Re: An exciting new release… of Sibelius!!!

[David Kastrup]

Simon Albrecht  writes:

> Let's be honest, they really had to get their stuff together to keep
> any ground all against Dorico.

I think they may still have the higher ground.  But Dorico is moving
much faster.

LilyPond is like Switzerland.  High ground, but nobody goes there.

-- 
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Re: Re: An exciting new release… of Sibelius!!!

[Simon Albrecht]

Let's be honest, they really had to get their stuff together to keep any ground 
all against Dorico.

Best, Simon

> On 27.03.2020 - 15:26, Shane Brandes wrote:
>
>
> They are really on the ball on that one. 
> 
> 
> -Shane
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:09 AM Valentin Villenave  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody,
> I know it’s off-topic but I wanted to share the news because, let’s be
> honest, nobody in their right mind would want to miss it:
> Yes!  It’s finally here!  The latest and brightest version of Sibelius
> is out…  *And* it offers one particularly exciting, exclusive new
> feature:
> https://is.gd/x16C0B
> 
> … Oh wait, that’s the wrong link.  There you go:
> https://is.gd/ussdKG
> 
> Seriously guys, how cool is that??
> 
> Cheers,
> V.

Re: An exciting new release… of Sibelius!!!

[David Kastrup]

Torsten Hämmerle  writes:

> Very nice.
>
> But I'm a bit disappointed that, obviously, there's still no solution for
> the long-standing issue "tuplets across bar lines", which has never been a
> problem for LilyPond, but Sibelius/Finale still can't handle this without
> trickery and tweaking.
>
> No need for glee, but, from time to time, it can be quite interesting to
> compare LilyPond to "professional" (i.e. commercial) software.

Sometimes it is hard to compare.  "Features" are often the outcome of
the architecture making something easy or hard or a fudgearound.  You
can increase their number by just investing more work against bad odds.

There has been quite a bit of tweaking added to LilyPond in recent years
and ways to make it more comfortable to end users, but the naked
"feature" sheet has not seen a lot of growth.

What is and what is not and what is well and not well supported is a
really complex landscape with music typesetting software.  As a
decision-maker, it's a so-so thing.

I'd expect Dorico to catch up eventually featurewise: it has the
advantage of being architectured by a team where several core members
had years of experience with the kind of thing causing problems in
Sibelius.

The main problem for me is that all that is sort-of shoulder-shrug
material.  For me the main incentive for using LilyPond is its
text-based input.  Checking off feature lists is comparatively
unimportant for me.  I'd expect this kind of choice to be similarly
orthogonal to feature sets for those deciding against using LilyPond
because of its text-based input.

-- 
David Kastrup

Re: An exciting new release… of Sibelius!!!

[Torsten Hämmerle]

Very nice.

But I'm a bit disappointed that, obviously, there's still no solution for
the long-standing issue "tuplets across bar lines", which has never been a
problem for LilyPond, but Sibelius/Finale still can't handle this without
trickery and tweaking.

No need for glee, but, from time to time, it can be quite interesting to
compare LilyPond to "professional" (i.e. commercial) software.

Cheers,
Torsten





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Re: An exciting new release… of Sibelius!!!

[Aaron Hill]

On 2020-03-27 7:08 am, Valentin Villenave wrote:

Hi everybody,
I know it’s off-topic but I wanted to share the news because, let’s be
honest, nobody in their right mind would want to miss it:
Yes!  It’s finally here!  The latest and brightest version of Sibelius
is out…  *And* it offers one particularly exciting, exclusive new
feature:
https://is.gd/x16C0B

… Oh wait, that’s the wrong link.  There you go:
https://is.gd/ussdKG

Seriously guys, how cool is that??


I especially like how they show Dorico's approach which is to add LV 
directly as an item whereas Sibelius requires two actions: create a tie 
and then convert the tie to LV.  Mind you, since an LV looks similar to 
a tie, I can easily see the technical justification for their design; 
but semantically, LV does not mean the same thing as a tie.  So what do 
you do when you need an LV when there is no subsequent note to which to 
tie?  Do you have to create an invisible note, add a tie, and then 
convert to LV?  Or does Sibelius already allow you to have dangling 
ties, and this feature is just shortening the visual extent?



