Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives?

[Kenneth Flak]

My very first contribution :-) Nice!

Colin Campbell, May 04, 2024 at 02:51:
> Thanks again for the text, Ken!  I've put it up for review along with a
> bunch of housekeeping bits, and it could get merged into the
> documentation mid-week.  You'll be able to point to your contribution to
> LilyPond!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Colin
>
> On 2024-05-01 22:33, Kenneth Flak wrote:
> > OK, giving it a shot... Feel free to edit as needed!
> >
> > Kenneth
> >
> >
> > Neovim
> >
> > https://neovim.io
> >
> > Neovim is a minimal text editor and fork of vim. It is highly extensible 
> > and configurable through the vimscript and lua programming languages. 
> > Lilypond support is provided by the nvim-lilypond-suite plugin 
> > (https://github.com/martineausimon/nvim-lilypond-suite). The plugin 
> > supports playback of midi files through external programs; point-and-click 
> > when using a supported PDF viewer; snippets and code completion when 
> > combined with other plugins; in addition to the full range of tools 
> > available in the neovim ecosystem. For more details on how to set it up 
> > consult the plugin's github page. You will also want to spend some time 
> > with some of the numerous online tutorials for learning vim/neovim to get 
> > the most out of your editing experience.
> >
> >
> > Werner LEMBERG, May 02, 2024 at 05:49:
>  Maybe one of you two can provide some text for
> 
>  https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/web/easier-editing
> >>> It happens that my first contribution to the Lilypond documentation
> >>> was a rewrite of the Easier Editing section, some 14 years ago or
> >>> so.
> >> Aaah :-)
> >>
> >>> If either or both care to send me their thoughts and comments, I'll
> >>> be glad to turn it into a patch.
> >> This would be great!  Thanks for the offer.
> >>
> >>
> >>  Werner
> >
> >
> >

Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives?

[Colin Campbell]

Thanks again for the text, Ken!  I've put it up for review along with a 
bunch of housekeeping bits, and it could get merged into the 
documentation mid-week.  You'll be able to point to your contribution to 
LilyPond!


Cheers,

Colin

On 2024-05-01 22:33, Kenneth Flak wrote:

OK, giving it a shot... Feel free to edit as needed!

Kenneth


Neovim

https://neovim.io

Neovim is a minimal text editor and fork of vim. It is highly extensible and 
configurable through the vimscript and lua programming languages. Lilypond 
support is provided by the nvim-lilypond-suite plugin 
(https://github.com/martineausimon/nvim-lilypond-suite). The plugin supports 
playback of midi files through external programs; point-and-click when using a 
supported PDF viewer; snippets and code completion when combined with other 
plugins; in addition to the full range of tools available in the neovim 
ecosystem. For more details on how to set it up consult the plugin's github 
page. You will also want to spend some time with some of the numerous online 
tutorials for learning vim/neovim to get the most out of your editing 
experience.


Werner LEMBERG, May 02, 2024 at 05:49:

Maybe one of you two can provide some text for

https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/web/easier-editing

It happens that my first contribution to the Lilypond documentation
was a rewrite of the Easier Editing section, some 14 years ago or
so.

Aaah :-)


If either or both care to send me their thoughts and comments, I'll
be glad to turn it into a patch.

This would be great!  Thanks for the offer.


 Werner

Re: Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives?

[Kenneth Flak]

Cool! TBH I've not used point-and-click much, but according to the 
documentation it should work both ways: 
https://github.com/martineausimon/nvim-lilypond-suite/wiki/2.-Configuration#point-and-click



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 Original Message 
On 5/2/24 22:59, Colin Campbell  wrote:

>  This looks really good, Ken. I'm going to do a general tidy up on the
>  Easier Editing page, but I hope to have something up for review in a day
>  or two. I've installed neovim, but to save a bit of time: is the
>  point-and-click two-way, like Frescobaldi, or from PDF to code only?
>  
>  
>  Cheers,
>  
>  Colin
>  
>  On 2024-05-01 22:33, Kenneth Flak wrote:
>  > OK, giving it a shot... Feel free to edit as needed!
>  >
>  > Kenneth
>  >
>  >
>  > Neovim
>  >
>  > https://neovim.io
>  >
>  > Neovim is a minimal text editor and fork of vim. It is highly extensible 
> and configurable through the vimscript and lua programming languages. 
> Lilypond support is provided by the nvim-lilypond-suite plugin 
> (https://github.com/martineausimon/nvim-lilypond-suite). The plugin supports 
> playback of midi files through external programs; point-and-click when using 
> a supported PDF viewer; snippets and code completion when combined with other 
> plugins; in addition to the full range of tools available in the neovim 
> ecosystem. For more details on how to set it up consult the plugin's github 
> page. You will also want to spend some time with some of the numerous online 
> tutorials for learning vim/neovim to get the most out of your editing 
> experience.
>  >
>  >
>  > Werner LEMBERG, May 02, 2024 at 05:49:
>   Maybe one of you two can provide some text for
>  
>   https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/web/easier-editing
>  >>> It happens that my first contribution to the Lilypond documentation
>  >>> was a rewrite of the Easier Editing section, some 14 years ago or
>  >>> so.
>  >> Aaah :-)
>  >>
>  >>> If either or both care to send me their thoughts and comments, I'll
>  >>> be glad to turn it into a patch.
>  >> This would be great!  Thanks for the offer.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  Werner
>  >
>  >
>  >
>

Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives? (Kenneth Flak)

[Jeff Kopmanis]

Sounds like just the VSLilyPond-PDF-Preview extension is not being
maintained.  I'll take a look at that tonight...thanks, Federico!

On Thu, May 2, 2024 at 4:41 PM Federico Sarudiansky 
wrote:

> Hi Jeff.
>
> I've been using VSLilypond for VSCode for a while now and I found a
> solution for the annoying lack of refresh of the PDF output. It is here:
> https://github.com/lhl2617/VSLilyPond-PDF-preview/pull/118
> Basically you have to edit a file of the Lilypond PDF preview extension
> (~/.vscode/extensions/lhl2617.lilypond-pdf-preview-0.2.8/out/extension/pdf-preview.js)
> and, look for "watcher.onDidChange" and add a similar construction for
> using "watcher.onDidCreate". And it works flawlessly.
> I think the owner of VSLilypond is not maintaining this project anymore.
> So this is not merged in the extension you can download and should be done
> by hand.
>
> Regards,
>
> F.
>


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Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives? (Colin Campbell)

[jeff]

No it's only a one way point-and-click from the pdf and not as smooth 
and fast as Fresco.


