Re: Question about Denemo accessibility with mac with voice overfor Richard Shann possibly?
Sorry for multiple replies, but I forgot to send this link https://accessiblemusicnotation.wordpress.com/ I think, as your are willing to help, that might be the rewarding target ... Am 11.03.2016 19:06, schrieb Richard Shann: On Thu, 2016-03-10 at 19:18 -0600, Daniel Contreras wrote: Hello everyone, Lilypond has been my go to software for the past few semesters and I have found it very useful and I am very grateful to all who have contributed to its development. My question is about the Denemo software, denemo-de...@gnu.org is the place to ask... particularly the possibility of making it accessible for blind users. I know that may be a long shot, but I am willing to help in anyway that i can. If anyone is interested, and or if this is even remotely possible, i haved copied a link which will hopefully be useful. I think it is indeed a long shot, Denemo is very short of developers :( Richard ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question about Denemo accessibility with mac with voice overfor Richard Shann possibly?
Please check this link: https://musescore.org/en/node/37476 Am 11.03.2016 19:06, schrieb Richard Shann: On Thu, 2016-03-10 at 19:18 -0600, Daniel Contreras wrote: Hello everyone, Lilypond has been my go to software for the past few semesters and I have found it very useful and I am very grateful to all who have contributed to its development. My question is about the Denemo software, denemo-de...@gnu.org is the place to ask... particularly the possibility of making it accessible for blind users. I know that may be a long shot, but I am willing to help in anyway that i can. If anyone is interested, and or if this is even remotely possible, i haved copied a link which will hopefully be useful. I think it is indeed a long shot, Denemo is very short of developers :( Richard ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question about Denemo accessibility with mac with voice overfor Richard Shann possibly?
On Thu, 2016-03-10 at 19:18 -0600, Daniel Contreras wrote: > Hello everyone, > > > Lilypond has been my go to software for the past few semesters and I > have found it very useful and I am very grateful to all who have > contributed to its development. My question is about the Denemo > software, denemo-de...@gnu.org is the place to ask... > particularly the possibility of making it accessible for blind users. > I know that may be a long shot, but I am willing to help in anyway > that i can. If anyone is interested, and or if this is even remotely > possible, i haved copied a link which will hopefully be useful. I think it is indeed a long shot, Denemo is very short of developers :( Richard ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Question about Denemo accessibility with mac with voice overfor Richard Shann possibly?
Hello everyone, Lilypond has been my go to software for the past few semesters and I have found it very useful and I am very grateful to all who have contributed to its development. My question is about the Denemo software, particularly the possibility of making it accessible for blind users. I know that may be a long shot, but I am willing to help in anyway that i can. If anyone is interested, and or if this is even remotely possible, i haved copied a link which will hopefully be useful. Thank U all for your time, take care. Daniel Contreras https://developer.apple.com/accessibility/osx/___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Denemo version 2.0.2 Released
Denemo version 2.0.2 has been released. Denemo is a program for inputting music notation. http://www.denemo.org The music is displayed as music notation while typing or playing in and simultaneously it can be typeset via LilyPond. It can also be played via internal synthesizer. Demo videos are at https://vimeo.com/62188678 New features in this version: Playback View (demo https://vimeo.com/154414223 ) Fully Typeset View Click to Play Drag to play selection Shift-Drag to loop Auto-scrolling Simple Scrolling Multiple Scroll Points (tempo changes etc) Play from full score while scrolling a part Fully-featured MIDI Cresc. and Dim. Articulations (staccato etc) Grace Notes Individual Tied Notes in Chords Sustain Pedal … more LilyPond Export One file per part Output divided into measure per line Measure Number every 10th measure All Staffs All Movements Staff/Voice Editor Improvements Navigate to other staffs within editor Visibility/editing of clef, key, time signatures Guidance for voices typeset on one staff Dynamics Lines Display on single line Distinctive coloring Instrument Ranges Out-of-range notes colored red Easy one-click setting to chord Instrument Templates Add staffs pre-configured for chosen instrument Name, range and transposition included Substituting Music Replace music of one staff with that of another Use, e.g. to typeset Chord Symbols and Fret Diagrams from one set of chords Fret Diagrams Include pre-defined Mandolin and Ukulele Default is guitar Tablature Include example for 18th c Lute Bug Fixes Ornament with Accidentals above and/or below fixed Known issues for this release: Binary packages can be downloaded via the denemo.org website. Here are the compressed sources (from a mirror) : http://ftpmirror.gnu.org/denemo/denemo-2.0.2.tar.gz If automatic redirection fails, the list of mirrors is at: http://www.gnu.org/order/ftp.html Or if need be you can use the main GNU ftp server: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/denemo/denemo-2.0.2.tar.gz Richard Shann ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Denemo
On Thu, 2015-09-10 at 14:45 +0200, Johan Vromans wrote: > On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 13:10:21 +0100 > Richard Shann wrote: > > > The distros only give very out-of-date versions, there is a link on the > > denemo.org website to modern ones: > > Just a nitpick: This gives me 1.2.2 while 1.2.4 has been out for a while. Thanks for alerting me to this - I contacted the author and he has kicked off a new build. Richard > -- Johan > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Denemo
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 13:10:21 +0100 Richard Shann wrote: > The distros only give very out-of-date versions, there is a link on the > denemo.org website to modern ones: Just a nitpick: This gives me 1.2.2 while 1.2.4 has been out for a while. -- Johan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Denemo
On Thu, 2015-09-10 at 13:37 +0200, Martin Tarenskeen wrote: > Has anyone tried to install Denemo + LilyPond from the Fedora 22 repos? I > am not getting any noteheads in the editorscreen, and I see some error > messages in my terminal about some fonts not being found (when I start > denemo from a terminal command). The distros only give very out-of-date versions, there is a link on the denemo.org website to modern ones: http://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home%3Aedogawa&package=denemo there is also a binary, which avoids complications due to sharing libraries. HTH Richard ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Denemo
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Martin Tarenskeen wrote: Has anyone tried to install Denemo + LilyPond from the Fedora 22 repos? I am not getting any noteheads in the editorscreen, and I see some error messages in my terminal about some fonts not being found (when I start denemo from a terminal command). To answer my own question: Looking at the output in my terminal it seems that denemo is looking in /usr/share/denemo/fonts for Denemo.ttf, emmentaler.ttf, and feta.ttf and can't find the directory and fonts. But the Fedora rpm packages with the denemo fonts install them in /usr/share/fonts/denemo/ instead. So I tried ln -s /usr/share/fonts/denemo /usr/share/denemo/fonts and now the fonts (clefs, notes, etc.) are shown correctly in de Denemo editor. I guess I should send a bugreport to the Fedora packager(s) in Bugzilla. -- MT ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Denemo
