate the .ly-extension with Frescobaldi. In the 
Lilypond preferences of Frescobaldi one can easily change which version 
Frescobaldi uses for engraving ; and it's even possible to check an 
option which makes Frescobaldi choose the Lilypond version based on the 
file to be engraved. Couldn't be easier.


Regards,

Auke

Re: Instructions to install lilypond onto Raspberry Pi

[Engraver]

It means you don't have all the required dependencies installed. Beginning 
with guile-1.8, plus all the others in the error message. The way forward 
is to install each of them. I'm my experience it was quite a puzzle to find 
all the right package names. It took al lot of googling. Unfortunately I 
did not write them down. For guile I do remember you have to install the 
guile-1.8-dev package. If your distribution is debian based, installing is 
done by typing


sudo apt-get install guile-1.8-dev

At leat the error message about guile should disappear.

I managed to compile lilypond on my arm based tablet, create a deb-package 
from and used that to install lilypond on one of my raspberries. If you are 
interested I could sent it to you. I 'm not at home at the moment so it'll 
have to wait till I get back.


Regards,
Auke


Op 11 oktober 2018 17:41:49 schreef Vivyan :

Im following you instructions Jamie Ching this is what the compiler says
after the first configure:

WARNING: Please consider installing optional programs or files:
guile-2.0 < 1.9.0 (installed: 2.0.13)

ERROR: Please install required programs:  International New Century
Schoolbook fonts (make sure the fc-list utility can see them, or use
--with-ncsb-dir) bison flex FlexLexer.h (flex package) mf-nowin mf mfw
mfont mpost kpsewhich metapost CTAN package (texlive-metapost)
guile-config (guile-devel, guile-dev or libguile-dev package) or
guile1-config (guile1-devel package) libguile (libguile-dev,
guile-devel or guile-dev package). GUILE-with-rational-bugfix
fontforge t1asm makeinfo texi2html dblatex bibtex pdflatex pdfetex
pdftex etex texi2pdf texindex epsf.tex lh CTAN package
(texlive-lang-cyrillic or texlive-texmf-fonts) pngtopnm convert

See INSTALL.txt for more information on how to build LilyPond


its not quite clear what I do next can you show me?...sorry for my ignorance



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Re: How to create an installer from the Lilypond build tree?

[Engraver]

For future reference if anyone searching the archives comes across this 
thread: I finally managed to create a debian package for the lilypond 
build I made on my tablet (arm architecture). There exists a tool, 
called "checkinstall", that can be used to install a build from source 
and at that at the same times creates a deb-package for it. It can also 
create installers for several other distros.


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Re: two voices system - one "Pause" R1 on the b line?

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Op 9 september 2018 14:08:29 schreef Bernhard Kleine :

Thank you Phil

I now managed this with

\override MultiMeasureRest.staff-position = #0 from the Documentation
for one voice. The other voice gets s1.

Bernhard

An alternative would be to use the merge-rests-engraver. That way you can 
type rests per voice as they are, and the engraver merges them if they 
happen to be the same length. Very neat.


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Re: How to create an installer from the Lilypond build tree?

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Op 24 augustus 2018 15:40:30 schreef Federico Bruni :


And you may build a deb package from your desktop computer

That's a nice idea. No idea how that is done, but it's worth investigating. 
Thanks for the suggestion!


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Re: How to create an installer from the Lilypond build tree?

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Op 24 augustus 2018 12:11:05 schreef Federico Bruni :

Il giorno sab 18 ago 2018 alle 21:44, Engraver
<"partitura.org"@gmail.com> ha scritto:
Hallo all,

I have a (rooted) Android tablet, on which I run Linux Debian by
means of an app called Linux Deploy. The debian repositories for the
ARMv7 (or armhf) chipset only contain Lilypond 2.18.2. That served me
well for quite some time. However, the Edition Engraver requires at
least Lilypond 2.19.xx, so I decided to try and build Lilypond on my
tablet. I cloned the Lilypond source code and after several hours of
painstakingly apt-getting al required dependecies (and googling for
the correct packages names, since they're not always self-evident)
the build process succeeded.
So I have now a Lilypond version 2.21.0 suitable for the armhf
architecture.
Installing it was as simple as typing 'make install'. What I'd like
to know: is there a way to create an installer, so that I can run
that when something goes wrong with my current Linux installation?
And of course, if someone is interested in a recent Lilypond build
for armhf (though I suspect the possible user base is quite
small...), I'd love to share it. That is, if there is a way to create
an installer; it's not practical to zip/tar the build-tree and share
that.

