Re: Multiple tempos at the same time and midi playback?
Sorry - email got cut! Thanks DJF for your detailed example... I really appreciate it. Yes I am very new to LilyPond and still reading the latter parts of the user manuals. But from what you say, it seems like at least visually LilyPond can accomplish a score with different metronome marks for each instrument - and that is a great starting point for me! By the way, what GUI would you suggest me to use where I can type in the sourcecode and listen to playback without compiling a midi file each time? For the simultaneous midi playback of different metronomes, if (whichever) GUI you suggest to me is an open source progect, then I could try with the help of an experienced programmer to code an option for simultaneous tempi playback. It's been three years since I wrote my last piece for orchestra (using Sibelius) which is no longer accessible for the blind. And out of frustration from not being able to compose since, I started developing a new accessible notation software that did support simultaneous tempi playback. Unfortunately just when things were getting hot my programmer walked out on me. So that's how I thankfully discovered LilyPond which might be a solution for me. But at least from that experience I know that (some way or another) simultaneous playback of different tempi can be possible. Thank you very much again people, and any other suggestion/ tip is super appreciated! Best day, Yakir On 12/14/18, Yakir Arbib wrote: > Hi All, > > Thank you very much for your help and suggestions! > > On 12/14/18, Carl Sorensen wrote: >> >> >> On 12/13/18, 5:33 AM, "Yakir Arbib" wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> My name is Yakir and I'm a pianist / composer based in Paris. >> >> I am very new to LilyPond, so please pardon me if my question is >> annoying or redundant. >> >> I write modern classical music in which each instrument has its' own >> separate tempo. My question is, do you think it's possible to write >> something like that in LilyPond using separate tempo commands for >> each >> staff? >> >> I'm pretty sure you will not be able to accomplish this easily in >> LilyPond. >> It is probably possible by using scaled durations. >> >> Lilypond's basic timing is done in beats. Beats are grouped into >> measures. >> The timing is not done in seconds, or minutes. >> >> So if you want to have one staff at 4/4 and a tempo of 60, with another >> staff at 4/4 and a tempo of 120, you'll probably need to scale the >> durations >> of all the notes in the 120 staff by two, and probably fake the time >> signature (that is, set the time signature to say, 4/2 but display it as >> 4/4). And when you do that, you'll need to reset the beaming rules. >> >> So I think it's doable, but not easily. >> >> HTH, >> >> Carl >> >> >> > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Multiple tempos at the same time and midi playback?
Hi All, Thank you very much for your help and suggestions! On 12/14/18, Carl Sorensen wrote: > > > On 12/13/18, 5:33 AM, "Yakir Arbib" wrote: > > Hi All, > > > My name is Yakir and I'm a pianist / composer based in Paris. > > I am very new to LilyPond, so please pardon me if my question is > annoying or redundant. > > I write modern classical music in which each instrument has its' own > separate tempo. My question is, do you think it's possible to write > something like that in LilyPond using separate tempo commands for each > staff? > > I'm pretty sure you will not be able to accomplish this easily in LilyPond. > It is probably possible by using scaled durations. > > Lilypond's basic timing is done in beats. Beats are grouped into measures. > The timing is not done in seconds, or minutes. > > So if you want to have one staff at 4/4 and a tempo of 60, with another > staff at 4/4 and a tempo of 120, you'll probably need to scale the durations > of all the notes in the 120 staff by two, and probably fake the time > signature (that is, set the time signature to say, 4/2 but display it as > 4/4). And when you do that, you'll need to reset the beaming rules. > > So I think it's doable, but not easily. > > HTH, > > Carl > > > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Multiple tempos at the same time and midi playback?
On 12/13/18, 5:33 AM, "Yakir Arbib" wrote: Hi All, My name is Yakir and I'm a pianist / composer based in Paris. I am very new to LilyPond, so please pardon me if my question is annoying or redundant. I write modern classical music in which each instrument has its' own separate tempo. My question is, do you think it's possible to write something like that in LilyPond using separate tempo commands for each staff? I'm pretty sure you will not be able to accomplish this easily in LilyPond. It is probably possible by using scaled durations. Lilypond's basic timing is done in beats. Beats are grouped into measures. The timing is not done in seconds, or minutes. So if you want to have one staff at 4/4 and a tempo of 60, with another staff at 4/4 and a tempo of 120, you'll probably need to scale the durations of all the notes in the 120 staff by two, and probably fake the time signature (that is, set the time signature to say, 4/2 but display it as 4/4). And when you do that, you'll need to reset the beaming rules. So I think it's doable, but not easily. HTH, Carl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Multiple tempos at the same time and midi playback?