Has anyone tried to install Denemo + LilyPond from the Fedora 22 repos? I am not getting any noteheads in the editorscreen, and I see some error messages in my terminal about some fonts not being found (when I start denemo from a terminal command). -- MT ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Installing Denemo
On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 23:24 +0100, J Martin Rushton wrote: > Having seen recommendations for Denemo I though I'd try to install it > on my CentOS 7 (basically RHEL 7) system. I'm currently running > Frescobaldi 2.18 and Lilypond 2.18.2-1. I downloaded both the f20 & > f21 rpms as well as the tarball. > > Using yum (the standard RHEL/CentOS package manager) the rpms refuse > to load because Lilypond is unknown to the rpm system. The tarball > fails with a /lib/ld-linux.so problem, on 64-bit systems ld-linux is > in /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2. > > So, before I start hacking the system and re-inventing the wheel: > 1)Has anyone got a _quick_ fix for the rpm issue? > 2)Ditto the libraries. > > I did note the compatibility comment on the Denemo download page, This will be the note I wrote about running the binary that is built for GNU/Linux systems. It doesn't run on my Debian stable 64-bit system, apparently because there is something needed to run 32-bit executables that I don't have. It does run in a virtual box running Debian (e.g. lilydev) on the same 64-bit machine because lilydev has the 32-bit magic in it - perhaps all except old-fashioned Debian stable do. If the binary doesn't run out of the box I would suggest building from source - there's a heap of packages to install, that way you get the best version available. > presumably that will just be links from lib to lib64. I can't see a > specific package using "# yum search compatibility | grep 32", can > anyone point me in the right direction there? > > Thanks, and as a final passing point: how is denemo pronounced, > "de'nemo", "den'emo" or "dene'mo"? I've noticed that Anglo-Saxons put the stress on the first syllable, while most others choose the second (I've never heard our French contributors in voice, but if it really is based on the word "denouement" then why not the third?). Richard > Martin > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Installing Denemo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Having seen recommendations for Denemo I though I'd try to install it on my CentOS 7 (basically RHEL 7) system. I'm currently running Frescobaldi 2.18 and Lilypond 2.18.2-1. I downloaded both the f20 & f21 rpms as well as the tarball. Using yum (the standard RHEL/CentOS package manager) the rpms refuse to load because Lilypond is unknown to the rpm system. The tarball fails with a /lib/ld-linux.so problem, on 64-bit systems ld-linux is in /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2. So, before I start hacking the system and re-inventing the wheel: 1) Has anyone got a _quick_ fix for the rpm issue? 2) Ditto the libraries. I did note the compatibility comment on the Denemo download page, presumably that will just be links from lib to lib64. I can't see a specific package using "# yum search compatibility | grep 32", can anyone point me in the right direction there? Thanks, and as a final passing point: how is denemo pronounced, "de'nemo", "den'emo" or "dene'mo"? Martin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVT9qQAAoJEAF3yXsqtyBl6OEP+gKULH+rnawH+/P79wxddGcP UrTc6ImnBZWwAfhBlHqgt19op+HoFwM+um+RxMVLi9mqxzMKUvo4kVpZ6BeJ8xXi ncNJnmo8m2BPVWceuS7iQ4oz/Ggrqu24Pk/dDPBAPllhhn4lLz6DpvGF/K9Cf4W7 awHNFV54821ALZyu90Zw33T6SzuspdB68znsu5Mwqy4FISfSJToMNqYWF86GVlNS 2E2wFZ4ricm3SH6E3uXFHSQlDYI7+NVjckOSkksLp/lAO1isop74jOp4zcBrDU4v K96RoxY8L/7bNsDXbQxa77ttNjruvmL4Idejmn2EIgmp3xt0F61pwEszfGqByu2m YqE2mLaFLswNbJn29PnwK9l60BmbHtLhCgVGvV0Z+sRhfarpfk7zK654fyOndM7Q RBXTCfelGW2qJd9ECUFLjC79D4xANjijLwKj1Y9LipEx0T4q7ucVUqoEk19F8NOH jtnRH1IXuR/99xY+2wCu7ZDSwmeQHGTIXy70MNQnbLwAU0V7RFYRXdKEEQbPEfYH nQ/j2/6iOOupxjLPUVxLJOgE9FNHrlB06RxHxp3KoRqRLgcnk3F6Lw4MRy1DsWtb rQW4ucPiGSLQZL8yAGt1XZ4/s7rnHfd8uIhBxtWMAi5zfVXv4tdXRC7ha3k2UIPA CoF8/mxs8SPEz2hlwN3j =Dcfm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Denemo 1.1.6 Release
Denemo version 1.1.6 has been released. There have been improvements to the LilyPond editing which have actually been present since version 1.1.2 but I've been getting behind with announcing releases here. Also, asked for on this list are French 18th c keyboard ornaments - full support for creating new ornaments is in the next release. Below is the release announcement plus feature lists of the previous two releases. Richard Denemo is a program for inputting music notation. http://www.denemo.org The music is displayed as music notation while typing or playing in and simultaneously it can be typeset via LilyPond. It can also be played via internal synthesizer. Demo videos are at https://vimeo.com/62188678 New features in this version: Lyrics Interface Cursor on music moves to match cursor in lyrics Jump to any point in the lyrics by mouse or keyboard The inactive pane (lyrics or music) clearly indicated by graying-out Margins Control Set top, bottom, left and right margins in mm. Tweaking Typesetting Individual notes, chords and rests can be tweaked Accidentals and markings move with the note Fingerings can be offset For use when LilyPond is sub-optimal Fret Diagrams Chords typeset as fret diagrams Defaults to Guitar Can be used with Chord Names too Comprehensive Musical Symbol Support Menu access to the complete set of LilyPond music symbols Over 600 types of music glyphs can be placed and dragged on the score More Ornamentation Support Coulés Arpègements Suspensions Editing Timer Displays time spent creating a score Accumulates over all editing sessions Known issues for this release: none http://ftpmirror.gnu.org/denemo/denemo-1.1.6.tar.gz If automatic redirection fails, the list of mirrors is at: http://www.gnu.org/order/ftp.html Or if need be you can use the main GNU ftp server: http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/denemo/denemo-1.1.6.tar.gz Denemo version 1.1.4 has been released. New features in this version: Spillover Appending over-length notes spill into next bar. Works for rests too. Optional – set a preference for old behavior. Shortcuts Cheat Sheet Current set of shortcuts listed. Alphabetical order. Gives description of command. Support for Aubio 4 Microphone Input Note Detection. Note Onset Detection. Instrument Tuning. General Seek and Edit Facility Choose from all available object types in movement. Choose from objects at cursor. Seek and edit the chosen type in music playing order. Restart last search, wrap to beginning, to next movement. Display Editing Control+Shift drag to move objects in the input music display Does not affect the final typeset score. Useful when the input music display is too cluttered to see clearly. MusicXML import Imports Titles, copyright and other text Imports dynamic markings Denemo version 1.1.2 has been released. Links to source files can be relative to current score location Transcribing from MIDI Play in to a click track. Enter rhythm afterwards. Guided MIDI import Durations can be checked as they are entered. Support for LilyPond 2.18 Old scores are updated for incompatible syntax. Re-shaping/Re-positioning Ties Both WYSIWYG and tweaking width/height/convexity. LilyPond View Improvements Bracket Matching. Line numbering visible. Cursor position highlighted. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond (and Denemo?)