-- Aaron Hill

Re: An exciting new release… of Sibelius!!!

[Shane Brandes]

They are really on the ball on that one.

-Shane

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:09 AM Valentin Villenave 
wrote:

> Hi everybody,
> I know it’s off-topic but I wanted to share the news because, let’s be
> honest, nobody in their right mind would want to miss it:
> Yes!  It’s finally here!  The latest and brightest version of Sibelius
> is out…  *And* it offers one particularly exciting, exclusive new
> feature:
> https://is.gd/x16C0B
>
> … Oh wait, that’s the wrong link.  There you go:
> https://is.gd/ussdKG
>
> Seriously guys, how cool is that??
>
> Cheers,
> V.
>
>

An exciting new release… of Sibelius!!!

[Valentin Villenave]

Hi everybody,
I know it’s off-topic but I wanted to share the news because, let’s be
honest, nobody in their right mind would want to miss it:
Yes!  It’s finally here!  The latest and brightest version of Sibelius
is out…  *And* it offers one particularly exciting, exclusive new
feature:
https://is.gd/x16C0B

… Oh wait, that’s the wrong link.  There you go:
https://is.gd/ussdKG

Seriously guys, how cool is that??

Cheers,
V.

Re: New release

[Karlin High]

On 2/6/2020 10:03 AM, Federico Bruni wrote:

can you test this issue?
https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/4943/


Tested OK on a Mac.

Model Name: MacBook Air (11-inch, Mid 2012)
  Model Identifier: MacBookAir5,1
  Processor Name: Intel Core i5
  Processor Speed: 1.7 GHz
  Number of Processors: 1
  Total Number of Cores: 2
  L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
  L3 Cache: 3 MB
  Hyper-Threading Technology: Enabled
  Memory: 4 GB

System Version: macOS Mojave 10.14.6 (18G2022)
  Kernel Version: Darwin 18.7.0

./lilypond --version
GNU LilyPond 2.19.84

Processing `/Users/karlin/Downloads/AssertionFailing.ly'
Parsing...
Interpreting music...[8][16][24]
warning: omitting tuplet bracket with neither left nor right bound
[32][40][48][56][64][72]
Preprocessing graphical objects...
programming error: insane spring distance requested, ignoring it
continuing, cross fingers
programming error: insane spring min_distance requested, ignoring it
continuing, cross fingers
programming error: insane spring constant
continuing, cross fingers
programming error: insane spring distance requested, ignoring it
continuing, cross fingers
programming error: insane spring min_distance requested, ignoring it
continuing, cross fingers
programming error: insane spring constant
continuing, cross fingers
Finding the ideal number of pages...
Fitting music on 1 page...
Drawing systems...
Layout output to 
`/var/folders/yz/_lzzxl3s6873pn8kl0zr42ccgn/T//lilypond-4UuwYi'...

Converting to `AssertionFailing.pdf'...
Deleting 
`/var/folders/yz/_lzzxl3s6873pn8kl0zr42ccgn/T//lilypond-4UuwYi'...

Success: compilation successfully completed

--
Karlin High
Missouri, USA

Re: New release

[Knute Snortum]

Tested (lightly) on Windows 10 and Ubuntu 19.10.  Everything looks good!

