2 \tempo command at the same time

2015-03-20 Thread Anton Curl

Hi everyone!

I'd like to put an indication displayed in all the parts but only once 
in the score, like a tempo mark.


I found this syntax:
  \tempo \markup { swing }
But at the same place in the score, I already have a \tempo command:
  \tempo 4=125
  \tempo \markup { swing }
  c

And Lilypond ignore the second.

What do I have to do to display both indications?

Thanks

Anton Curl

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Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time

2015-03-20 Thread Craig Dabelstein
Hi Anton,

Can't you do:

\tempo Swing 4=125

Or is that not what you are looking for?

Craig


On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 at 17:59 Anton Curl curl.an...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone!

 I'd like to put an indication displayed in all the parts but only once
 in the score, like a tempo mark.

 I found this syntax:
\tempo \markup { swing }
 But at the same place in the score, I already have a \tempo command:
\tempo 4=125
\tempo \markup { swing }
c

 And Lilypond ignore the second.

 What do I have to do to display both indications?

 Thanks

 Anton Curl

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Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time

2015-03-20 Thread Paul Scott
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 08:59:27AM +0100, Anton Curl wrote:
 Hi everyone!
 
 I'd like to put an indication displayed in all the parts but only once in
 the score, like a tempo mark.
 
 I found this syntax:
   \tempo \markup { swing }
 But at the same place in the score, I already have a \tempo command:
   \tempo 4=125
   \tempo \markup { swing }
   c
 
 And Lilypond ignore the second.
 
 What do I have to do to display both indications?


   \tempo \markup { swing } 4=125
   c

HTH

Paul Scott



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Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time

2015-03-20 Thread Anton Curl
In fact I'm transcribing a jazz song for classical musicians. There are 
tempo changes and also a passage without swing.


So I prefer to stay relatively accurate in the indications and avoid any 
confusion.


Anton Curl

On 20/03/2015 15:20, Robert Schmaus wrote:
Well you *can* do that (and I've seen it done that way), but often - 
the music being improvised anyway - you don't really have a tempo 
indication, except for Swing, Med. Swing, Uptempo Swing, Ballad etc., 
and those are just suggestions or show how the piece was played in a 
referenced recording. That's, if we're talking about a lead sheet - 
look into a Real Book for examples.


If it's orchestral music (eg Big Band), the score probably contains 
more exact tempo values (which my Big Band conductor usually ignores 
...).




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Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time

2015-03-20 Thread Robert Schmaus
If you're producing a jazz lead sheet (as the swing indicates), you're wrong. 

\tempo Swing 4=125

Merely indicates that the *style* is Swing while the tempo is 125. You could 
also write 
\tempo Swing 4=200
Which would indicate that this is a swing piece of tempo 200. 

Jazz tempo indications don't work like classical ones where a tempo name also 
implies a certain (narrow) range of bpm. 

Best, Rob 

__

Don't ask me who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lambs he's digested, 
and I've been reading all my life. 
-- Giorgos Seferis

 On 20 Mar 2015, at 10:03, Anton Curl curl.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 That's not exactly what I want.
 
 \tempo Swing 4=125 seems to mean the tempo is Swing which correspond to 
 4=125. Whereas what I want is 2 different independent indications. The same 
 result but without the parenthesis for example.
 
 Maybe the \tempo command is not the command to use in this case. But I didn't 
 find another way to have an indication once in the score and in each part.
 
 Anton Curl
 
 On 20/03/2015 09:36, Craig Dabelstein wrote:
 Hi Anton,
 
 Can't you do:
 
 \tempo Swing 4=125
 
 Or is that not what you are looking for?
 
 Craig
 
 
 On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 at 17:59 Anton Curl curl.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi everyone!
 
 I'd like to put an indication displayed in all the parts but only once
 in the score, like a tempo mark.
 
 I found this syntax:
\tempo \markup { swing }
 But at the same place in the score, I already have a \tempo command:
\tempo 4=125
\tempo \markup { swing }
c
 
 And Lilypond ignore the second.
 
 What do I have to do to display both indications?
 
 Thanks
 
 Anton Curl
 
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Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time

2015-03-20 Thread Robert Schmaus
Well you *can* do that (and I've seen it done that way), but often - the music 
being improvised anyway - you don't really have a tempo indication, except for 
Swing, Med. Swing, Uptempo Swing, Ballad etc., and those are just suggestions 
or show how the piece was played in a referenced recording. That's, if we're 
talking about a lead sheet - look into a Real Book for examples.

If it's orchestral music (eg Big Band), the score probably contains more exact 
tempo values (which my Big Band conductor usually ignores ...). 



__

Don't ask me who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lambs he's digested, 
and I've been reading all my life. 
-- Giorgos Seferis

 On 20 Mar 2015, at 14:55, Anton Curl curl.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't know much about jazz. It's not the kind of music I'm usually 
 typesetting.
 
 I never saw a jazz lead sheet with swing written followed by the metronome 
 mark between brackets. If it's the policy, I can adopt it. But I'm curious to 
 see some examples of it.
 
 Anton Curl
 
 On 20/03/2015 14:36, Robert Schmaus wrote:
 If you're producing a jazz lead sheet (as the swing indicates), you're 
 wrong. 
 
 \tempo Swing 4=125
 
 Merely indicates that the *style* is Swing while the tempo is 125. You could 
 also write 
 \tempo Swing 4=200
 Which would indicate that this is a swing piece of tempo 200. 
 
 Jazz tempo indications don't work like classical ones where a tempo name 
 also implies a certain (narrow) range of bpm. 
 