I have the same problem SoundsFrom Sounds pointed at. Too many windows popping up (I use Windows 7 home edition) whenever I open Denemo. Best regards. Fulvio 2013/12/5 Ryan McClure > I saw your video and kind of chuckled at how many windows popped up... not > to > make light of how many come up :) I only have two, the main window and a > PDF > viewer. > > > > - > Ryan McClure > > Luna Music Engraving > www.lunamusicengraving.com > -- > View this message in context: > http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/LilyPond-and-Denemo-tp155027p155073.html > Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Denemo-feedback
Urs Liska writes: > Am 05.12.2013 10:48, schrieb Richard Shann: >> I guess you mean the list of durations and the algorithm to choose >> between them? > > I think he simply wants to choose from different quantization values > before playing. Yes. When I know my piece is only going to have 1/8th notes and longer the algorithm doesn't need to take smaller amounts into consideration. -- Johan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Denemo-feedback
On Thu, 2013-12-05 at 11:21 +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > Am 05.12.2013 10:48, schrieb Richard Shann: > > I guess you mean the list of durations and the algorithm to choose > > between them? > > I think he simply wants to choose from different quantization values > before playing. Yes, you would do that by changing the list of durations and hence what they are assigned to. As David points out in this thread, more sophisticated approaches would be needed to get something useful. I am very happy to provide the interface but don't expect to be working on the algorithm any time soon. Richard ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Denemo-feedback
Am 05.12.2013 10:48, schrieb Richard Shann: I guess you mean the list of durations and the algorithm to choose between them? I think he simply wants to choose from different quantization values before playing. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Denemo-feedback
On Wed, 2013-12-04 at 23:37 +0100, Johan Vromans wrote: > Richard Shann writes: > > > At the moment this AI step is the simplest possible, it goes through the > > durations that you played assigning them to the nearest note lengths > > using only whole-note 1/256th note and dotted versions of them (no > > triplet values have been entered in the table of durations). > > I assume this is customizable to, e.g., whole-note...1/8th or something > similar. I guess you mean the list of durations and the algorithm to choose between them? That is still in C but it is pretty trivial to export it so the user can play around with the AI bit. > > But even if only 80% of the durations are correct, this would already be > helpful (for me, in some situations). > > I'm not a piano player. I can, however, enter notes using a (MIDI) > keyboard in a slow and rhythmless pace, and I can tap the correct rhythm > on a single key. I'd love to combine these two inputs. Well, I think it would be a good idea to test this out before I start writing code to support it. You can do this by writing a melody that is all on one note. That is, enter a piece just by tapping on one note. Then look to see how much of the durations it got right, and see if accepting the correct ones and altering the wrong ones would be a practical entry method, ignoring the fact that all the notes are the same pitch. (You can, in any case add these over the top afterwards just by placing the cursor on the first note and playing the notes on the MIDI keyboard at your own pace). I'm sure the first thing you will want is to start playing with the AI - are you able to write simple Scheme? If so I will break this out for you to play with sooner rather than later. Richard ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond (and Denemo?)
I saw your video and kind of chuckled at how many windows popped up... not to make light of how many come up :) I only have two, the main window and a PDF viewer. - Ryan McClure Luna Music Engraving www.lunamusicengraving.com -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/LilyPond-and-Denemo-tp155027p155073.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond (and Denemo?)
Ryan McClure wrote > Not having a problem here. I installed Denemo 1.0.4-1 on Arch and it works > fine. What OS are you running? Hi Ryan. I wasn't necessarily reporting any "problem", just a question or concern about how Denemo loads a ton of different mini-windows on startup. Were you able to check out the video I included? It shows what I was trying to describe. Ben - composer | sound designer LilyPond Tutorials (for beginners) --> http://bit.ly/bcl-lilypond -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/LilyPond-and-Denemo-tp155027p155071.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Denemo-feedback
Richard Shann writes: > At the moment this AI step is the simplest possible, it goes through the > durations that you played assigning them to the nearest note lengths > using only whole-note 1/256th note and dotted versions of them (no > triplet values have been entered in the table of durations). I assume this is customizable to, e.g., whole-note...1/8th or something similar. But even if only 80% of the durations are correct, this would already be helpful (for me, in some situations). I'm not a piano player. I can, however, enter notes using a (MIDI) keyboard in a slow and rhythmless pace, and I can tap the correct rhythm on a single key. I'd love to combine these two inputs. -- Johan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond (and Denemo?)
Not having a problem here. I installed Denemo 1.0.4-1 on Arch and it works fine. What OS are you running? - Ryan McClure Luna Music Engraving www.lunamusicengraving.com -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/LilyPond-and-Denemo-tp155027p155057.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond (and Denemo?)
Noeck wrote > Am 04.12.2013 19:23, schrieb SoundsFromSound: >> Hello, >> >> Can someone take a quick look at this and see if what I'm experiencing is >> normal? I just did a fresh install of Denemo and opened it for the first >> time. This is what I see: >> >> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22105560/Denemo%20Startup%20Config.mp4 >> (I've also attached a small (2MB) video file if you prefer to watch it >> offline and not stream it.) >> > > Thats exactly my experience, too. (as reported yesterday). > > Joram > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@ > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user Thanks for checking! (and sorry about putting this on the LP mailing list) - composer | sound designer LilyPond Tutorials (for beginners) --> http://bit.ly/bcl-lilypond -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/LilyPond-and-Denemo-tp155027p155031.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond (and Denemo?)
Am 04.12.2013 19:23, schrieb SoundsFromSound: > Hello, > > Can someone take a quick look at this and see if what I'm experiencing is > normal? I just did a fresh install of Denemo and opened it for the first > time. This is what I see: > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22105560/Denemo%20Startup%20Config.mp4 > (I've also attached a small (2MB) video file if you prefer to watch it > offline and not stream it.) > Thats exactly my experience, too. (as reported yesterday). Joram ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
LilyPond (and Denemo?)
