Re: Absurd thing to do
On 31 March 2011 16:30, Michael Ellis michael.f.el...@gmail.com wrote: A few comments: MusicXML [...] I'd be willing to help out -- in whatever small way I can -- if someone wants to revive the effort. Mike Solomon is going to work on a primitive form of lily - MusicXML conversion (and this is not an April Fools' joke). ;-) See his message and following discussion in this thread: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2011-03/msg00510.html Cheers, Xavier -- Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Absurd thing to do
Good question. I suspect I will be having a similar problem in the future...at the moment, I was thinking of using Sibelius's built-in OMR to try to convert a pdf. Anyone know of a better way? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.net wrote: Does anyone have any experience converting lilypond to finale type files? I only ask this because I have had a run in with a publisher who thinks it would be too much work as all their output is from that app and all mine is now on lilypond. I gave him a pretty good lecture on the awesome nature of Lilypond, but to no avail. Not that it would change our other argument (I am an obsolete composer), but I want to at least abolish that one if possible. I suspect it is possible to run a .ly into an .xml and then import it somehow but have not had the opportunity to try it out myself. Nor do I really want to. regards, Shane Brandes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Absurd thing to do
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/31/2011 12:30 AM, Shane Brandes wrote: Does anyone have any experience converting lilypond to finale type files? I only ask this because I have had a run in with a publisher who thinks it would be too much work as all their output is from that app and all mine is now on lilypond. I gave him a pretty good lecture on the awesome nature of Lilypond, but to no avail. Not that it would change our other argument (I am an obsolete composer), but I want to at least abolish that one if possible. I suspect it is possible to run a .ly into an .xml and then import it somehow but have not had the opportunity to try it out myself. Nor do I really want to. I can’t say for certain, but converting text formats is what I do, so I may be able to help. I’m not familiar with the Finale XML format, but if you can send me a sample or a specification, I’ll see what I can do. ~Chris - -- Chris Maden, text nerd URL: http://crism.maden.org/ “Those in power write the history, while those who suffer write the songs.” — Frank Harte GnuPG Fingerprint: C6E4 E2A9 C9F8 71AC 9724 CAA3 19F8 6677 0077 C319 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk2UgasACgkQGfhmdwB3wxmkjQCeIVfWWrINrLM8aH1SD9I84R35 y4AAoKvciBln0o/STvo2QyjnVasMGJsY =hHSw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Absurd thing to do
My first thought is that it's the 21st century and you don't need an uncooperative music publisher any more. Especially one using software that results in mediocre looking engraved music. On Mar 31, 2011, at 4:07 AM, Frauke Jurgensen wrote: Good question. I suspect I will be having a similar problem in the future...at the moment, I was thinking of using Sibelius's built-in OMR to try to convert a pdf. Anyone know of a better way? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.net wrote: Does anyone have any experience converting lilypond to finale type files? I only ask this because I have had a run in with a publisher who thinks it would be too much work as all their output is from that app and all mine is now on lilypond. I gave him a pretty good lecture on the awesome nature of Lilypond, but to no avail. Not that it would change our other argument (I am an obsolete composer), but I want to at least abolish that one if possible. I suspect it is possible to run a .ly into an .xml and then import it somehow but have not had the opportunity to try it out myself. Nor do I really want to. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Absurd thing to do
My first thought is that it's the 21st century and you don't need an uncooperative music publisher any more. Especially one using software that results in mediocre looking engraved music. +1 =) Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Absurd thing to do
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Christopher R. Maden cr...@maden.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/31/2011 12:30 AM, Shane Brandes wrote: Does anyone have any experience converting lilypond to finale type files? I only ask this because I have had a run in with a publisher who thinks it would be too much work as all their output is from that app and all mine is now on lilypond. I gave him a pretty good lecture on the awesome nature of Lilypond, but to no avail. Not that it would change our other argument (I am an obsolete composer), but I want to at least abolish that one if possible. I suspect it is possible to run a .ly into an .xml and then import it somehow but have not had the opportunity to try it out myself. Nor do I really want to. I can’t say for certain, but converting text formats is what I do, so I may be able to help. I’m not familiar with the Finale XML format, but if you can send me a sample or a specification, I’ll see what I can do. A few comments: 1. I don't think there's anything absurd about wanting to generate MusicXML output. IMO, it's seriously needed by anyone who want to collaborate with other composers. I work almost 100% in LilyPond even though I own a full copy of Finale 2010. LilyPond produces better looking output and, for me anyway, it's far faster to enter any music that has a significant number of articulations and dynamics. OTOH, I was recently working with a very fine arranger to harmonize a song I wrote. She works in Finale only and is not likely to convert to LilyPond anytime soon. So I had to use Finale while we were collaborating and then re-enter the finished composition by hand in LilyPond to get the output quality I wanted. 