 Best, Rob 
 
 __
 
 Don't ask me who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lambs 
 he's digested, and I've been reading all my life. 
 -- Giorgos Seferis
 
 On 20 Mar 2015, at 10:03, Anton Curl curl.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 That's not exactly what I want.
 
 \tempo Swing 4=125 seems to mean the tempo is Swing which correspond 
 to 4=125. Whereas what I want is 2 different independent indications. The 
 same result but without the parenthesis for example.
 
 Maybe the \tempo command is not the command to use in this case. But I 
 didn't find another way to have an indication once in the score and in each 
 part.
 
 Anton Curl
 
 On 20/03/2015 09:36, Craig Dabelstein wrote:
 Hi Anton,
 
 Can't you do:
 
 \tempo Swing 4=125
 
 Or is that not what you are looking for?
 
 Craig
 
 
 On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 at 17:59 Anton Curl curl.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi everyone!
 
 I'd like to put an indication displayed in all the parts but only once
 in the score, like a tempo mark.
 
 I found this syntax:
\tempo \markup { swing }
 But at the same place in the score, I already have a \tempo command:
\tempo 4=125
\tempo \markup { swing }
c
 
 And Lilypond ignore the second.
 
 What do I have to do to display both indications?
 
 Thanks
 
 Anton Curl
 
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Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time

2015-03-20 Thread Anton Curl

Yes that's it!

Thanks!

On 20/03/2015 13:29, Cynthia Karl wrote:

I think you're looking for the \mark command, which does exactly what you're 
looking for, once in the score and in each part:


 \new Staff \relative c'' { \tempo 4=120 \mark \markup { \hspace #30 
swing } c d e f }
 \new Staff \relative c'' { \tempo 4=120 \mark \markup { \hspace #30 
swing } f e d c }




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Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time

2015-03-20 Thread Cynthia Karl

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 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 10:03:10 +0100
 From: Anton Curl curl.an...@gmail.com
 To: Craig Dabelstein craig.dabelst...@gmail.com,
   lilypond-user@gnu.org
 Subject: Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time
 
 That's not exactly what I want.
 
 \tempo Swing 4=125 seems to mean the tempo is Swing which 
 correspond to 4=125. Whereas what I want is 2 different independent 
 indications. The same result but without the parenthesis for example.
 
 Maybe the \tempo command is not the command to use in this case. But I 
 didn't find another way to have an indication once in the score and in 
 each part.

I think you're looking for the \mark command, which does exactly what you're 
looking for, once in the score and in each part:


\new Staff \relative c'' { \tempo 4=120 \mark \markup { \hspace #30 swing 
} c d e f }
\new Staff \relative c'' { \tempo 4=120 \mark \markup { \hspace #30 swing 
} f e d c }




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Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time

2015-03-20 Thread Anton Curl
I don't know much about jazz. It's not the kind of music I'm usually 
typesetting.


I never saw a jazz lead sheet with swing written followed by the 
metronome mark between brackets. If it's the policy, I can adopt it. But 
I'm curious to see some examples of it.


Anton Curl

On 20/03/2015 14:36, Robert Schmaus wrote:
If you're producing a jazz lead sheet (as the swing indicates), 
you're wrong.


\tempo Swing 4=125

Merely indicates that the *style* is Swing while the tempo is 125. You 
could also write

\tempo Swing 4=200
Which would indicate that this is a swing piece of tempo 200.

Jazz tempo indications don't work like classical ones where a tempo 
name also implies a certain (narrow) range of bpm.


Best, Rob

__

Don't ask me who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lambs he's 
digested, and I've been reading all my life.

-- /Giorgos Seferis/

On 20 Mar 2015, at 10:03, Anton Curl curl.an...@gmail.com 
mailto:curl.an...@gmail.com wrote:



That's not exactly what I want.

\tempo Swing 4=125 seems to mean the tempo is Swing which 
correspond to 4=125. Whereas what I want is 2 different independent 
indications. The same result but without the parenthesis for example.


Maybe the \tempo command is not the command to use in this case. But 
I didn't find another way to have an indication once in the score and 
in each part.


Anton Curl

On 20/03/2015 09:36, Craig Dabelstein wrote:

Hi Anton,

Can't you do:

\tempo Swing 4=125

Or is that not what you are looking for?

Craig


On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 at 17:59 Anton Curl curl.an...@gmail.com 
mailto:curl.an...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi everyone!

I'd like to put an indication displayed in all the parts but
only once
in the score, like a tempo mark.

I found this syntax:
   \tempo \markup { swing }
But at the same place in the score, I already have a \tempo command:
   \tempo 4=125
   \tempo \markup { swing }
   c

And Lilypond ignore the second.

What do I have to do to display both indications?

Thanks

Anton Curl

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Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time

2015-03-20 Thread Anton Curl

That's not exactly what I want.

\tempo Swing 4=125 seems to mean the tempo is Swing which 
correspond to 4=125. Whereas what I want is 2 different independent 
indications. The same result but without the parenthesis for example.


Maybe the \tempo command is not the command to use in this case. But I 
didn't find another way to have an indication once in the score and in 
each part.


Anton Curl

On 20/03/2015 09:36, Craig Dabelstein wrote:

Hi Anton,

Can't you do:

\tempo Swing 4=125

Or is that not what you are looking for?

Craig


On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 at 17:59 Anton Curl curl.an...@gmail.com 
mailto:curl.an...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi everyone!

I'd like to put an indication displayed in all the parts but only once
in the score, like a tempo mark.

I found this syntax:
   \tempo \markup { swing }
But at the same place in the score, I already have a \tempo command:
   \tempo 4=125
   \tempo \markup { swing }
   c

And Lilypond ignore the second.

What do I have to do to display both indications?

Thanks

Anton Curl

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