Regards,
Auke

Hi Auke

I guess you are using Debian Jessie (oldstable)?
If you upgrade to Stretch and add the stretch-backports repository,
you'll get 2.19.x versions. See here:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=lilypond

Hello Federico,

I use the testing version of Debian Buster. There is indeed (on first 
sight) a Lilypond 2.19 in the repositories. I installed that and ran ' 
lilypond -version': it reports itself as "2.18.2". Then I looked more 
closely to the packagename. It is called: "2.19.81+really-2.18.2-13". It 
seems that the experimental brach of Buster does have a real 2.19.xx. 
However, I only saw that after already having compiled Lilypond myself.
I only wish there were a way to create an installer so that I don't have to 
create the complete build environment anew when something goes wrong with 
my current Linux installation.







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How to create an installer from the Lilypond build tree?

[Engraver]

Hallo all,

I have a (rooted) Android tablet, on which I run Linux Debian by means of 
an app called Linux Deploy. The debian repositories for the ARMv7 (or 
armhf) chipset only contain Lilypond 2.18.2. That served me well for quite 
some time. However, the Edition Engraver requires at least Lilypond 
2.19.xx, so I decided to try and build Lilypond on my tablet. I cloned the 
Lilypond source code and after several hours of painstakingly apt-getting 
al required dependecies (and googling for the correct packages names, since 
they're not always self-evident) the build process succeeded.

So I have now a Lilypond version 2.21.0 suitable for the armhf architecture.
Installing it was as simple as typing 'make install'. What I'd like to 
know: is there a way to create an installer, so that I can run that when 
something goes wrong with my current Linux installation? And of course, if 
someone is interested in a recent Lilypond build for armhf (though I 
suspect the possible user base is quite small...), I'd love to share it. 
That is, if there is a way to create an installer; it's not practical to 
zip/tar the build-tree and share that.


Regards,
Auke



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Re: Edition Engraver and staff changes

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Hallo Jan-Peter,

Thanks for the clarification. I had hoped it would be possible in some 
other way. Hopefully it will be possible in a future version of the EE. 
Until then I'll do it the old-fashioned way (manually).


Auke


Op 15 augustus 2018 07:50:57 schreef Jan-Peter Voigt :

Hello Auke,

yes you are right, \change Staff cannot be used with the EE. Some time
ago I tried to make it possible, but it results in a fatal crash of
lilypond if the EE sends such an event. I add this to the issues.

Jan-Peter




Am 14.08.2018 um 21:51 schrieb Partitura Organum:
Hello all,

In organ music it is quite common that one of the hands plays a part
that is either to high or to low for the  'common' clefs, but that can
be perfectly rendered with the alto clef. Not many organists are still
able to read the alto clef, so I usually make to versions, one with the
alto clef, and one with the part distributed over two staves (see images
for an example).








Since the notes do not change, only the way they are rendered, I thought
it would be a good use case for the edition engraver.  Problem however
is that the Edition Engraver references contexts and I cannot tell one
context to become another. The command 'change Staff' cannot be used
with the Edition Engraver. Below is my (not so minimal) not-working
example. Is there a way to tell the Edition Engraver that a part should
switch Staff? Or is the Edition Engraver not suitable for my use case
(which means that I should continue to do it manually)?


%==
\include "/oll-core/package.ily"
\loadPackage edition-engraver
%\addEdition alto
\addEdition nonalto
\consistToContexts #edition-engraver Score.Staff.Voice

righthand = \relative c''{
a2 a |
b1 |
c4 b a2\trill
}

lefthand = \relative c'{
f8 e d c d c b a |
gis8 a b c d e fis gis |
a8 a, b cis d d, e fis |
}

pedal = \relative c {
b2 d  |
e1  |
a,2 c
}

lefthandnonalto=\relative c'{
\clef bass
\change Staff="right" \voiceTwo f8 e d c d c \change Staff="left"
\oneVoice b a |
gis a b c \change Staff="right" \voiceTwo d e fis gis |
a \change Staff="left" \oneVoice a, b cis d d, e fis |
}


\editionMod alto 1 0/4 left.Voice.A \clef alto

\editionMod nonalto 1 0/4 right.Voice.A \voiceOne
\editionMod nonalto 1 0/4 left.Voice.A \change Staff="right"
\editionMod nonalto 1 0/4 left.Voice.A \voiceTwo

\score {
<<
\new Staff = "right" \with {
\editionID right
}
\new Voice {  \righthand }

\new Staff = "left" \with {
\editionID left
}
%\new Voice { \lefthand}
\new Voice { \lefthandnonalto}

\new Staff {
\clef bass \pedal
}

>

}
%===

Regards,
Auke



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Re: Question about GUB and source code update

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Op 14 augustus 2018 23:06:54 schreef "Phil Holmes" :

Please look at:

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/contributor/minor-release-checklist

which I follow for "standard" development builds.