Hello, Can someone take a quick look at this and see if what I'm experiencing is normal? I just did a fresh install of Denemo and opened it for the first time. This is what I see: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22105560/Denemo%20Startup%20Config.mp4 (I've also attached a small (2MB) video file if you prefer to watch it offline and not stream it.) The bottom of the screen is what I'm mainly concerned with (clutter?). Thank you so much for taking a look! Ben Denemo_Startup_Config.mp4 <http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n155027/Denemo_Startup_Config.mp4> - composer | sound designer LilyPond Tutorials (for beginners) --> http://bit.ly/bcl-lilypond -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/LilyPond-and-Denemo-tp155027.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Denemo-feedback
On Wed, 2013-12-04 at 08:23 +0100, Johan Vromans wrote: > Richard Shann writes: > > > Right now I have a new entry option nearly complete - playing on a MIDI > > keyboard and then entering the rhythm. > > By hitting a MIDI keyboard key in the desired rhythm? Well, that is what is interesting: if you played in on a MIDI keyboard in perfect rhythm then you would be able to hit the "accept" key to accept the rhythm Denemo has computed. Indeed, if it was going to be perfect, you wouldn't need any second step, you could just go straight on to adding non-music features - repeat bar lines, rehearsal marks or WHY. What happens in practice is that the rhythm computed from your playing is full of "errors" and an artificial intelligence (AI) step is needed to get close to something that would be acceptable. (It has to be near perfect to make it worth giving to the user to check over, as fixing mistakes is far more costly than playing in the music). At the moment this AI step is the simplest possible, it goes through the durations that you played assigning them to the nearest note lengths using only whole-note 1/256th note and dotted versions of them (no triplet values have been entered in the table of durations). There are then two ways to go: Write some Scheme procedures to work out what the user likely wants, asking for the user to intervene where necessary Let the user start typing in the actual durations (on the numeric keypad) and "learn" from the first few what the likely durations of the succeeding notes are. So, once you have covered the rhythmic variety that you have in the passage, you would be able to go over to just hitting Return to accept Denemo's idea of the rhythm. This could include stuff like staccato markings, so that once you had shown it what you mean by a certain duration it could guess between say, a quarter note, a staccato quarter note and an eighth note followed by eighth note rest. At the moment, you can type in the duration on the numeric keypad or hit Return to accept the suggested duration. The note is played as you do this, so you can actually hear the piece as you go through it if you keep time. You have to enter rests, staccato markings etc. yourself. I will need to gain more experience of this system before deciding where to go next. The stuff is in Denemo's git now though, if folk like to experiment. The table of durations and the decision calculation using it is not currently available to Scheme, but if someone with Scheme wants to start experimenting it could be made available without problem, just ask. The system also works with imported MIDI files, which can have perfect rhythm if machine generated. Richard ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Denemo-feedback
Richard Shann writes: > Right now I have a new entry option nearly complete - playing on a MIDI > keyboard and then entering the rhythm. By hitting a MIDI keyboard key in the desired rhythm? -- Johan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Denemo-feedback
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 17:37 +0100, Noeck wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> sorry for the old version. I now installed Denemo 1.1.0 from the
> website. It can't use lilypond with it for some reason (it crashes
I trust you don't mean that Denemo itself crashes? Just that LilyPond
fails to execute? Without LilyPond running from inside Denemo you cannot
navigate by clicking on the typeset score, drag slur shapes, etc...
> when
> I want to print) but I can look around and compare.
In the Edit->Preferences->Externals tab you can set the path to
lilypond. I believe I have seen this failure to find LilyPond too when
testing the GNU/Linux binary, I don't know what that is due to.
>
> Many things have improved a lot: The sound plays nicely, the buttons
> show no artefacts, the menus are readable.
> I like the feature that one can click on the key signature to increase
> the sharps or flats.
>
> The look is still similar to Windows 95. On the website I saw something
> gnome-like but not in my installed version. Is that available?
I don't understand this comment - what is the link?
>
> For my taste, there are too much buttons
By "buttons" are you referring to those in palettes? - yes they are
nearly all displayed at first. But if you close them down or hide
individual buttons (right click) they will not come back. I keep just
one line of buttons in the General Palette with those things I like to
click on rather than type a key-press.
> with a similar meaning. E.g.
> all the slur and bracket buttons could be simplified as Frescobaldi
> does: the slur spans the selected range of notes.
The customizability of Denemo means that such a feature is easily added
by the sort of user that customizes. I did even create such
mouse-shortcuts some years ago, but found that for practical purposes
hitting 7 to start a slur and then 8 to extend and 9 to reduce the slur
was just so much quicker. (You set your own custom shortcuts by right
clicking on the menu item).
> Also, the buttons to
> insert a note and change the current note to a different duration
> duplicate things. Wouldn't it make sense to merge them (two different
> modes
ah, yes, Denemo had modes at one time too. Modal programs are pretty
universally decried for tripping you up.
> or a shift+click for changing).
The combinations in use by default are Digit, Shift-Digit and Letter,
Shift-Letter for durations and note names respectively, for
inserting/changing respectively.
> It would also be convenient to
> move the current note up or down with the up/down key (it moves only the
> cursor).
You could set that up but then you would need a different key press to
move the cursor rather than the note.
I believe there is still a mouse-drag of notes up and down (setting the
caps lock I think), but I wonder how much it is used.
Mouse gestures can be customized by the user, but then they get in the
way of more serious use (no one seriously enters music using a mouse -
it is unbelievably slow).
That was one of the reasons for that "Profile" dialog that was the first
thing in the old 0.9.6 - if you chose "mouse user" you would get
something like that. "LilyPond User" on the other hand would get more
familiar short cuts and, more importantly, would get things like \repeat
volta 2 { . } which to a user unaware of LilyPond is quite baffling
- they just want to put :| in the score.
>
> I am still confused by the cursors, one | marking the point in time and
> a square marking the current note/pitch. It is sometimes green,
> sometimes blue.
yes, the colors reflect the fill of the bar - this is explained in that
first big tooltip on the main display area I think.
>
> It is not clear to me how a new measure is started. At the beginning it
> worked (like in LP) automatically but later I had measures with more
> than 4 beats (coloured in read) and the automatic bar line was missing.
yes, Denemo does not stop you overfilling a bar if you want, but
LilyPond will not typeset them unless you issue the appropriate command.
If you enter notes in the middle of the bar Denemo will not bump other
notes into the next bar - usually that makes no sense, and would be very
annoying if you were adding notes just temporarily prior to deleting
some others - after all, it could hardly go and get them back again.
If such is a normal thing in your use you would want to set a short cut
on the "Split the bar at the cursor" command. You just select the menu
item and press the key you want as a short cut.
>
> The menus are very full which is probably a result of putting everything
> in that is possible
not everything by several orders of magnitude, but most things that
Denemo has are there, just a few are hidden (e.g. LilyPond style
repeats, because a novice would get in a mess).