It's not as complete as Fresco but when you're a vim-centric guy on 
different project your're looking for interaction with your linux system 
and this plugin becomes really helpful for that.


And his maintenance will evolve, for sure.

Here is some more about Simon.

https://github.com/martineausimon/lilypond-lib

Jeff


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 2 May 2024 13:59:12 -0600
From: Colin Campbell 
To: Kenneth Flak , Werner LEMBERG

Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives?
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

This looks really good, Ken. I'm going to do a general tidy up on the
Easier Editing page, but I hope to have something up for review in a day
or two. I've installed neovim, but to save a bit of time: is the
point-and-click two-way, like Frescobaldi, or from PDF to code only?


Cheers,

Colin

On 2024-05-01 22:33, Kenneth Flak wrote:

OK, giving it a shot... Feel free to edit as needed!

Kenneth


Neovim

https://neovim.io

Neovim is a minimal text editor and fork of vim. It is highly extensible and 
configurable through the vimscript and lua programming languages. Lilypond 
support is provided by the nvim-lilypond-suite plugin 
(https://github.com/martineausimon/nvim-lilypond-suite). The plugin supports 
playback of midi files through external programs; point-and-click when using a 
supported PDF viewer; snippets and code completion when combined with other 
plugins; in addition to the full range of tools available in the neovim 
ecosystem. For more details on how to set it up consult the plugin's github 
page. You will also want to spend some time with some of the numerous online 
tutorials for learning vim/neovim to get the most out of your editing 
experience.


Werner LEMBERG, May 02, 2024 at 05:49:

Maybe one of you two can provide some text for

 https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/web/easier-editing

It happens that my first contribution to the Lilypond documentation
was a rewrite of the Easier Editing section, some 14 years ago or
so.

Aaah :-)


If either or both care to send me their thoughts and comments, I'll
be glad to turn it into a patch.

This would be great!  Thanks for the offer.


  Werner






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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 2 May 2024 16:04:17 -0400
From: Jeff Kopmanis 
To: jeff 
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives? (Kenneth Flak)
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I kicked the tires with VScode and the VSLilypond extension set, and it
worked pretty well.  I'm not sure I figured out how to *automagically* update
the PDF display, all I had to do was to close and reopen the file and it
was there.  Clicking on a note in the PDF viewer took me right to the text
and clicking on text and asking for it to find it in the PDF worked as
well.  Syntax highlighting and completion worked nicely as well as the
formatting.  Compiling worked nicely, although in some cases, my files
generate some warnings that Frescobaldi did not.  I suspect different
compile options that could be worked out over time.

Overall, a reasonable replacement if Frescobaldi goes awayuntil then,
Frescobaldi is still easier.

-Jeff. :)

On Thu, May 2, 2024 at 3:57 PM jeff  wrote:


Well done Kenneth! I don't have anything better to say. Maybe asking
Simon Martineau is thoughts about that. And thanks to Werner for the
proposal. It feels a little bit like I'm a part of the game, haha. I have
more than 20 scores to transpose on lilypond so I'm here to stay a little
longer and read and learn from you.
Jeff

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Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives? (Kenneth Flak)

[Federico Sarudiansky]

Hi Jeff.

I've been using VSLilypond for VSCode for a while now and I found a
solution for the annoying lack of refresh of the PDF output. It is here:
https://github.com/lhl2617/VSLilyPond-PDF-preview/pull/118
Basically you have to edit a file of the Lilypond PDF preview extension
(~/.vscode/extensions/lhl2617.lilypond-pdf-preview-0.2.8/out/extension/pdf-preview.js)
and, look for "watcher.onDidChange" and add a similar construction for
using "watcher.onDidCreate". And it works flawlessly.
I think the owner of VSLilypond is not maintaining this project anymore. So
this is not merged in the extension you can download and should be done by
hand.

Regards,

F.

Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives?

[Hajo Baess]

And while you are about to extend the 'Easier Editing' section: maybe
for the Mac users in particular one might want to add the combination
of TeXShop/LaTeX and Skim/Preview. I had a Mac until about 12 years ago
when I started to use LilyPond. That was on Mac OS 10.4, before I left
the Apple universe for good in favor of Linux. But this combo worked
very well for me, and both programs are still around, so that one can
safely assume that it still is an option today.

It is just good to know there are alternatives to Frescobaldi, and it
would be convenient to have them mentioned in one place, so everyone
can check them out.

Am Donnerstag, dem 02.05.2024 um 04:33 + schrieb Kenneth Flak:
> OK, giving it a shot... Feel free to edit as needed!
> 
> Kenneth
> 
> 
> Neovim
> 
> https://neovim.io
> 
> Neovim is a minimal text editor and fork of vim. It is highly
> extensible and configurable through the vimscript and lua programming
> languages. Lilypond support is provided by the nvim-lilypond-suite
> plugin (https://github.com/martineausimon/nvim-lilypond-suite). The
> plugin supports playback of midi files through external programs;
> point-and-click when using a supported PDF viewer; snippets and code
> completion when combined with other plugins; in addition to the full
> range of tools available in the neovim ecosystem. For more details on
> how to set it up consult the plugin's github page. You will also want
> to spend some time with some of the numerous online tutorials for
> learning vim/neovim to get the most out of your editing experience.
> 
> 
> Werner LEMBERG, May 02, 2024 at 05:49:
> > 
> > > > Maybe one of you two can provide some text for
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/web/easier-editing
> > > 
> > > It happens that my first contribution to the Lilypond
> > > documentation
> > > was a rewrite of the Easier Editing section, some 14 years ago or
> > > so.
> > 
> > Aaah :-)
> > 
> > > If either or both care to send me their thoughts and comments,
> > > I'll
> > > be glad to turn it into a patch.
> > 
> > This would be great!  Thanks for the offer.
> > 
> > 
> >     Werner
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives? (Kenneth Flak)

[Jeff Kopmanis]

I kicked the tires with VScode and the VSLilypond extension set, and it
worked pretty well.  I'm not sure I figured out how to *automagically* update
the PDF display, all I had to do was to close and reopen the file and it
was there.  Clicking on a note in the PDF viewer took me right to the text
and clicking on text and asking for it to find it in the PDF worked as
well.  Syntax highlighting and completion worked nicely as well as the
formatting.  Compiling worked nicely, although in some cases, my files
generate some warnings that Frescobaldi did not.  I suspect different
compile options that could be worked out over time.