I also aim to follow "Subsequent builds" in
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/contributor/notes-on-builds-with-gub

Please let me know if this doesn't help.

--
Phil Holmes


That seems pretty complicated. Also, I'm not building 'official' releases, 
just a windows-version of Lilypond for my own use. Ideally that build is 
based on the most recent master branch. So I guess my question is: does 
GUB's command "make lilypond"  automatically perform a 'pull' of origin 
master? Or do I have to perform that step manually myself before issuing 
'make lilypond'?


Auke





- Original Message -
From: "Partitura Organum" 
To: "lilypond-user" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 5:07 PM
Subject: Question about GUB and source code update


Hello,

About a month ago I succeeded in getting GUB running and compiling in
VirtualBox on my Windows 10 machine. So I have now a working Windows
version of Lilypond 2.21 from the source code as it was a month ago. What
I'd like to know is: what happens if I run GUB again? Do I then build the
same Lilypond version again? Or does GUB automatically refresh the source
code and is the result a 'newer' Lilypond? I did run it again, but the
version is number is the same, so that's a bit inconclusive.

Regards,
Auke

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Fwd: Re: repeatTie length

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On 22-4-2018 05:24, Andrew Bernard wrote:
How can you make a repeatTie longer? The default is a little too 
crimped for my style.


Andrew



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I pickesdup two short functions on this list in the last few months to 
extend a repeatTie. I should probably look up the original posts, 
however, I have them ready in my include library:


repeatTieExtend =
#(define-music-function (parser location arg-repeat-tie-extend) (number?)
#{
-\tweak X-extent #(cons (* (+ arg-repeat-tie-extend 4) -1) 0)
-\tweak details.note-head-gap #(* arg-repeat-tie-extend -1)
-\tweak extra-offset #(cons (* arg-repeat-tie-extend -1) 0)
-\tweak head-direction #1
\laissezVibrer
#})

Use as:  d,4^\repeatTieExtend #0.6

= Second possibility:

extendRT =
#(define-music-function (parser location further) (number?)
   #{
 \once \override RepeatTie.X-extent = #'(0 . 0)
 \once \override RepeatTie.details.note-head-gap = #(/ further -2)
 \once \override RepeatTie.extra-offset = #(cons (/ further -2) 0)
   #})

use as: \extendRT#2 a2\repeatTie

Regards,
Auke


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Fwd: Re: Stanzas over staves

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On 18-4-2018 07:20, Helge Kruse wrote:

But there are some open points.

- The harp requires two staff lines. I managed to remove the 
outside-staff-priority for one staff. But the other staff line is 
pushed away. How can I use both staves of one harp for the text? How 
could I place the text covering all staves of the score and avoid 
Lilyponds anti-collision routines that moves the staff lines away?


- The readability of the text could be improved by changing to color 
of the lines in the narrative measure to gray, light gray, or probably 
white. LSR #700 shows a way to color staff lines. But is there a 
simpler way when I need a common color for all lines?


Best regards
Helge 



I use "with-dimensions" if I want to place some text over staves. And
"\whiteout" can be used to blot out the staff-lines. See attached.
It's rather hackish, so I hope the more knowledgeable members of the
list have a more elegant solution for you.