> (which is go
Re: Denemo-feedback
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 19:57 +0100, Noeck wrote: > Hi Richard, > > >> It can't use lilypond with it for some reason (it crashes > > I trust you don't mean that Denemo itself crashes? Just that LilyPond > > No Denemo does not crash. But the Print View tells me: INVALID! Lilypond > can not typeset this score. In this case open the View->Lilypond window and right click and choose "Print from visible LilyPond text", the start of the error will be highlighted in red, and the error message from LilyPond will appear in the LilyPond errors pane. You can move the cursor about in that pane and using the arrow keys and it should find the place in the Denemo score where something nasty has been introduced. If in doubt, please send me the file to look at. > > > In the Edit->Preferences->Externals tab you can set the path to > > lilypond. I believe I have seen this failure to find LilyPond too when > > testing the GNU/Linux binary, I don't know what that is due to. > > The lilypond path was set correctly in the preferences. In fact, it just > tells me that it fails and it does not show the preview. But I can > export a pdf. So LP is found somehow. > > >> The look is still similar to Windows 95. On the website I saw something > >> gnome-like but not in my installed version. Is that available? > > > > I don't understand this comment - what is the link? > > http://www.denemo.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/display7.png > > My version looks more like this: > http://www.denemo.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/display3.png These old screen shots were perhaps made with different window managers. All that sort of stuff is dependent on the "theme" I think. I never pay attention to it myself, it is (AFAIK) not specific to Denemo. > > >> For my taste, there are too much buttons > > > > By "buttons" are you referring to those in palettes? - yes they are > > nearly all displayed at first. But if you close them down or hide > > individual buttons (right click) they will not come back. > > That's what I mean. They come back each time I start the program. I think you must have used Ctrl-C to quit the program, in which case the palette changes are not saved. > > > ' should be octave up, do you have a non-qwerty keyboard? > I have a German keyboard layout which means the ä is my ' ;) that works. Did you have to execute "Save Command Set" to make the change permanent? It should ask you as you quit... This is off-topic for the LilyPond list, so I will continue in private, but it is still very useful for me to see how the program appears to newcomers. Richard ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Denemo-feedback
Hi Richard, >> It can't use lilypond with it for some reason (it crashes > I trust you don't mean that Denemo itself crashes? Just that LilyPond No Denemo does not crash. But the Print View tells me: INVALID! Lilypond can not typeset this score. > In the Edit->Preferences->Externals tab you can set the path to > lilypond. I believe I have seen this failure to find LilyPond too when > testing the GNU/Linux binary, I don't know what that is due to. The lilypond path was set correctly in the preferences. In fact, it just tells me that it fails and it does not show the preview. But I can export a pdf. So LP is found somehow. >> The look is still similar to Windows 95. On the website I saw something >> gnome-like but not in my installed version. Is that available? > > I don't understand this comment - what is the link? http://www.denemo.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/display7.png My version looks more like this: http://www.denemo.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/display3.png >> For my taste, there are too much buttons > > By "buttons" are you referring to those in palettes? - yes they are > nearly all displayed at first. But if you close them down or hide > individual buttons (right click) they will not come back. That's what I mean. They come back each time I start the program. > ' should be octave up, do you have a non-qwerty keyboard? I have a German keyboard layout which means the ä is my ' ;) that works. Cheers, Joram ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Denemo-feedback
Hi Richard, sorry for the old version. I now installed Denemo 1.1.0 from the website. It can't use lilypond with it for some reason (it crashes when I want to print) but I can look around and compare. Many things have improved a lot: The sound plays nicely, the buttons show no artefacts, the menus are readable. I like the feature that one can click on the key signature to increase the sharps or flats. The look is still similar to Windows 95. On the website I saw something gnome-like but not in my installed version. Is that available? For my taste, there are too much buttons with a similar meaning. E.g. all the slur and bracket buttons could be simplified as Frescobaldi does: the slur spans the selected range of notes. Also, the buttons to insert a note and change the current note to a different duration duplicate things. Wouldn't it make sense to merge them (two different modes or a shift+click for changing). It would also be convenient to move the current note up or down with the up/down key (it moves only the cursor). I am still confused by the cursors, one | marking the point in time and a square marking the current note/pitch. It is sometimes green, sometimes blue. It is not clear to me how a new measure is started. At the beginning it worked (like in LP) automatically but later I had measures with more than 4 beats (coloured in read) and the automatic bar line was missing. The menus are very full which is probably a result of putting everything in that is possible (which is good to have). But an intelligent reduction would be needed (imho). E.g. for slurs you have to search a while: Notes/Rests > Markings > Slurs > Begin slur The menues are difficult to browser, because the tooltip/hint is often very large and covers the menu. What is the reason for not chosing LP shortcuts for input: (=start slur, )=end it, 8=eigth note, r=rest etc. It would train people a bit to this well designed representation. , works to go down one octave, but ' does not go up. The dot button and the accidental buttons as well as key signatures and clefs work nicely. I am still not convinced but it is definitely in a better state and there were many improvements. Cheers, Joram ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Denemo-feedback
Federico Bruni schrieb: >> >> On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 01:20 +0100, Noeck wrote: >> > several times now, I looked at Denemo (about twice a year for the >last 4 >> > years). So I can only share a first impression. As background info: >I >> > probably always will prefer text input and I like Frescobaldi very >much. >> > But I think that a GUI is definitely needed for the average >musician. My >> > approach: A GUI program should be self explaining - I did not read >the >> > manual. Denemo version 0.9.2 (latest ubuntu). >> > >HI Noeck > >I'm in the same situation: I'm more than happy with text input and >Frescobaldi, but I get interested in Denemo because I want to spread >the >use of LilyPond and I think that we need a GUI for this. > >Denemo is improved a lot in the last months. >One interesting feature of Denemo (missing in Frescobaldi, at the >moment) >is instant compile. It's on the wish list for some time. Another thing which will probably make instant compilation easier to realize is moving the music view to svg. On the long run this will lead to be able to graphically edit the result from a lilypond run, inserting the respective tweaks into the input files. Of course it will be a long way until that's near comprehensive, but if we start with tweaking slurs, fixing pitches or drawing spanners it will be more than a good start. > >I'm not using Denemo, sometimes I compile it and do a few tests just to >check the translation. >But I think that it's worth trying it again. > > > > >___ >lilypond-user mailing list >lilypond-user@gnu.org >https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Denemo-feedback
> > On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 01:20 +0100, Noeck wrote: > > several times now, I looked at Denemo (about twice a year for the last 4 > > years). So I can only share a first impression. As background info: I > > probably always will prefer text input and I like Frescobaldi very much. > > But I think that a GUI is definitely needed for the average musician. My > > approach: A GUI program should be self explaining - I did not read the > > manual. Denemo version 0.9.2 (latest ubuntu). > HI Noeck I'm in the same situation: I'm more than happy with text input and Frescobaldi, but I get interested in Denemo because I want to spread the use of LilyPond and I think that we need a GUI for this. Denemo is improved a lot in the last months. One interesting feature of Denemo (missing in Frescobaldi, at the moment) is instant compile. I'm not using Denemo, sometimes I compile it and do a few tests just to check the translation. But I think that it's worth trying it again. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Denemo-feedback