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> From: DJF
> To: Yakir Arbib
> Cc: lilypond-user Mailinglist
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 15:33:25 -0500
> Subject: Re: Multiple tempos at the same time and midi playback?
> On Dec 13, 2018, at 7:33 AM, Yakir Arbib wrote:
> >
> > I write modern classical music in which each instrument has its' own
> > separate tempo. My question is, do you think it's possible to write
> > something like that in LilyPond using separate tempo commands for each
> > staff?
> >
>
> To get a separate tempo marking in each staff, you would, in a \layout
> block, remove the Metronome_mark_engraver from the Score level, and add it
> to the Staff level. Because you’re new to LilyPond, I’ve attached a little
> longer and more complete example than usual and also included its contents
> below.
>
> I would hasten to add that this is a visual fix only—the various tempi
> will not be rendered in MIDI playback. If you add a \midi { } line at the
> end of the \score block, it will use the last metronome mark (in the
> example below, 4 = 110) as its tempo for all the parts. Someone more
> knowledgable than I will have to tell you if it's even possible to get
> separate tempi rendered simultaneously. I suspect not.
>
> I hope this is helpful.
>
> Dan
>
I would suggest trying to export each part as a separate file, then import
them individually into your DAW.
\book {
\bookOutputSuffix "violin"
\score {
\violinPart
\midi { }
}
}
\book {
\bookOutputSuffix "viola"
\score {
\violaPart
\midi { }
}
}
\book {
\bookOutputSuffix "cello"
\score {
\celloPart
\midi { }
}
}
\book {
\bookOutputSuffix "contrabass"
\score {
\contrabassPart
\midi { }
}
}
HTH,
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Re: Multiple tempos at the same time and midi playback?
On Dec 13, 2018, at 7:33 AM, Yakir Arbib wrote:
>
> I write modern classical music in which each instrument has its' own
> separate tempo. My question is, do you think it's possible to write
> something like that in LilyPond using separate tempo commands for each
> staff?
>
To get a separate tempo marking in each staff, you would, in a \layout block,
remove the Metronome_mark_engraver from the Score level, and add it to the
Staff level. Because you’re new to LilyPond, I’ve attached a little longer and
more complete example than usual and also included its contents below.
I would hasten to add that this is a visual fix only—the various tempi will not
be rendered in MIDI playback. If you add a \midi { } line at the end of the
\score block, it will use the last metronome mark (in the example below, 4 =
110) as its tempo for all the parts. Someone more knowledgable than I will have
to tell you if it's even possible to get separate tempi rendered
simultaneously. I suspect not.
I hope this is helpful.
Dan
%
\version "2.19.80"
\layout {
\context {
\Staff
\consists "Metronome_mark_engraver"
}
\context {
\Score
\remove "Metronome_mark_engraver"
}
}
violin = \relative c'' {
\key c \major
\time 4/4
\tempo 4 = 90
a4 a a a
}
viola = \relative c' {
\tempo 4 = 60
a4 a a a
}
cello = \relative c {
\tempo 4 = 120
a4 a a a
}
contrabass = \relative c {
\tempo 4 = 110
a4 a a a
}
violinPart = \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Violin"
} \violin
violaPart = \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Viola"
} { \clef alto \viola }
celloPart = \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Cello"
} { \clef bass \cello }
contrabassPart = \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Contrabass"
} { \clef bass \contrabass }
\score {
<<
\violinPart
\violaPart
\celloPart
\contrabassPart
>>
}
%
tempo test.ly
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Re: Multiple tempos at the same time and midi playback?