Regards,
Auke

\version "2.19.80"

\header {
  title = "Max and Moritz"
}

% http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=780
narrative = {
  \once\override TextScript.extra-spacing-width = #'(0 . 0)
  %\once\override TextScript.Y-offset = #2
  %\once\override TextScript.outside-staff-priority = ##f
  %\once\override TextScript.self-alignment-X = #LEFT
  %\once\override Stem.transparent = ##t
  %\once\override NoteHead.transparent = ##t
  %\once\override NoteHead.no-ledgers = ##t
}


scoreAUpperHarpI = \relative c'' {
  c4 4 4 4
  s1
  s
  \narrative s1^\markup 
\with-dimensions #'(0 . 42) #'(0 . 0)
\override #'(line-width . 40)
\translate #'(0 . -1.5) 
\wordwrap { Of two youths, named Max and Moritz, Who, instead of early turning Their young minds to useful learning, Often leered with horrid features At their lessons and their teachers. }
  s
}

scoreALowerHarpI = \relative c' { s1 s s s s }

scoreAUpperHarpII = \relative c'' {
  s1
  \narrative s^\markup 
 \with-dimensions #'(0 . 22) #'(0 . 0)
 \whiteout \override #'(line-width . 20) 
 \translate #'(0 . 0) 
 \wordwrap   { Ah, how oft we read or hear of  Boys we almost stand in fear of!  For example, take these stories  
   }
   s1
   s
   e4 4 4 4
}

scoreALowerHarpII = \relative c' { s1 s s s s }

scoreAUpperHarpIII = \relative c'' { s s | d4 4 4 4 | s1 s }

scoreALowerHarpIII = \relative c' { s1 s s s s }

scoreAHarpIPart = \new PianoStaff \with {
  instrumentName = "Harfe I"
} <<
  \new Staff = "upper" \scoreAUpperHarpI
  \new Staff = "lower" { \clef bass \scoreALowerHarpI }
>>


scoreAHarpIIPart = \new PianoStaff \with {
  instrumentName = "Harfe II"
} <<
  \new Staff = "upper" \scoreAUpperHarpII
  \new Staff = "lower" { \clef bass \scoreALowerHarpII }
>>

scoreAHarpIIIPart = \new PianoStaff \with {
  instrumentName = "Harfe III"
} <<
  \new Staff = "upper" \scoreAUpperHarpIII
  \new Staff = "lower" { \clef bass \scoreALowerHarpIII }
>>

\score {
  <<
\scoreAHarpIPart
\scoreAHarpIIPart
\scoreAHarpIIIPart
  >>
  \layout { }
}

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Re: A capo in a subtitle and in the names of instruments

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I think OP means ' how to get two lines in a subtitle'.

I.e. something like
subtitle =  \markup \column  {
 \line {"Subtitle"}
 \line {"da capo" }
 }

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How to move a note just a little

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Hi guys,

 I am engraving a chorale prelude by Georg Friedrich Kauffmann. There is a 
bar where I want the alto voice to cross over to the left hand staff, see 
the example below. But then the b in the alto voice clashed with both d's 
in tenor- and bass voice. I'd like to move the b in the alto a little to 
the left, or both d's in the tenor and bass a little to the right. I have 
tried NoteColumn.force-shift, NoteColumn.X-offset and 
NoteHead.extra-spacing-width in various combinations on the clashing notes, 
but nothing gives the desired effect. I can put voiceThree before d in the 
tenor voice and it moves out of the way nicely. But the d in the bass voice 
stays where it is and that's not the effect that I want, I want them to 
stay merged.


Is there a way in Lilypond to nudge a note (either the b in the alto voice, 
or both d's in tenor and bass) a little to the left or to the right?



\version "2.18.2"

global = {
  \key g \major \time 4/4
}

soprano = \relative c' {
  \global
  fis2 g |
}

alto = \relative c' {
  \global
  c4~ \once \override Beam.positions = #'(-4.5 . -5) c8 \change 
Staff="left"  \voiceOne  b16 a 

  b8 g a b 
}

tenor = \relative c'  {
  \global 
  a4. d,8 \voiceThree d2 
}

bass = \relative c   {
  \global \clef bass
  a8 d d d g,2
}

  \score {
  \new PianoStaff
  <<
    \new Staff = "right" 
    <<
    \soprano \\ \alto
    >>
    \new Staff = "left" 
    <<
    \tenor \\  \bass
    >>
  >>
  }  


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Auke

 



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Re: tuplet slurs

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On 17-4-2017 16:04, David Nalesnik wrote:


The goal would be to have it in LilyPond, of course.  My reason for
not putting this forward (now that I've found a way past the problem
mentioned in the quote) is that it's a stub, a sketch, more suited to
"unstable" releases than the impending 2.20 release.  I should
probably hold off until there's a clear separation between material
destined for 2.20 and ongoing development.  (I don't know anything
about a timetable.)