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 01:20 +0100, Noeck wrote: > > But the feedback I get about Denemo is almost entirely positive - those > > who find it unusable just quietly switch to something else, out of > > politeness I guess. Most unhelpful! > > Hi Richard, > > several times now, I looked at Denemo (about twice a year for the last 4 > years). So I can only share a first impression. As background info: I > probably always will prefer text input and I like Frescobaldi very much. > But I think that a GUI is definitely needed for the average musician. My > approach: A GUI program should be self explaining - I did not read the > manual. Denemo version 0.9.2 (latest ubuntu). sigh!, that is just over two years out of date. Like LilyPond we have now started posting binaries for GNU/Linux on our website. I was using ancient LilyPond versions until I finally posted to the LilyPond bug list and got told about not depending on my distro for a LilyPond installer. Is there anything we can do to alert people who would not want to be using ancient versions if only they knew? > > You asked for feedback, so here is my first impression (+ positive, - neg.): > > Note entry: > - So I open Denemo and I get asked about the input method (for most of > them I don't know what they mean). I chose simple (this takes minutes, > if I choose Lilypond, it hangs completely), but I am not intelligent > enough to directly figure out how it works. I can enter notes with the > mouse and hitting enter. Why can't I just click? The different cursors > (for pitch and time-position) and their colours confuse me, why not one? > I would find it more intuitive if I could click on a note to change it > and between notes to insert something. Here, it is difficult to respond. So much has changed and I only have hazy recollections of what the program was like then... I think all of those things are long fixed. > + If I click on a note, it gets marked and I can add articulations, > that's nice. Delete, arrows, etc. work as expected. I can change clefs > and the key by clicking on them, that's good. > > - I can not click on the barlines, barnumbers, slurs, beams, > clef-changes to edit them This remains true, except that nowadays you can click on slurs and other things in the final typeset and do things to them there. I think of the clicking with the mouse to do things as just something that gets people started, for serious use I expect people to use the keyboard, as it is quicker. (Perhaps I should add that for historical reasons, making things like barlines, trills, etc. clickable is comparatively hard - the display is still largely just a drawing as it was in 1999 (?) when the program was created). > > - I can add a slur, but it is not shown where I selected the notes but > half a measure later. ??? sounds bizarre > > - I thought, maybe I can move things (thats where a GUI could be > advantageous over the text input), but dragging does not work This is a GUI not a WYSIWYG display. That is, what you see is what you mean, you can see what music you have entered, but not what the LilyPond will typeset to look like. And that is, of course, absolutely fundamental, and is why Denemo is unusual. You are trading WYSIWYG for quality of typesetting - if you typeset as you enter the music either you have to wait a long time between each keystroke or you have to put up with poor typesetting which needs manual adjustments. > > Look: > - Why don't you use Fetafont symbols for the buttons and for objects > (like the time signature)? It would look much nicer. a good idea - I think they have been creeping in over the last couple of years. > > - I see a tilde ~ in front of each duration button symbol. > > - The ~. symbol has no effect > > - It also would make a better impression, if there were lots of toolbars > (not that I like it, but I would give the impression that this is a > powerful tool) I think all that is ancient history now. > > - There are so many menu items that I can only see 2 letters of each > menu item. So I can only guess what's behind. ??? menus have been shortened (and deepened) a couple of times ... now we have a searchable command center; we cannot add every LilyPond feature into a hierarchical menu system. > > - The score 'preview' is very far from Lilyponds good quality, that > reduces the fun factor (compared to Frescobaldi, where I see nice scores > while working) On faster machines the LilyPond typeset can keep up (especially if you set it to typeset just a portion of the score). This feature did get announced on the LilyPond list. > > - Everytime I insert a new note, I hear a very strange sound (like > broken speakers) but that's perhaps a linux-only-problem. Well, it is more specific t
Re: installation denemo in window.
On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 04:20 -0700, MING TSANG wrote: > Lilyponders: This email would be better sent to the Denemo mailing list > On the download page it said it includes lilypond. I already have > lilypond v2.16.2 and v2.17.26 installed on my desktop computer. Will > the installation clobber my existing lilypond? No, it is entirely internal to the denemo installation. > What version of lilypond that denemo installer include? 2.16, but you can point Denemo to another version. Richard > I want to try out denemo, but am afraid to install because the > following windows notes from denemo.org download page. > Emanuel, > Ming > > Windows notes: > * This installer includes LilyPond and everything you need to > create, print and playback. It is about 50MB in size. You can > install a more up-to-date LilyPond version, setting Denemo to > use that via the Change Preferences item. > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
installation denemo in window.
Lilyponders: On the download page it said it includes lilypond. I already have lilypond v2.16.2 and v2.17.26 installed on my desktop computer. Will the installation clobber my existing lilypond? What version of lilypond that denemo installer include? I want to try out denemo, but am afraid to install because the following windows notes from denemo.org download page. Emanuel, Ming Windows notes: * This installer includes LilyPond and everything you need to create, print and playback. It is about 50MB in size. You can install a more up-to-date LilyPond version, setting Denemo to use that via the Change Preferences item.___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Denemo version 0.9.0 has been released.
Denemo version 0.9.0 has been released.
Denemo is a program for inputting music notation. http://www.denemo.org
The music being entered is displayed as conventional music notation and
can be typeset via GNU LilyPond and played via internal synthesizer.
Scheme scripting allows the user to generate music tests, music training
exercises and some educational games are included.
This is a major release filling out many features, fixing lots of minor
irritations in earlier versions and providing powerful features
unavailable from any other notation editor.
* New features in this version:
* Undo and Redo
* Undoes all work on any movement with depth limited only
by (virtual) memory size.
* Re-do any number of Undo steps.
* Chord Entry from MIDI keyboard
* Auto advance of cursor
* With status on MIDI-in status bar
* Auto-notate chordal accompaniment
* Conductor
* Drive the playback with the mouse, pause, speed up, slow
down just by moving the mouse
* Works with looping/editing enabling you to listen in
detail as you step through a passage
* Play Along
* Choose one part to play via MIDI in, Denemo plays the
rest waiting for you if you pause
* Works with recording, so you can add improvisations
* MIDI shortcuts
* Delete Selection without removing empty measures
* Standalone Fermata: On barlines, other objects, between notes
etc.
* Small / Half sized Barline
* Phrasing Slurs
* Five Presets for different Voices (1-4 and Automatic),
resembling Lilyponds \voiceOne \voiceTwo etc.
* Separate Export command for saving LilyPond, MIDI
* save a copy of the score while continuing to work on the
original.
* Accompanist's Score
* Scrolling and zooming for the Print Preview window
* Lilypond Importer:
* Fermata
* Partial / Upbeat / Anacrusis
* Tied notes
* Custom beaming (Lilypond brackets [ ])
* Staff/Instrument names and short instrument names
* Staff Groups
* Staff Groups now each have their own command
* Added GrandStaff grouping
* Help Frame to show key bindings and other info directly in
Denemo
* New set of (real, physical) transpose/shift commands
* Arbitrary transposition - specify two notes or the name
of the interval
* Tonal step up / down (stay in key)
* Real whole tone up / down (tranposition)
* Real half tone up / down (tranposition)
* Real octave up / down (tranposition)
* Join Music Objects: Create a new note from a selection of
others
* Join Music Objects 2: Create a new chord with all
pitches and the sum of a selection
* Support for all notehead-styles Lilypond offers (default, cross,
mensural, diamond, slashs and more)
* Create chords with interval-based commands and shortcuts (major
7th, minor 3rd, perfect 5 and so on)
* NotationMagick
* Reverse selected notes
* Mirror selected notes on any axis, e.g.
middle-staff-line
* Sort selected notes according to pitch, ascending and
descending
* Shuffle selected notes.
* Generate rhythms from strings, converted to ascii binary
numbers used as rhythm.
* Lyrics
* Fix overlapping display
* Allow scripted insertion of lyrics
* Paste arbitrary lyrics including accents, multiple words
to one note, multiple notes to a syllable.