Overall, a reasonable replacement if Frescobaldi goes awayuntil then,
Frescobaldi is still easier.

-Jeff. :)

On Thu, May 2, 2024 at 3:57 PM jeff  wrote:

> Well done Kenneth! I don't have anything better to say. Maybe asking
> Simon Martineau is thoughts about that. And thanks to Werner for the
> proposal. It feels a little bit like I'm a part of the game, haha. I have
> more than 20 scores to transpose on lilypond so I'm here to stay a little
> longer and read and learn from you.
> Jeff
>
> On 02/05/2024 19:29, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote:
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>2. Re: \after … \beforeLast? (Knute Snortum)
>3. Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives? (Kenneth Flak)
>4. Re: \after … \beforeLast? (Hans Aikema)
>5. Re: \after … \beforeLast? (Lukas-Fabian Moser)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 2 May 2024 18:07:33 +0100
> From: Raphael Mankin  
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives?
> Message-ID: <474001f7-e9c0-4759-8106-174a0bb41...@mankin.org.uk> 
> <474001f7-e9c0-4759-8106-174a0bb41...@mankin.org.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> This is a much better description of Neovim than exists on any  of the
> Neovim web-sites. They all jump straight into detail without telling one
> what the whole thing is about. I struggled to work out what Neovim is,
> or why I should want to use it.
>
> On 02/05/2024 05:33, Kenneth Flak wrote:
>
> OK, giving it a shot... Feel free to edit as needed!
>
> Kenneth
>
>
> Neovim
> https://neovim.io
>
> Neovim is a minimal text editor and fork of vim. It is highly extensible and 
> configurable through the vimscript and lua programming languages. Lilypond 
> support is provided by the nvim-lilypond-suite plugin 
> (https://github.com/martineausimon/nvim-lilypond-suite). The plugin supports 
> playback of midi files through external programs; point-and-click when using 
> a supported PDF viewer; snippets and code completion when combined with other 
> plugins; in addition to the full range of tools available in the neovim 
> ecosystem. For more details on how to set it up consult the plugin's github 
> page. You will also want to spend some time with some of the numerous online 
> tutorials for learning vim/neovim to get the most out of your editing 
> experience.
>
>
> Werner LEMBERG, May 02, 2024 at 05:49:
>
> Maybe one of you two can provide some text for
>
> https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/web/easier-editing
>
> It happens that my first contribution to the Lilypond documentation
> was a rewrite of the Easier Editing section, some 14 years ago or
> so.
>
> Aaah :-)
>
>
> If either or both care to send me their thoughts and comments, I'll
> be glad to turn it into a patch.
>
> This would be great!  Thanks for the offer.
>
>
>  Werner
>
>
>  -- https://jefflagoutte.com/
>
>

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Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives?

[Colin Campbell]

This looks really good, Ken. I'm going to do a general tidy up on the 
Easier Editing page, but I hope to have something up for review in a day 
or two. I've installed neovim, but to save a bit of time: is the 
point-and-click two-way, like Frescobaldi, or from PDF to code only?



Cheers,

Colin

On 2024-05-01 22:33, Kenneth Flak wrote:

OK, giving it a shot... Feel free to edit as needed!

Kenneth


Neovim

https://neovim.io

Neovim is a minimal text editor and fork of vim. It is highly extensible and 
configurable through the vimscript and lua programming languages. Lilypond 
support is provided by the nvim-lilypond-suite plugin 
(https://github.com/martineausimon/nvim-lilypond-suite). The plugin supports 
playback of midi files through external programs; point-and-click when using a 
supported PDF viewer; snippets and code completion when combined with other 
plugins; in addition to the full range of tools available in the neovim 
ecosystem. For more details on how to set it up consult the plugin's github 
page. You will also want to spend some time with some of the numerous online 
tutorials for learning vim/neovim to get the most out of your editing 
experience.


Werner LEMBERG, May 02, 2024 at 05:49:

Maybe one of you two can provide some text for

https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/web/easier-editing

It happens that my first contribution to the Lilypond documentation
was a rewrite of the Easier Editing section, some 14 years ago or
so.

Aaah :-)


If either or both care to send me their thoughts and comments, I'll
be glad to turn it into a patch.

This would be great!  Thanks for the offer.


 Werner

Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives? (Kenneth Flak)

[jeff]

Well done Kenneth! I don't have anything better to say.Maybe asking 
Simon Martineau is thoughts about that.And thanks to Werner for the 
proposal.It feels a little bit like I'm a part of the game, haha. I have 
more than 20 scores to transpose on lilypond so I'm here to stay a 
little longer and read and learn from you.

Jeff

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2. Re: \after … \beforeLast? (Knute Snortum)
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4. Re: \after … \beforeLast? (Hans Aikema)
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Date: Thu, 2 May 2024 18:07:33 +0100
From: Raphael Mankin
To:lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives?
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This is a much better description of Neovim than exists on any  of the
Neovim web-sites. They all jump straight into detail without telling one
what the whole thing is about. I struggled to work out what Neovim is,
or why I should want to use it.

On 02/05/2024 05:33, Kenneth Flak wrote:

OK, giving it a shot... Feel free to edit as needed!

Kenneth


Neovim

https://neovim.io

Neovim is a minimal text editor and fork of vim. It is highly extensible and 
configurable through the vimscript and lua programming languages. Lilypond 
support is provided by the nvim-lilypond-suite plugin 
(https://github.com/martineausimon/nvim-lilypond-suite). The plugin supports 
playback of midi files through external programs; point-and-click when using a 
supported PDF viewer; snippets and code completion when combined with other 
plugins; in addition to the full range of tools available in the neovim 
ecosystem. For more details on how to set it up consult the plugin's github 
page. You will also want to spend some time with some of the numerous online 
tutorials for learning vim/neovim to get the most out of your editing 
experience.