2. In the same vein, Finale's midi creation and playback capabilities are currently very far ahead of LilyPond. However, I can't easily avail myself of them because so much is lost trying to import LilyPond midi output to Finale. OTOH Finale does a very good job of importing MusicXML and generating midi from that. 3. MuseScore looks very promising as a free GUI and it can output .ly xml2ly but can't go the other way. 4. I realize it's a difficult problem. From what I think I understand from Reinhold K's prior work, successful translation requires more than syntax mapping from .ly to .xml -- there are also semantic differences, ie. LilyPond expresses more of the musical intent than MusicXML. Hence it's unlikely that a musicxml2ly program can do the job without re-creating all of Lily's internal logic. 5. Apparently Reinhold, Han-Wen, and others came to the conclusion that the right way to go involves creating an additional backend for LilyPond to generate the MusicXML. However, as discussed in the thread linked below, it seems as though such a backend would have to access at least two different stages in the processing chain. http://old.nabble.com/MusicXML-backend-for-lilypond--td17957920.html I'd be willing to help out -- in whatever small way I can -- if someone wants to revive the effort. Cheers, Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Absurd thing to do
Well it looks like the short answer is that it is a non trivial procedure, but possibly not that difficult. I do not think anyone should work on the xml backend on my account. i can certainly live with out it. Shane As a side note finding a publisher has been a lengthy process that has as of yet yielded no contracts. The last effort was the first time I had an editor respond with any enthusiasm, but he unfortunately was working for a subsidiary that dealt in a different specific genre. My pieces are all either good Lutheran organ music, as Proff. Boe once said, if that makes any sense, or piano works that are clearly inspired by the later romantic era. Anyway it doesn't matter i will keep scribbling. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Michael Ellis michael.f.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Christopher R. Maden cr...@maden.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/31/2011 12:30 AM, Shane Brandes wrote: Does anyone have any experience converting lilypond to finale type files? I only ask this because I have had a run in with a publisher who thinks it would be too much work as all their output is from that app and all mine is now on lilypond. I gave him a pretty good lecture on the awesome nature of Lilypond, but to no avail. Not that it would change our other argument (I am an obsolete composer), but I want to at least abolish that one if possible. I suspect it is possible to run a .ly into an .xml and then import it somehow but have not had the opportunity to try it out myself. Nor do I really want to. I can’t say for certain, but converting text formats is what I do, so I may be able to help. I’m not familiar with the Finale XML format, but if you can send me a sample or a specification, I’ll see what I can do. A few comments: 1. I don't think there's anything absurd about wanting to generate MusicXML output. IMO, it's seriously needed by anyone who want to collaborate with other composers. I work almost 100% in LilyPond even though I own a full copy of Finale 2010. LilyPond produces better looking output and, for me anyway, it's far faster to enter any music that has a significant number of articulations and dynamics. OTOH, I was recently working with a very fine arranger to harmonize a song I wrote. She works in Finale only and is not likely to convert to LilyPond anytime soon. So I had to use Finale while we were collaborating and then re-enter the finished composition by hand in LilyPond to get the output quality I wanted. 2. In the same vein, Finale's midi creation and playback capabilities are currently very far ahead of LilyPond. However, I can't easily avail myself of them because so much is lost trying to import LilyPond midi output to Finale. OTOH Finale does a very good job of importing MusicXML and generating midi from that. 3. MuseScore looks very promising as a free GUI and it can output .ly xml2ly but can't go the other way. 4. I realize it's a difficult problem. From what I think I understand from Reinhold K's prior work, successful translation requires more than syntax mapping from .ly to .xml -- there are also semantic differences, ie. LilyPond expresses more of the musical intent than MusicXML. Hence it's unlikely that a musicxml2ly program can do the job without re-creating all of Lily's internal logic. 5. Apparently Reinhold, Han-Wen, and others came to the conclusion that the right way to go involves creating an additional backend for LilyPond to generate the MusicXML. However, as discussed in the thread linked below, it seems as though such a backend would have to access at least two different stages in the processing chain. http://old.nabble.com/MusicXML-backend-for-lilypond--td17957920.html I'd be willing to help out -- in whatever small way I can -- if someone wants to revive the effort. Cheers, Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Absurd thing to do
Does anyone have any experience converting lilypond to finale type files? I only ask this because I have had a run in with a publisher who thinks it would be too much work as all their output is from that app and all mine is now on lilypond. I gave him a pretty good lecture on the awesome nature of Lilypond, but to no avail. Not that it would change our other argument (I am an obsolete composer), but I want to at least abolish that one if possible. I suspect it is possible to run a .ly into an .xml and then import it somehow but have not had the opportunity to try it out myself. Nor do I really want to. regards, Shane Brandes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