I alluded to a revised patch above.  I could post it so the code would
be available, though you would of course need to build LilyPond to use
it.  (In my experience, it's no big deal to set up and use LilyDev.)

-David


Thanks for the answer.
Than I should probably learn to build Lilypond from source myself. The 
tuplet slurs fit the music I'm engraving (baroque organ music) better 
than the default 'hooks'. Learning how to compile Lilypond is probably 
an inevitable step for anyone who uses Lilypond for several years...


Regards,
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Re: Cross-staff tie interferes with staff spacing

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I think the problem is the cross-staff tie itself. Without the \shape line 
it is drawn above the right-hand staff, but the inner workings of lilypond 
somehow 'remember'  the original starting point, i.e. above the left hand 
staff. If you use the \shape line to visually lower the starting point of 
the tie, you lower the original starting point of the tie as well, hence 
pushing the pedal staff down.


Perhaps it's better to mimic the cross-staff tie with a cross-staff slur.

Regards,
Auke




Op 7 april 2017 19:01:13 schreef DJF :

I’ve got a cross-staff tie in an organ piece which appears to be 
responsible for adding unwanted space between the L.H. staff and the Pedal 
staff. If I comment out the \shape line, the spacing then conforms as 
expected, using the values in the second VerticalAxisGroup block, but then 
the tie goes way up above the R.H. staff.


There are a few programming errors in the log: “My pure_y_common is a 
VerticalAlignment, which might contain several staves” and “Some of my 
vertical-skyline-elements are outside my VerticalAxisGroup”.


I have a suspicion that I may be going about this (staff spacing) in a way 
which is not ideal, but it’s what I’ve been using and it largely works. 
I’ll happily take any comments on that, but my primary concern at present 
is getting the tie in the right place, and, at the same time, having the 
proper spacing to the Pedal staff. I’d be grateful for any advice.


-- Dan



\version "2.19.58"

rightOne = \relative c' {
   4 g' fis
}

leftOne = \relative c {
  \shape #'((-0.8 . -12.0) (-0.8 . -11.0) (-1.9 . -10.0) (-0.7 . -7.0)) Tie
   \change Staff = "right" \stemDown a2
}

pedal = \relative c {
  a4 b2
}

\score {
  <<
\new PianoStaff \with { \remove "Vertical_align_engraver" } % removes extra 
space before pedal staff

<<
  \new Staff = "right" \with  {
\override VerticalAxisGroup.default-staff-staff-spacing =
#'((basic-distance . 12.3)
   (minimum-distance . 9)
   (padding . 1)
   (stretchability . 15)) } % section above controls spacing between hands
  { \rightOne }

\new Staff = "left" \with  {
\override VerticalAxisGroup.default-staff-staff-spacing =
#'((basic-distance . 9.5)
   (minimum-distance . 7.0)
   (padding . 0)
   (stretchability . 0)) } % section above controls spacing between LH and 
pedal
{ \clef bass \leftOne }
>>
  \new Staff = "pedal" { \clef bass \pedal }
  >>
}
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Re: Partial

[Engraver]

Op 18 maart 2017 21:49:17 schreef Joseph Austin :



But thinking about it, I'm wondering why one would want to notate a 
different duration than is actually played,




A reason can be to make room in the bar for something else. For example, I 
use it to engrave grace-like notes at the end of a bar. This happens a lot 
in the baroque organ music I am typesetting. By playing with the fractions 
in this example the position of f sharp-g relative to the left hand part 
can be controlled.


\version "2.18.2"

musicRH = \relative c'' {  g2*7/8\mordent( \teeny fis16*1/2 g) \normalsize 
\grace fis8( e2) }


musicLH = \relative c' { \clef bass e8 b a b g e g a |}

\score = {
 <<
\musicRH
\new Staff \musicLH
 >>
}



I'm relatively new to Lilypond at this level of detail.
All I can say is that the allowed forms and interpretation of \partial 
isn't so clear to me from the existing documentation.




I recognize that sentiment. I am sure the information is all there. But 
it's not always clear to someone who isn't already versed in Lilypond.


Regards,
Auke

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Re: Klammern und verkleinerte Noten

[Engraver]

On 8-3-2017 14:43, Andrew Bernard wrote:

Hi Phil,

Yes, but how do you get a bracket around two voices as per the bass 
line in the image example given?


Andrew




\grace {\override ParenthesesItem.font-size=#6 \parenthesize f8}
instead of
\grace f8
works.

Regards,
Auke
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