Werner LEMBERG, May 02, 2024 at 05:49:

Maybe one of you two can provide some text for

 https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/web/easier-editing

It happens that my first contribution to the Lilypond documentation
was a rewrite of the Easier Editing section, some 14 years ago or
so.

Aaah :-)


If either or both care to send me their thoughts and comments, I'll
be glad to turn it into a patch.

This would be great!  Thanks for the offer.


  Werner






--
https://jefflagoutte.com/

Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives?

[Kenneth Flak]

Glad to hear that the description is useful for you!

I agree, the website is not great at onboarding new users...

Best,
Kenneth

Raphael Mankin, May 02, 2024 at 20:07:
> This is a much better description of Neovim than exists on any  of the
> Neovim web-sites. They all jump straight into detail without telling one
> what the whole thing is about. I struggled to work out what Neovim is,
> or why I should want to use it.
>
> On 02/05/2024 05:33, Kenneth Flak wrote:
> > OK, giving it a shot... Feel free to edit as needed!
> >
> > Kenneth
> >
> >
> > Neovim
> >
> > https://neovim.io
> >
> > Neovim is a minimal text editor and fork of vim. It is highly extensible 
> > and configurable through the vimscript and lua programming languages. 
> > Lilypond support is provided by the nvim-lilypond-suite plugin 
> > (https://github.com/martineausimon/nvim-lilypond-suite). The plugin 
> > supports playback of midi files through external programs; point-and-click 
> > when using a supported PDF viewer; snippets and code completion when 
> > combined with other plugins; in addition to the full range of tools 
> > available in the neovim ecosystem. For more details on how to set it up 
> > consult the plugin's github page. You will also want to spend some time 
> > with some of the numerous online tutorials for learning vim/neovim to get 
> > the most out of your editing experience.
> >
> >
> > Werner LEMBERG, May 02, 2024 at 05:49:
> >>
>  Maybe one of you two can provide some text for
> 
>  https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/web/easier-editing
> >>>
> >>> It happens that my first contribution to the Lilypond documentation
> >>> was a rewrite of the Easier Editing section, some 14 years ago or
> >>> so.
> >>
> >> Aaah :-)
> >>
> >>> If either or both care to send me their thoughts and comments, I'll
> >>> be glad to turn it into a patch.
> >>
> >> This would be great!  Thanks for the offer.
> >>
> >>
> >>  Werner
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> https://saturday-october-seven.com/

Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives?

[Raphael Mankin]

This is a much better description of Neovim than exists on any  of the 
Neovim web-sites. They all jump straight into detail without telling one 
what the whole thing is about. I struggled to work out what Neovim is, 
or why I should want to use it.


On 02/05/2024 05:33, Kenneth Flak wrote:

OK, giving it a shot... Feel free to edit as needed!

Kenneth


Neovim

https://neovim.io

Neovim is a minimal text editor and fork of vim. It is highly extensible and 
configurable through the vimscript and lua programming languages. Lilypond 
support is provided by the nvim-lilypond-suite plugin 
(https://github.com/martineausimon/nvim-lilypond-suite). The plugin supports 
playback of midi files through external programs; point-and-click when using a 
supported PDF viewer; snippets and code completion when combined with other 
plugins; in addition to the full range of tools available in the neovim 
ecosystem. For more details on how to set it up consult the plugin's github 
page. You will also want to spend some time with some of the numerous online 
tutorials for learning vim/neovim to get the most out of your editing 
experience.


Werner LEMBERG, May 02, 2024 at 05:49:



Maybe one of you two can provide some text for

https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/web/easier-editing


It happens that my first contribution to the Lilypond documentation
was a rewrite of the Easier Editing section, some 14 years ago or
so.


Aaah :-)


If either or both care to send me their thoughts and comments, I'll
be glad to turn it into a patch.


This would be great!  Thanks for the offer.


 Werner








--
https://saturday-october-seven.com/

Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives?

[Kenneth Flak]

OK, giving it a shot... Feel free to edit as needed!

Kenneth


Neovim

https://neovim.io

Neovim is a minimal text editor and fork of vim. It is highly extensible and 
configurable through the vimscript and lua programming languages. Lilypond 
support is provided by the nvim-lilypond-suite plugin 
(https://github.com/martineausimon/nvim-lilypond-suite). The plugin supports 
playback of midi files through external programs; point-and-click when using a 
supported PDF viewer; snippets and code completion when combined with other 
plugins; in addition to the full range of tools available in the neovim 
ecosystem. For more details on how to set it up consult the plugin's github 
page. You will also want to spend some time with some of the numerous online 
tutorials for learning vim/neovim to get the most out of your editing 
experience.


Werner LEMBERG, May 02, 2024 at 05:49:
>
> >> Maybe one of you two can provide some text for
> >>
> >>https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/web/easier-editing
> >
> > It happens that my first contribution to the Lilypond documentation
> > was a rewrite of the Easier Editing section, some 14 years ago or
> > so.
>
> Aaah :-)
>
> > If either or both care to send me their thoughts and comments, I'll
> > be glad to turn it into a patch.
>
> This would be great!  Thanks for the offer.
>
>
> Werner

Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives?

[Werner LEMBERG]

>> Maybe one of you two can provide some text for
>>
>>https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/web/easier-editing
> 
> It happens that my first contribution to the Lilypond documentation
> was a rewrite of the Easier Editing section, some 14 years ago or
> so.

Aaah :-)

> If either or both care to send me their thoughts and comments, I'll
> be glad to turn it into a patch.

This would be great!  Thanks for the offer.


Werner

Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives?

[Colin Campbell]

On 2024-05-01 12:38, Werner LEMBERG wrote:

Maybe one of you two can provide some text for

   https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/web/easier-editing


It happens that my first contribution to the Lilypond documentation was 
a rewrite of the Easier Editing section, some 14 years ago or so.


If either or both care to send me their thoughts and comments, I'll be 
glad to turn it into a patch.


Cheers,

Colin

Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives?