> On 13 Dec 2018, at 19:30, Yakir Arbib wrote: > > Thanks a lot for your reply! Unfortunately since the example is in an > image, and not a text, I cannot see it (or read it with my screan > reader). Is there a way to get the source code for the example you > mentioned? In addition to clicking on the image, just change the "Item" in the URL [1] to "Snippet", as in [2]. 1. http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=344 2. http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Snippet?id=344 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Multiple tempos at the same time and midi playback?
On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:30:16 +0100, Yakir Arbib wrote: > Thanks a lot for your reply! Unfortunately since the example is in an > image, and not a text, When you click on the image, you see the lilypond source. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Multiple tempos at the same time and midi playback?
Hi Paolo, Thanks a lot for your reply! Unfortunately since the example is in an image, and not a text, I cannot see it (or read it with my screan reader). Is there a way to get the source code for the example you mentioned? Also, I think they are talking about different time signatures (3/3, 4/4 etc) where as I am trying to write different metronome marks for each instrument. I don't know, maybe it's the same with metronome markings as with time signitures with Lilypond? Thanks a lot for the help again! Yakir On 12/13/18, Paolo Cantamessa wrote: > Hello Yakir, > welcome an Lilypond user. > > Take look here this snippet: http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=344 > > It is very simple. > > All the best. > > Paolo > > Il gio 13 dic 2018, 14:34 Yakir Arbib ha scritto: > >> Hi All, >> >> >> My name is Yakir and I'm a pianist / composer based in Paris. >> >> I am very new to LilyPond, so please pardon me if my question is >> annoying or redundant. >> >> I write modern classical music in which each instrument has its' own >> separate tempo. My question is, do you think it's possible to write >> something like that in LilyPond using separate tempo commands for each >> staff? >> >> My second question is, do you know of any GUI or outside software >> (such as Frescobaldi) where I could type Lilypond code and listen to >> the midi playback from any point in the score when I want without >> having to compile the file each time? >> >> * I am visually impaired and use a screan reader to work, so please >> suggest a program where I can actually type the code (not manipulate >> the notes graphically) and listen to midi by a simple command? >> >> Thank you very very much for your time and help! >> >> All my best, >> >> Yakir >> >> Yakir Arbib >> >> Http://www.yakirarbib.com/ >> Http://www.facebook.com/yakirarbib >> >> ___ >> lilypond-user mailing list >> lilypond-user@gnu.org >> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user >> > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Multiple tempos at the same time and midi playback?
Hello Yakir, welcome an Lilypond user. Take look here this snippet: http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=344 It is very simple. All the best. Paolo Il gio 13 dic 2018, 14:34 Yakir Arbib ha scritto: > Hi All, > > > My name is Yakir and I'm a pianist / composer based in Paris. > > I am very new to LilyPond, so please pardon me if my question is > annoying or redundant. > > I write modern classical music in which each instrument has its' own > separate tempo. My question is, do you think it's possible to write > something like that in LilyPond using separate tempo commands for each > staff? > > My second question is, do you know of any GUI or outside software > (such as Frescobaldi) where I could type Lilypond code and listen to > the midi playback from any point in the score when I want without > having to compile the file each time? > > * I am visually impaired and use a screan reader to work, so please > suggest a program where I can actually type the code (not manipulate > the notes graphically) and listen to midi by a simple command? > > Thank you very very much for your time and help! > > All my best, > > Yakir > > Yakir Arbib > > Http://www.yakirarbib.com/ > Http://www.facebook.com/yakirarbib > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Multiple tempos at the same time and midi playback?
Hi All, My name is Yakir and I'm a pianist / composer based in Paris. I am very new to LilyPond, so please pardon me if my question is annoying or redundant. I write modern classical music in which each instrument has its' own separate tempo. My question is, do you think it's possible to write something like that in LilyPond using separate tempo commands for each staff? My second question is, do you know of any GUI or outside software (such as Frescobaldi) where I could type Lilypond code and listen to the midi playback from any point in the score when I want without having to compile the file each time? * I am visually impaired and use a screan reader to work, so please suggest a program where I can actually type the code (not manipulate the notes graphically) and listen to midi by a simple command? Thank you very very much for your time and help! All my best, Yakir Yakir Arbib Http://www.yakirarbib.com/ Http://www.facebook.com/yakirarbib ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
