Re: Controlling markup vertical position

[Menu Jacques]

Hello folks,

Thanks for your help. It turns out I had mistaken \markLengthOn for 
\textLengthOn…


-\tweak self-alignment-X #0  % move horizontally to the left

works but is not adequate in my actual score, since there are bars to the left.


So the good way for me to go is:

  \once\textLengthOn

each time the problem arises.

Problem solved!

JM

> Le 16 nov. 2015 à 22:44, Simon Albrecht  a écrit :
> 
> On 16.11.2015 08:08, Menu Jacques wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> As it turns out, using \tempo solves the issue:
> 
> Well, it depends on what you’re typesetting there, but a \tempo indication 
> will always move to the topmost staff, so this is at least very fragile.
> But how about:
> %%
> \version "2.19.30"
> 
> \relative f {
>  \clef "bass" \key f \major \time 4/4
>  g,2 \f
>  -\tweak self-alignment-X #0  % move horizontally to the left
>  ^"Bassi"
>  des''4 \p ^"Vcl." ( c4 ) | % 18
> }
> %
> That’s closer to what the artisanal engraver did, at least for the "Bassi".
> 
> HTH, Simon
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Re: Controlling markup vertical position

[Menu Jacques]

Hello,

As it turns out, using \tempo solves the issue:

Cello =  \relative f {
  \clef "bass" \key f \major \time 4/4
  \tempo "Bassi"
  g,2 \f
  \tempo "Vcl."

  des''4 \p ( c4 ) | % 18
}

\relative {
  \Cello
}

JM

> Le 15 nov. 2015 à 07:33, Menu Jacques  a écrit :
> 
> Hello folks,
> 
> I’ve tried to obtain the following from Mozart:
> 
> 
> 
> with:
> 
> \version "2.19.30"
> 
> Cello =  \relative f {
>   \clef "bass" \key f \major \time 4/4
>   g,2 \f
>   -\tweak Y-offset #ly:self-alignment-interface::y-aligned-on-self
>   -\tweak self-alignment-Y #2  % move vertically down
>   ^\markup{"Bassi"}
>   des''4 \p ^"Vcl." ( c4 ) | % 18
> }
> 
> \relative {
>   \Cello
> }
> 
> but I get Bassi too high and the first quater too much on the left (the \p 
> below the staff is OK for me):
> 
> 
> Thanks for your help!
> 
> JM
> 


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Re: Controlling markup vertical position

[Andrew Bernard]

Hi JM,

This is a downside, but in general I find it can be managed pretty well. So 
although the use of extra-offset may not be totally philosophically sound and 
pure, it is quite pragmatic.

Andrew





On 16/11/2015, 20:53, "Menu Jacques"  wrote:

>
>Didnt’ think of it, thanks, but then you’re on your own to avoid collisions, 
>whereas \tempo takes care of that…
>


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Re: Controlling markup vertical position

[Menu Jacques]

Hi Andrew,


> Le 16 nov. 2015 à 13:50, Andrew Bernard  a écrit :
> 
> Hi JM,
> 
> Would using \textLengthOn do what you want?

Excellent, thanks, that does it! I thought I had tried it, though… not that 
nice to get old!

JM

> 
> Cello = \relative f {
>   \clef "bass" \key f \major \time 4/4
>   \textLengthOn
>   g,2 \f
>   ^\markup{"Contrabassi"}
>   des''4 \p ^"Vcl." ( c4 ) | % 18
> }
> 
> \relative {
>   \Cello
> }
> 
> 
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 16/11/2015, 22:41, "Menu Jacques"  wrote:
> 
>> Problem is I don’t have a way yet to perform a « dilatation » of the bar to 
>> cope with larger strings such as Contrabassi:
> 


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Re: Controlling markup vertical position

[Menu Jacques]

Hello Andrew,

Didnt’ think of it, thanks, but then you’re on your own to avoid collisions, 
whereas \tempo takes care of that…

JM

> Le 16 nov. 2015 à 10:17, Andrew Bernard  a écrit :
> 
> Hi JM
> 
> You could try using extra-offset:
> 
> \version "2.19.30"
> 
> Cello =  \relative f {
>  \clef "bass" \key f \major \time 4/4
>  \once \override TextScript.extra-offset = #'(-3 . -3)
>  g,2 \f
>  ^\markup{"Bassi"}
>  des''4 \p ^"Vcl." ( c4 ) | % 18
> }
> 
> \relative {
>  \Cello
> }
> 
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 


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Re: Controlling markup vertical position

[Menu Jacques]

Hello Andrew,

Problem is I don’t have a way yet to perform a « dilatation » of the bar to 
cope with larger strings such as Contrabassi:

Cello =  \relative f {
  \clef "bass" \key f \major \time 4/4
  \tempo "Contrabassi"
  g,2 \f
  \tempo "Vcl."