[Werner LEMBERG]

> Yes, I also use that combo. It's fantastic, but you'd have to be
> willing to invest some time to climb the admittedly steep learning
> curve of (neo)vim. However, it's a time investment that pays off
> massively, so I recommend it heartily!

Maybe one of you two can provide some text for

  https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/web/easier-editing

?


 Werner

Re: Frescobaldi... panic alternatives?

[Kenneth Flak]

Yes, I also use that combo. It's fantastic, but you'd have to be willing to 
invest some time to climb the admittedly steep learning curve of (neo)vim. 
However, it's a time investment that pays off massively, so I recommend it 
heartily!

Kenneth

Roosna & Flak 
Contemporary Dance & Music
https://roosnaflak.com

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 Original Message 
On 5/1/24 20:26, jeff  wrote:

>  Hi,I live in Paris. I'm a composer. This discussion is really
>  interesting. I came back to lilypond a few month ago because there is no
>  language better than Lilypond dealing with code. I'm not interested in
>  those WYSIWYG. But I also came back because I have a really good tool
>  for Lilypond you didn't mention : neovim + nvim-lilypond-suite by
>  Martineau Simon.
>  
>  https://github.com/martineausimon/nvim-lilypond-suite
>  
>  This plugin blow my mind !
>  
>  Is there someone who experienced it and feel the same enjoyment ?
>  
>  Happy to be a part of your community again, cheers.
>  
>  Jeff Lagoutte
>  
>  
>  On 30/04/2024 22:33, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote:
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>  >
>  > 1. Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives? (Paolo Prete)
>  > 2. RE: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives? (Mark Stephen Mrotek)
>  >
>  >
>  > ------
>  >
>  > Message: 1
>  > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:08:29 +0200
>  > From: Paolo Prete 
>  > To: Mark Stephen Mrotek , lilypond-user
>  >
>  > Subject: Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?
>  > Message-ID:
>  >
>  > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>  >
>  > You'll find all you need at the main page:
>  >
>  > https://github.com/paopre/Spontini
>  >
>  > Cheers
>  >
>  > On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 10:04 PM Mark Stephen Mrotek 
>  > wrote:
>  >
>  >> Paolo,
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Installation instructions?
>  >> Learning/notation manual?
>  >>
>  >> I want to try it.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Mark
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> *From:* lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org
>  >>  *On Behalf Of *Paolo
>  >> Prete
>  >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2024 12:58 PM
>  >> *To:* Dirck Nagy ; lilypond-user 
>  >> *Subject:* Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> FYI I just made a new release of Spontini editor, with the most recent
>  >> changes (most notably: support for recent Lilypond versions)
>  >>
>  >> As mentioned before, I don't own a  MacOS, but the HUGE implemented CI/CD
>  >> should avoid bad surprises. When I say "huge", I mean it.
>  >>
>  >> I always hope that someone decides to host the application, so that it
>  >> provides the same service that LilyBin previously offered.
>  >>
>  >> Please note that you don't have to install anything. Nor the editor, nor
>  >> LilyPond, and you can switch between multiple LilyPond versions.
>  >>
>  >> Anyway, I'm currently the only developer and maintainer of the software,
>  >> and I need collaboration (most notably for testing). Without it, I'm 
> forced
>  >> to mark my releases as "alfa"  (but it should work...)
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> https://github.com/paopre/Spontini/releases/tag/1.23_alfa
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 12:56 PM Paolo Prete  wrote:
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 6:45 AM Dirck Nagy  wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Hi all
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Reading that last thread about Frescobaldi and its possible disappearance
>  >> from Mac is causing me to panic. Jean, I

Frescobaldi... panic alternatives?

[jeff]

Hi,I live in Paris. I'm a composer. This discussion is really 
interesting. I came back to lilypond a few month ago because there is no 
language better than Lilypond dealing with code. I'm not interested in 
those WYSIWYG. But I also came back because I have a really good tool 
for Lilypond you didn't mention : neovim + nvim-lilypond-suite by 
Martineau Simon.


https://github.com/martineausimon/nvim-lilypond-suite

This plugin blow my mind !

Is there someone who experienced it and feel the same enjoyment ?

Happy to be a part of your community again, cheers.

Jeff Lagoutte


On 30/04/2024 22:33, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote:

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:08:29 +0200
From: Paolo Prete 
To: Mark Stephen Mrotek , lilypond-user

Subject: Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

You'll find all you need at the main page:

https://github.com/paopre/Spontini

Cheers

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 10:04 PM Mark Stephen Mrotek 
wrote:


Paolo,



Installation instructions?
Learning/notation manual?

I want to try it.



Mark



*From:* lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org
 *On Behalf Of *Paolo
Prete
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2024 12:58 PM
*To:* Dirck Nagy ; lilypond-user 
*Subject:* Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?



FYI I just made a new release of Spontini editor, with the most recent
changes (most notably: support for recent Lilypond versions)

As mentioned before, I don't own a  MacOS, but the HUGE implemented CI/CD
should avoid bad surprises. When I say "huge", I mean it.

I always hope that someone decides to host the application, so that it
provides the same service that LilyBin previously offered.

Please note that you don't have to install anything. Nor the editor, nor
LilyPond, and you can switch between multiple LilyPond versions.

Anyway, I'm currently the only developer and maintainer of the software,
and I need collaboration (most notably for testing). Without it, I'm forced
to mark my releases as "alfa"  (but it should work...)



https://github.com/paopre/Spontini/releases/tag/1.23_alfa





On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 12:56 PM Paolo Prete  wrote:





On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 6:45 AM Dirck Nagy  wrote:

Hi all



Reading that last thread about Frescobaldi and its possible disappearance
from Mac is causing me to panic. Jean, I did not realize that you were the
last person to seriously work on Frescobaldi / Mac.



I use Mac exclusively, and Frescobaldi / Lilypond is very important to me.



FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:



- Templates and wizards
- Snippets
- Point and Click selection
- Syntax highlighting



If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives for a
Lilypond editor?





Hi,



Although https://github.com/paopre/Spontini is focused on _very
different_ tasks than Frescobaldi, it has the features you just mentioned
(they are exposed in a somewhat different way, but they should work),
including code completion

I could not extensively test it in the past months, nor I own a Mac, but
thanks to CI/CD it should work on newer versions.