* Paste
* rewritten: more robust and faster
* deactivated playback of pasted content
* new variant to replace the selection
* Figured Bass
* Improve display, can now be used to play off screen
* Educational
* Handel's Figured Bass exercises: Play in, then Denemo
analyzes your realization for consecutive 5ths and
octaves.
Known Issues for this version:
* Playback does not get priority over other tasks. This will be
addressed in the course of gsoc 2011.
* Not all LilyPond features are directly available via the GUI.
Here are the compressed sources (from a mirror) :
http://ftpmirror.gnu.org/denemo/denemo-0.9.0.tar.gz
If automatic redirection fails, the list of mirrors is at:
http://www.gnu.org/order/ftp.html
Or if need be you can use the main GNU ftp server:
http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/denemo/denemo-0.
Denemo 0.8.18 Release - Free and Open Music Notation Editor
Get Denemo 0.8.18 http://denemo.org/index.php/Get_Denemo Release Notes: -Default behavior is now non-modal * You can choose one out of four Shortcut systems, including the "Classic" one. * an easy to understand and very slick interface via keyboard * seamless integration with MIDI controllers -Better Paste command. -Musical Snippets - store musical riffs/motifs to be pasted at will or as rhythmic templates for playing over. Maximize the space for the score (with/without user's choice of menus). * Standard View - window size, zoom, number of systems etc * No-Menu version of this view * Page View - user chooses a window size, zoom and number of systems, which is stored with the movement for instant recall. * Single keyboard shortcut for toggling between these views (Esc by default). -MIDI transport work for JACK users. -Fix Chord Symbols for music starting with triplets, grace notes etc. -Fix display of dotted rests -Arbitrary Tuplets built in: correct MIDI output as well as engraving, of course. -Diatonic Transposition: Shift notes and chords up and down respecting the current key signature. -Support for figured bass extenders, including those with no starting figure. -Cursor can be highlighted, making it easier to locate -Page turning is animated: as the last line starts to play, the page visibly turns at the top. -Purely rhythmic notes playback using percussion - click tracks more easily generated. -Split Notes and Chords to smaller notes while preserving the original duration (make a quarter note two 8th or tuplet of 8th or 7-tuplet) -Duplicate a Note or Chord as command -Command line interface for interactive scheme use -Support for the "French" clef (G on bottom line) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Is Denemo a good frontend for Lilypond?
Denemo 0.8.6 claims to be able to edit and save lilypond file. What do you think about the quality of its Lilypond export? How accurate, and how human-readable is Lilypond output produced by Denemo 0.8.6? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond 2.10.0 and Denemo
Please send bug reports (and even better, bug fixes like below) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I forward this email there! /Mats Tapio Tuovila wrote: Mats Bengtsson kirjoitti: Probably, you will have to update the syntax of the file from Denemo using convert-ly, but I wouldn't expect any other problems. /Mats But yes, there seems to be a minor problem with convert-ly in 2.10.0 I would suggest that there are two possible mistakes in convertrules.py of 2.10.0 (linux-x86 GUB, on Suse10.1) so that convert-ly gets stuck at 2.7.14 conversion if the original .ly file is some earlier version. (Currently Denemo exports .ly file \version "2.6.0") It seems to me that convertrules.py line 2636 and line 2638 there is missing ", str" before the last ")" I added those and then convert-ly seemed to work OK also with version 2.6.0 files as exported by Denemo. Is this correct solution? Greetings, Tapio Snippet follows << convertrules.py, line 2617 -> >> conversions.append (((2, 7, 13), conv, '''layout engine refactoring. [FIXME] ''')) def conv (str): str = re.sub (r"\\override +([A-Z.a-z]+) #'callbacks", r"\\override \1", str) str = re.sub (r"\\revert ([A-Z.a-z]+) #'callbacks % ([a-zA-Z]+)", r"\\revert \1 #'\2", str) str = re.sub (r"([XY]-extent)-callback", r'\1', str) str = re.sub (r"RemoveEmptyVerticalGroup", "VerticalAxisGroup", str) str = re.sub (r"\\set ([a-zA-Z]*\.?)minimumVerticalExtent", r"\\override \1VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent", str) str = re.sub (r"minimumVerticalExtent", r"\\override VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent", str) str = re.sub (r"\\set ([a-zA-Z]*\.?)extraVerticalExtent", r"\\override \1VerticalAxisGroup #'extra-Y-extent", str) <== here I added the ", str"; this is line 2636 *** str = re.sub (r"\\set ([a-zA-Z]*\.?)verticalExtent", r"\\override \1VerticalAxisGroup #'Y-extent", str) <== here I also added the ", str"; this is line 2638 *** return str ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe = ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond 2.10.0 and Denemo
Mats Bengtsson kirjoitti: > Probably, you will have to update the syntax of the file from Denemo > using convert-ly, but I wouldn't expect any other problems. > > /Mats > But yes, there seems to be a minor problem with convert-ly in 2.10.0 I would suggest that there are two possible mistakes in convertrules.py of 2.10.0 (linux-x86 GUB, on Suse10.1) so that convert-ly gets stuck at 2.7.14 conversion if the original .ly file is some earlier version. (Currently Denemo exports .ly file \version "2.6.0") It seems to me that convertrules.py line 2636 and line 2638 there is missing ", str" before the last ")" I added those and then convert-ly seemed to work OK also with version 2.6.0 files as exported by Denemo. Is this correct solution? Greetings, Tapio Snippet follows << convertrules.py, line 2617 -> >> conversions.append (((2, 7, 13), conv, '''layout engine refactoring. [FIXME] ''')) def conv (str): str = re.sub (r"\\override +([A-Z.a-z]+) #'callbacks", r"\\override \1", str) str = re.sub (r"\\revert ([A-Z.a-z]+) #'callbacks % ([a-zA-Z]+)", r"\\revert \1 #'\2", str) str = re.sub (r"([XY]-extent)-callback", r'\1', str) str = re.sub (r"RemoveEmptyVerticalGroup", "VerticalAxisGroup", str) str = re.sub (r"\\set ([a-zA-Z]*\.?)minimumVerticalExtent", r"\\override \1VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent", str) str = re.sub (r"minimumVerticalExtent", r"\\override VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent", str) str = re.sub (r"\\set ([a-zA-Z]*\.?)extraVerticalExtent", r"\\override \1VerticalAxisGroup #'extra-Y-extent", str) <== here I added the ", str"; this is line 2636 *** str = re.sub (r"\\set ([a-zA-Z]*\.?)verticalExtent", r"\\override \1VerticalAxisGroup #'Y-extent", str) <== here I also added the ", str"; this is line 2638 *** return str ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond 2.10.0 and Denemo
Probably, you will have to update the syntax of the file from Denemo using convert-ly, but I wouldn't expect any other problems. /Mats Quoting Joseph Wakeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hello everyone, I've just installed the new Lilypond 2.10.0 on my Ubuntu system and was wondering whether Denemo is compatible with this new version. Can anyone advise? Although I've experimented with Lilypond before I'm still a novice, and don't know Denemo at all, so any comments on good practice for using the two together would be welcome. :-) Many thanks, -- Joe ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Lilypond 2.10.0 and Denemo
Hello everyone, I've just installed the new Lilypond 2.10.0 on my Ubuntu system and was wondering whether Denemo is compatible with this new version. Can anyone advise? Although I've experimented with Lilypond before I'm still a novice, and don't know Denemo at all, so any comments on good practice for using the two together would be welcome. :-) Many thanks, -- Joe ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Denemo
Just in case someones interested: -- Hi all, After a long period of time denemo 0.7.4 has been released. New features include : Help Documentation Support for exporting to Lilypond 2.6 All ornaments/articulations added Replace Mode Basic Redo/Undo Functionality for individual objects More Templates available Export to PDF (via lilypond processing) Courtesy of Jens Askengren -- For those how are looking for a gui. Aaron __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Denemo-Rosegarden-WinXP
I doubt it, but you would have to go to those projects' websites to find out for certain. http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ http://denemo.sourceforge.net/ -Josiah Mehmet Okonsar wrote: does anybody have heard of a windows build of Denemo and /or Rosegarden? Is there a way to have them running on win? Mehmet ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Denemo-Rosegarden-WinXP
does anybody have heard of a windows build of Denemo and /or Rosegarden? Is there a way to have them running on win? Mehmet ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
denemo on mac osx?