  des''4 \p ( c4 ) | % 18
}

\relative {
  \Cello
}


Cello =  \relative f {
  \clef "bass" \key f \major \time 4/4
  \once \override TextScript.extra-offset = #'(-3 . -3)
  g,2 \f
  ^\markup{"Contrabassi"}
  des''4 \p ^"Vcl." ( c4 ) | % 18
}

\relative {
  \Cello
}



> Le 16 nov. 2015 à 12:25, Andrew Bernard  a écrit :
> 
> Hi JM,
> 
> This is a downside, but in general I find it can be managed pretty well. So 
> although the use of extra-offset may not be totally philosophically sound and 
> pure, it is quite pragmatic.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 16/11/2015, 20:53, "Menu Jacques"  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Didnt’ think of it, thanks, but then you’re on your own to avoid collisions, 
>> whereas \tempo takes care of that…
>> 
> 


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Re: Controlling markup vertical position

[Andrew Bernard]

Hi JM,

Would using \textLengthOn do what you want?

Cello = \relative f {
\clef "bass" \key f \major \time 4/4
\textLengthOn
g,2 \f
^\markup{"Contrabassi"}
des''4 \p ^"Vcl." ( c4 ) | % 18
}

\relative {
\Cello
}



Andrew








On 16/11/2015, 22:41, "Menu Jacques"  wrote:

>Problem is I don’t have a way yet to perform a « dilatation » of the bar to 
>cope with larger strings such as Contrabassi:


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Re: Controlling markup vertical position

[Andrew Bernard]

Hi JM

You could try using extra-offset:

\version "2.19.30"

Cello =  \relative f {
  \clef "bass" \key f \major \time 4/4
  \once \override TextScript.extra-offset = #'(-3 . -3)
  g,2 \f
  ^\markup{"Bassi"}
  des''4 \p ^"Vcl." ( c4 ) | % 18
}

\relative {
  \Cello
}


Andrew



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Re: Controlling markup vertical position

[Simon Albrecht]

On 16.11.2015 08:08, Menu Jacques wrote:

Hello,

As it turns out, using \tempo solves the issue:


Well, it depends on what you’re typesetting there, but a \tempo 
indication will always move to the topmost staff, so this is at least 
very fragile.

But how about:
%%
\version "2.19.30"

\relative f {
  \clef "bass" \key f \major \time 4/4
  g,2 \f
  -\tweak self-alignment-X #0  % move horizontally to the left
  ^"Bassi"
  des''4 \p ^"Vcl." ( c4 ) | % 18
}
%
That’s closer to what the artisanal engraver did, at least for the "Bassi".

HTH, Simon

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Re: Controlling markup vertical position

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Jacques,

> As it turns out, using \tempo solves the issue:

OH, PLEASE DON’T DO THIS!

Don’t use a MetronomeMark (which is the grob generated by \tempo) where a 
TextScript (which is the grob generated by \markup) is appropriate. This *may* 
appear to “solve the issue”, but really it doesn’t, and it certainly adds a 
whole bunch of new issues — immediately obvious or eventually to surface — 
which needn’t ever be encountered if you simply use the correct grobs and 
tweaks to begin with.

Regards,
Kieren.


Kieren MacMillan, composer
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Re: Controlling markup vertical position

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Jacques,

> I get Bassi too high and the first quater too much on the left

If you want to duplicate the original, you need to [almost] right-align the 
“Bassi”:

  SNIPPET BEGINS
\version "2.19.30"

Cello = \relative f {
  \clef "bass"
  \key f \major
  \time 4/4
  s1
  g,2\f-\tweak self-alignment-X #0.1 -\tweak padding #1 ^\markup{ "Bassi" } <<
{ \voiceTwo bes2\rest }
\new Voice { \voiceOne \dynamicUp des'4-\tweak self-alignment-X #RIGHT \p( 
^"Vcl." c4) }
  >> \oneVoice | % 18
}

\relative {
  \Cello
}
  SNIPPET ENDS

I’ve also done a few other tweaks and code adjustments in this snippet, to get 
you closer to [how I might code] the original.

Hope this helps!
Kieren.


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Controlling markup vertical position

[Menu Jacques]

Hello folks,

I’ve tried to obtain the following from Mozart:



with:

\version "2.19.30"

Cello =  \relative f {
  \clef "bass" \key f \major \time 4/4
  g,2 \f
  -\tweak Y-offset #ly:self-alignment-interface::y-aligned-on-self
  -\tweak self-alignment-Y #2  % move vertically down
  ^\markup{"Bassi"}
  des''4 \p ^"Vcl." ( c4 ) | % 18
}

\relative {
  \Cello
}

but I get Bassi too high and the first quater too much on the left (the \p 
below the staff is OK for me):


Thanks for your help!

JM

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