I'm planning to make a new release in the next few weeks.

Also, at the moment there are no active contributors for it. Therefore,
any help is really appreciated...







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From: "Mark Stephen Mrotek" 
To: "'Paolo Prete'" , "'lilypond-user'"

Subject: RE: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?
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Paolo,

  


Thank you.

  


Mark

  


From: Paolo Prete 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2024 1:08 PM
To: Mark Stephen Mrotek ; lilypond-user 

Subject: Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

  


You'll find all you need at the main page:

  


https://github.com/paopre/Spontini

  


Cheers

  


On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 10:04 PM Mark Stephen Mr

RE: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Mark Stephen Mrotek]

Paolo,

 

Thank you.

 

Mark

 

From: Paolo Prete  
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2024 1:08 PM
To: Mark Stephen Mrotek ; lilypond-user 

Subject: Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

 

You'll find all you need at the main page:

 

https://github.com/paopre/Spontini

 

Cheers

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 10:04 PM Mark Stephen Mrotek mailto:carsonm...@ca.rr.com> > wrote:

Paolo,

 

Installation instructions?
Learning/notation manual?

I want to try it.

 

Mark

 

From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org 
<mailto:ca.rr@gnu.org>  mailto:ca.rr@gnu.org> > On Behalf Of Paolo Prete
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2024 12:58 PM
To: Dirck Nagy mailto:dn...@uwlax.edu> >; lilypond-user 
mailto:lilypond-user@gnu.org> >
Subject: Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

 

FYI I just made a new release of Spontini editor, with the most recent changes 
(most notably: support for recent Lilypond versions)

As mentioned before, I don't own a  MacOS, but the HUGE implemented CI/CD 
should avoid bad surprises. When I say "huge", I mean it.

I always hope that someone decides to host the application, so that it provides 
the same service that LilyBin previously offered.

Please note that you don't have to install anything. Nor the editor, nor 
LilyPond, and you can switch between multiple LilyPond versions.

Anyway, I'm currently the only developer and maintainer of the software, and I 
need collaboration (most notably for testing). Without it, I'm forced to mark 
my releases as "alfa"  (but it should work...)

 

https://github.com/paopre/Spontini/releases/tag/1.23_alfa

 

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 12:56 PM Paolo Prete mailto:paolopr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 6:45 AM Dirck Nagy mailto:dn...@uwlax.edu> > wrote:

Hi all

 

Reading that last thread about Frescobaldi and its possible disappearance from 
Mac is causing me to panic. Jean, I did not realize that you were the last 
person to seriously work on Frescobaldi / Mac.

 

I use Mac exclusively, and Frescobaldi / Lilypond is very important to me. 

 

FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:

 

*   Templates and wizards
*   Snippets
*   Point and Click selection
*   Syntax highlighting

 

If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives for a 
Lilypond editor?

 

 

Hi,

 

Although https://github.com/paopre/Spontini is focused on _very different_ 
tasks than Frescobaldi, it has the features you just mentioned (they are 
exposed in a somewhat different way, but they should work), including code 
completion

I could not extensively test it in the past months, nor I own a Mac, but thanks 
to CI/CD it should work on newer versions.

I'm planning to make a new release in the next few weeks.

Also, at the moment there are no active contributors for it. Therefore, any 
help is really appreciated...

 

 

Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Paolo Prete]

You'll find all you need at the main page:

https://github.com/paopre/Spontini

Cheers

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 10:04 PM Mark Stephen Mrotek 
wrote:

> Paolo,
>
>
>
> Installation instructions?
> Learning/notation manual?
>
> I want to try it.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> *From:* lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org
>  *On Behalf Of *Paolo
> Prete
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2024 12:58 PM
> *To:* Dirck Nagy ; lilypond-user 
> *Subject:* Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?
>
>
>
> FYI I just made a new release of Spontini editor, with the most recent
> changes (most notably: support for recent Lilypond versions)
>
> As mentioned before, I don't own a  MacOS, but the HUGE implemented CI/CD
> should avoid bad surprises. When I say "huge", I mean it.
>
> I always hope that someone decides to host the application, so that it
> provides the same service that LilyBin previously offered.
>
> Please note that you don't have to install anything. Nor the editor, nor
> LilyPond, and you can switch between multiple LilyPond versions.
>
> Anyway, I'm currently the only developer and maintainer of the software,
> and I need collaboration (most notably for testing). Without it, I'm forced
> to mark my releases as "alfa"  (but it should work...)
>
>
>
> https://github.com/paopre/Spontini/releases/tag/1.23_alfa
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 12:56 PM Paolo Prete  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 6:45 AM Dirck Nagy  wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
>
>
> Reading that last thread about Frescobaldi and its possible disappearance
> from Mac is causing me to panic. Jean, I did not realize that you were the
> last person to seriously work on Frescobaldi / Mac.
>
>
>
> I use Mac exclusively, and Frescobaldi / Lilypond is very important to me.
>
>
>
> FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:
>
>
>
>- Templates and wizards
>- Snippets
>- Point and Click selection
>- Syntax highlighting
>
>
>
> If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives for a
> Lilypond editor?
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Although https://github.com/paopre/Spontini is focused on _very
> different_ tasks than Frescobaldi, it has the features you just mentioned
> (they are exposed in a somewhat different way, but they should work),
> including code completion
>
> I could not extensively test it in the past months, nor I own a Mac, but
> thanks to CI/CD it should work on newer versions.
>
> I'm planning to make a new release in the next few weeks.
>
> Also, at the moment there are no active contributors for it. Therefore,
> any help is really appreciated...
>
>
>
>
>
>

RE: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Mark Stephen Mrotek]

Paolo,

 

Installation instructions?
Learning/notation manual?

I want to try it.

 

Mark

 

From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org 
 On Behalf Of Paolo Prete
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2024 12:58 PM
To: Dirck Nagy ; lilypond-user 
Subject: Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

 

FYI I just made a new release of Spontini editor, with the most recent changes 
(most notably: support for recent Lilypond versions)

As mentioned before, I don't own a  MacOS, but the HUGE implemented CI/CD 
should avoid bad surprises. When I say "huge", I mean it.

I always hope that someone decides to host the application, so that it provides 
the same service that LilyBin previously offered.