hi all, does anyone have any experience installing denemo on mac osx? i'm going to attempt it... any tips are welcome it seems all the required libs are available through fink... tom .. www.tomtlalim.tk www.tangiercluj.tk www.club-mtk.tk .. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: denemo-0.7.1 How to install on Mac OS X 10.2.8 ???
On 12/7/03 3:14 AM, "Adam Tee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting Walter Hofmeister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> Niko, >> I installed Denemo on my mac by running and installing with Fink. You >> will need an X11 system also installed to use it. It looked interesting to >> me at first but was unable to get basic things working like dotted note >> values. I suspect that there is a problem with the keyboard layout that is >> causing the problem but do not know how to solve it. Perhaps someone else on >> the list knows? >> > > This problem can be solved by editing the keymap functions, under the edit > menu. > It also depends upon your keyboard layout ( I think) but there are sample > layouts for french and english keyboards under the files (*.keymaprc). > > > Hope this helps. > > > Adam Right you are Adam. I looked under the keyboard in the edit menu and sure enough some of the things I could not get to work were not assigned key bindings. I will try to fix this and get back to you if there are any other problems. Thanks very much. Walter Hofmeister ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: denemo-0.7.1 How to install on Mac OS X 10.2.8 ???
Quoting Walter Hofmeister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Niko, > I installed Denemo on my mac by running and installing with Fink. You > will need an X11 system also installed to use it. It looked interesting to > me at first but was unable to get basic things working like dotted note > values. I suspect that there is a problem with the keyboard layout that is > causing the problem but do not know how to solve it. Perhaps someone else on > the list knows? > This problem can be solved by editing the keymap functions, under the edit menu. It also depends upon your keyboard layout ( I think) but there are sample layouts for french and english keyboards under the files (*.keymaprc). Hope this helps. Adam ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: denemo-0.7.1 How to install on Mac OS X 10.2.8 ???
On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 22:49, Walter Hofmeister wrote: > On 12/6/03 3:07 AM, "nikolai zinke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I'am at the very beginning of lilypond stuff. > > I've found an interesting tool at sougeforge : > > > > denemo-0.7.1 > > > > In the mailing list there are a lot of topics around that, but there > > is'nt any mail > > how to install on Mac OS X 10.2.8 ! > > At this time I'm using lilypond 2.0.1 and I guess there are all items > > installed I need to run it. > > > > Thanks a lot for your responses, > > > > regards, Niko > Niko, > I installed Denemo on my mac by running and installing with Fink. You > will need an X11 system also installed to use it. It looked interesting to > me at first but was unable to get basic things working like dotted note > values. I suspect that there is a problem with the keyboard layout that is > causing the problem but do not know how to solve it. Perhaps someone else on > the list knows? Everything should work there are some bugs especially if your using alsa make sure to change the playback options to match your system. I can't even figure out what your problem is. BTW denemo needs alsa libs and alsa dev libs if I remember correctly. there is in the edit menu a very good dialog for changing keyboard shortcuts. If you have specific questions let me know. Aaron > > Walter Hofmeister > > > > ___ > Lilypond-user mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: denemo-0.7.1 How to install on Mac OS X 10.2.8 ???
On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 13:07, nikolai zinke wrote: > Hello, > > I'am at the very beginning of lilypond stuff. > I've found an interesting tool at sougeforge : > > denemo-0.7.1 > > In the mailing list there are a lot of topics around that, but there > is'nt any mail > how to install on Mac OS X 10.2.8 ! > At this time I'm using lilypond 2.0.1 and I guess there are all items > installed I need to run it. > > Thanks a lot for your responses, > > regards, Niko > > I am a linux person and there is a denemo list. I would recommend denemo from cvs over tars. There are a bunch of hidden features such as lilypond editing that I am not sure are in the binaries(maybe they have added them by now) I was using denemo for half a year until I figured out that editing text is actually quicker than graphical editing. The issue is that with a graphical editor you must move up and down on the staff and right and left. Text is as fast as your touch typing skills Aaron > > ___ > Lilypond-user mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: denemo-0.7.1 How to install on Mac OS X 10.2.8 ???
On 12/6/03 3:07 AM, "nikolai zinke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > I'am at the very beginning of lilypond stuff. > I've found an interesting tool at sougeforge : > > denemo-0.7.1 > > In the mailing list there are a lot of topics around that, but there > is'nt any mail > how to install on Mac OS X 10.2.8 ! > At this time I'm using lilypond 2.0.1 and I guess there are all items > installed I need to run it. > > Thanks a lot for your responses, > > regards, Niko Niko, I installed Denemo on my mac by running and installing with Fink. You will need an X11 system also installed to use it. It looked interesting to me at first but was unable to get basic things working like dotted note values. I suspect that there is a problem with the keyboard layout that is causing the problem but do not know how to solve it. Perhaps someone else on the list knows? Walter Hofmeister ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
denemo-0.7.1 How to install on Mac OS X 10.2.8 ???
Hello, I'am at the very beginning of lilypond stuff. I've found an interesting tool at sougeforge : denemo-0.7.1 In the mailing list there are a lot of topics around that, but there is'nt any mail how to install on Mac OS X 10.2.8 ! At this time I'm using lilypond 2.0.1 and I guess there are all items installed I need to run it. Thanks a lot for your responses, regards, Niko ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Denemo 0.6.0
Denemo version 0.6.0 is now available from: http://sourceforge.net/projects/denemo New Features: Basic Support for Lyrics Invisible Musical Objects CSound Output Along with various small bug fixes. Lyrics are still at the testing stage and require looking at especially syllable extenders. Adam -- Adam Tee Postgraduate Research Student Dept of Electronic & Electrical Engineering and Dept of Music University of Leeds LS2 9JT UK ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