Please note that you don't have to install anything. Nor the editor, nor 
LilyPond, and you can switch between multiple LilyPond versions.

Anyway, I'm currently the only developer and maintainer of the software, and I 
need collaboration (most notably for testing). Without it, I'm forced to mark 
my releases as "alfa"  (but it should work...)

 

https://github.com/paopre/Spontini/releases/tag/1.23_alfa

 

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 12:56 PM Paolo Prete mailto:paolopr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 6:45 AM Dirck Nagy mailto:dn...@uwlax.edu> > wrote:

Hi all

 

Reading that last thread about Frescobaldi and its possible disappearance from 
Mac is causing me to panic. Jean, I did not realize that you were the last 
person to seriously work on Frescobaldi / Mac.

 

I use Mac exclusively, and Frescobaldi / Lilypond is very important to me. 

 

FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:

 

*   Templates and wizards
*   Snippets
*   Point and Click selection
*   Syntax highlighting

 

If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives for a 
Lilypond editor?

 

 

Hi,

 

Although https://github.com/paopre/Spontini is focused on _very different_ 
tasks than Frescobaldi, it has the features you just mentioned (they are 
exposed in a somewhat different way, but they should work), including code 
completion

I could not extensively test it in the past months, nor I own a Mac, but thanks 
to CI/CD it should work on newer versions.

I'm planning to make a new release in the next few weeks.

Also, at the moment there are no active contributors for it. Therefore, any 
help is really appreciated...

 

 

Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Paolo Prete]

FYI I just made a new release of Spontini editor, with the most recent
changes (most notably: support for recent Lilypond versions)
As mentioned before, I don't own a  MacOS, but the HUGE implemented CI/CD
should avoid bad surprises. When I say "huge", I mean it.
I always hope that someone decides to host the application, so that it
provides the same service that LilyBin previously offered.
Please note that you don't have to install anything. Nor the editor, nor
LilyPond, and you can switch between multiple LilyPond versions.
Anyway, I'm currently the only developer and maintainer of the software,
and I need collaboration (most notably for testing). Without it, I'm forced
to mark my releases as "alfa"  (but it should work...)

https://github.com/paopre/Spontini/releases/tag/1.23_alfa


On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 12:56 PM Paolo Prete  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 6:45 AM Dirck Nagy  wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Reading that last thread about Frescobaldi and its possible disappearance
>> from Mac is causing me to panic. Jean, I did not realize that you were the
>> last person to seriously work on Frescobaldi / Mac.
>>
>>
>> I use Mac exclusively, and Frescobaldi / Lilypond is very important to
>> me.
>>
>>
>> FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:
>>
>>
>>
>>-
>>
>>Templates and wizards
>>-
>>
>>Snippets
>>-
>>
>>Point and Click selection
>>-
>>
>>Syntax highlighting
>>
>>
>> If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives for a
>> Lilypond editor?
>>
>>
>>
> Hi,
>
> Although https://github.com/paopre/Spontini is focused on _very
> different_ tasks than Frescobaldi, it has the features you just mentioned
> (they are exposed in a somewhat different way, but they should work),
> including code completion
> I could not extensively test it in the past months, nor I own a Mac, but
> thanks to CI/CD it should work on newer versions.
> I'm planning to make a new release in the next few weeks.
> Also, at the moment there are no active contributors for it. Therefore,
> any help is really appreciated...
>
>
>

Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Aaron Hill]

On 2024-04-30 10:05 am, Karlin High wrote:

On 4/30/2024 10:25 AM, Jennifer Doering wrote:
What happened to the Frescobaldi dev? Just doesn't have time to 
maintain it anymore?


Link to past discussion:



His software development activity appears reduced after a health crisis 
in 2021.



Can relate to that.  Had open heart surgery myself last year and still 
recovering, in and out of hospital.  Wishing all the best to him and his 
family.



-- Aaron Hill

Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Karlin High]

On 4/30/2024 10:25 AM, Jennifer Doering wrote:
What happened to the Frescobaldi dev? Just doesn't have time to maintain 
it anymore?


Link to past discussion:



His software development activity appears reduced after a health crisis 
in 2021.

--
Karlin High
Missouri, USA

Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Jennifer Doering]

What happened to the Frescobaldi dev? Just doesn't have time to maintain it
anymore?

Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Hajo Baess]

Hi all,

There are various alternatives around at least for Linux users, but
there will certainly be different ones available for the Mac users as
well. And who knows: maybe Frescobaldi will survive after all. And if
it may stop working one day, it is good to know that at least you are
not completely left in the wild. 

I have checked out the following ones for Linux:
1. Spontini (not so known maybe, but definitely worth a try)
2. Kate/Okular as a "team" with one-way point-and-click from Okular to
Kate
3. Visual Studio Code with its LilyPond plugins/extensions

All three are not exactly like Frescobaldi, but can certainly amply be
adapted to individual needs into a good workspace.

And then, of course, there is also lilypond-book, which I personally
find a bit complicated - at least when you come from Frescobaldi.
Steeper learning curve, but not impossible if you are determined and
open to something new.

So: don't panic (do not forget the towel either) and let us keep using
Frescobaldi and enjoy as long as it will exist...

Am Dienstag, dem 30.04.2024 um 12:56 +0200 schrieb Paolo Prete:
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 6:45 AM Dirck Nagy  wrote:
> 
> > Hi all
> > 
> > Reading that last thread about Frescobaldi and its possible
> > disappearance
> > from Mac is causing me to panic. Jean, I did not realize that you
> > were the
> > last person to seriously work on Frescobaldi / Mac.
> > 
> > 
> > I use Mac exclusively, and Frescobaldi / Lilypond is very important
> > to me.
> > 
> > 
> > FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >    -
> > 
> >    Templates and wizards
> >    -
> > 
> >    Snippets
> >    -
> > 
> >    Point and Click selection
> >    -
> > 
> >    Syntax highlighting
> > 
> > 
> > If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives
> > for a
> > Lilypond editor?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> Hi,
> 
> Although https://github.com/paopre/Spontini is focused on _very
> different_
> tasks than Frescobaldi, it has the features you just mentioned (they
> are
> exposed in a somewhat different way, but they should work), including
> code
> completion
> I could not extensively test it in the past months, nor I own a Mac,
> but
> thanks to CI/CD it should work on newer versions.
> I'm planning to make a new release in the next few weeks.
> Also, at the moment there are no active contributors for it.
> Therefore, any
> help is really appreciated...

Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Paolo Prete]

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 6:45 AM Dirck Nagy  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Reading that last thread about Frescobaldi and its possible disappearance
> from Mac is causing me to panic. Jean, I did not realize that you were the
> last person to seriously work on Frescobaldi / Mac.
>
>
> I use Mac exclusively, and Frescobaldi / Lilypond is very important to me.
>
>
> FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:
>
>
>
>-
>
>Templates and wizards
>-
>
>Snippets
>-
>
>Point and Click selection
>-
>
>Syntax highlighting
>
>
> If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives for a
> Lilypond editor?
>
>
>
Hi,

Although https://github.com/paopre/Spontini is focused on _very different_
tasks than Frescobaldi, it has the features you just mentioned (they are
exposed in a somewhat different way, but they should work), including code
completion
I could not extensively test it in the past months, nor I own a Mac, but
thanks to CI/CD it should work on newer versions.
I'm planning to make a new release in the next few weeks.
Also, at the moment there are no active contributors for it. Therefore, any
help is really appreciated...

Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Robert Garrigos]

VS Code also provide point and click. Snippets and wizards are tipical features 
for any other programming language in VS Code. It should not be too difficult 
to write them for lilypond.

I understand that it can be difficult to find the developers and mantainers to 
keep Frescobaldi runnig, but not so difficult to implement such features in VS 
Code, I believe. That would be my case, for instamve, and provably other it 
could be the same fornother people: I develope with VS Code and participate in 
other communities and I might help on developing the lilypond plugins, but I 
don't have enough knowledge to develope Frescobaldi.

⁣Robert

On 30 d’abr. de 2024, 8:11, at 8:11, Jean Abou Samra  wrote:
>
>> FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:
>>
>>  * Templates and wizards
>>  * Snippets
>>  * Point and Click selection
>>  * Syntax highlighting
>>
>> If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives
>for a
>> Lilypond editor?
>
>Syntax highlighting should be doable in Emacs, VS Code or such. Point
>and click
>can be arranged with various PDF viewers (see the LilyPond Usage
>manual).
>The other two only exist in Frescobaldi AFAIK.
>
>> Also, how can I help? (I'm not a programmer at all...) 
>
>
>Thanks, but you cannot really help in a way meaningful for the current
>issues without programming knowledge.
>
>Also, for the record, Frescobaldi needs developers, but perhaps
>even more importantly, it needs maintainers, i.e., people who will
>not just work on a technical problem because they were told
>it's important, but also proactively and autonomously respond
>to GitHub issues and support questions, update the website,
>figure out what parts of the code need regular maintenance like
>lists of LilyPond commands and maintain them, monitor the
>frescobaldi package in major Linux distros, and so on.
>Unfortunately, it can be really hard to find maintainers (even for
>projects that the entire world infrastructure relies on, cf. xz…).
>
>Best,
>Jean

Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Jean Abou Samra]

> FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:
> 
>  * Templates and wizards
>  * Snippets
>  * Point and Click selection
>  * Syntax highlighting
> 
> If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives for a
> Lilypond editor?

Syntax highlighting should be doable in Emacs, VS Code or such. Point and click
can be arranged with various PDF viewers (see the LilyPond Usage manual).
The other two only exist in Frescobaldi AFAIK.

> Also, how can I help? (I'm not a programmer at all...) 


Thanks, but you cannot really help in a way meaningful for the current
issues without programming knowledge.

Also, for the record, Frescobaldi needs developers, but perhaps
even more importantly, it needs maintainers, i.e., people who will
not just work on a technical problem because they were told
it's important, but also proactively and autonomously respond
to GitHub issues and support questions, update the website,
figure out what parts of the code need regular maintenance like
lists of LilyPond commands and maintain them, monitor the
frescobaldi package in major Linux distros, and so on.
Unfortunately, it can be really hard to find maintainers (even for
projects that the entire world infrastructure relies on, cf. xz…).

Best,
Jean



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Re: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Werner LEMBERG]

> With not too much work, you could get emacs to do all of that I
> think.

Well, it would be great if someone could convert the LilyPond mode of
Emacs so that it uses the new 'tree-sitter' interface:

  https://tree-sitter.github.io/tree-sitter/

(look at the 'Playground' link to get a feeling what this tool is good
for).  This would allow seamless support of both Scheme and LilyPond
syntax simultaneously...

While there already is tree-sitter syntax support for Scheme
(https://github.com/6cdh/tree-sitter-scheme, including some Guile
extensions), no such thing exists yet for LilyPond syntax, which makes
the conversion a larger undertaking, unfortunately.


Werner

Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Ben Bradshaw]

With not too much work, you could get emacs to do all of that I think. But
my guess is that there's no reason to panic yet. I don't see frescobaldi
magically disappearing.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 10:45 PM Dirck Nagy  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Reading that last thread about Frescobaldi and its possible disappearance
> from Mac is causing me to panic. Jean, I did not realize that you were the
> last person to seriously work on Frescobaldi / Mac.
>
>
> I use Mac exclusively, and Frescobaldi / Lilypond is very important to me.
>
>
> FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:
>
>
>
>-
>
>Templates and wizards
>-
>
>Snippets
>-
>
>Point and Click selection
>-
>
>Syntax highlighting
>
>
> If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives for a
> Lilypond editor?
>
>
> Also, how can I help? (I'm not a programmer at all...)
>
>
> Peace! and thank you for all your work!
>
>
> Dirck
>

Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Dirck Nagy]

Hi all

Reading that last thread about Frescobaldi and its possible disappearance from 
Mac is causing me to panic. Jean, I did not realize that you were the last 
person to seriously work on Frescobaldi / Mac.


I use Mac exclusively, and Frescobaldi / Lilypond is very important to me.


FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:


  *   Templates and wizards

  *   Snippets

  *   Point and Click selection

  *   Syntax highlighting


If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives for a 
Lilypond editor?


Also, how can I help? (I'm not a programmer at all...)


Peace! and thank you for all your work!


Dirck