---
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(via Gmail)


On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 10:53 AM Karlin High  wrote:

> On 2/6/2020 10:03 AM, Federico Bruni wrote:
> > can you test this issue?
> > https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/4943/
>
> Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Version 1909
>
> Downloaded AssertionFailing.ly from the given issue tracker link
>
> Ran convert-ly on it, it changed file to say \version "2.19.80"
>
> GNU LilyPond 2.19.84
> Processing `AssertionFailing.ly'
> Parsing...
> Interpreting music...[8][16][24]
> warning: omitting tuplet bracket with neither left nor right bound
> [32][40][48][56][64][72]
> Preprocessing graphical objects...
> programming error: insane spring distance requested, ignoring it
> continuing, cross fingers
> programming error: insane spring min_distance requested, ignoring it
> continuing, cross fingers
> programming error: insane spring constant
> continuing, cross fingers
> programming error: insane spring distance requested, ignoring it
> continuing, cross fingers
> programming error: insane spring min_distance requested, ignoring it
> continuing, cross fingers
> programming error: insane spring constant
> continuing, cross fingers
> Finding the ideal number of pages...
> Fitting music on 1 page...
> Drawing systems...
> Layout output to `./tmp-lilypond-MEs9cs'...
> Converting to `AssertionFailing.pdf'...
> Deleting `./tmp-lilypond-MEs9cs'...
> Success: compilation successfully completed
>
> Resulting PDF attached.
> --
> Karlin High
> Missouri, USA
>

Re: New release

[Urs Liska]

Am 6. Februar 2020 18:29:00 MEZ schrieb David Kastrup :
>Peter Toye  writes:
>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2020 17:57:20 +0100
>>> From: David Kastrup 
>>> To: Gianmaria Lari 
>>> Cc: Phil Holmes ,  LilyPond User Group
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: New release
>>> Message-ID: <87mu9vejrj@fencepost.gnu.org>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>
>>> Gianmaria Lari  writes:
>>
>>>> Hello Phil,
>>
>>>> I downloaded and I'm trying to install the windows version.
>>
>>>> Is it normal that 2.19.84 version tries to install itself it in the
>old
>>>> folder "LilyPond2.19.83"?
>>
>>>> Have a look to the attached screenshot.
>>
>>> I suspect that it just tries installing into
>>> the same directory that you
>>> directed it to install to with the last
>>> invocation.  That this contains
>>> a version string is not detected.  It would
>>> likely be an interesting
>>> change to the installer to search for such
>>> patterns and replace them,
>>> but since the installer is not generic to LilyPond but a
>>> Windows-specific GUB component, that change
>>> would likely require some
>>> knowledgable surgery.  Alternatively I am not
>>> sure whether Frescobaldi
>>> does not offer a means to download and install LilyPond versions.
>>
>> I've just had a quick look at Frescobaldi and can't see anything on
>> its menus which implies that you can install Lilypond. Unless it's
>> well hidden.
>
>I think you are right; at least I cannot find anything like that in
>3.0.0.  I thought that this was being discussed at some time, but I
>don't know what the conclusion or any resulting action was.

The conclusion was that this feature request was moved to the top of our 
backlog, and it will probably included in a Frescobaldi 3.2 release  whenever 
that happens.

Urs

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Re: New release

[Karlin High]

On 2/6/2020 10:03 AM, Federico Bruni wrote:

can you test this issue?
https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/4943/


Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Version 1909

Downloaded AssertionFailing.ly from the given issue tracker link

Ran convert-ly on it, it changed file to say \version "2.19.80"

GNU LilyPond 2.19.84
Processing `AssertionFailing.ly'
Parsing...
Interpreting music...[8][16][24]
warning: omitting tuplet bracket with neither left nor right bound
[32][40][48][56][64][72]
Preprocessing graphical objects...
programming error: insane spring distance requested, ignoring it
continuing, cross fingers
programming error: insane spring min_distance requested, ignoring it
continuing, cross fingers
programming error: insane spring constant
continuing, cross fingers
programming error: insane spring distance requested, ignoring it
continuing, cross fingers
programming error: insane spring min_distance requested, ignoring it
continuing, cross fingers
programming error: insane spring constant
continuing, cross fingers
Finding the ideal number of pages...
Fitting music on 1 page...
Drawing systems...
Layout output to `./tmp-lilypond-MEs9cs'...
Converting to `AssertionFailing.pdf'...
Deleting `./tmp-lilypond-MEs9cs'...
Success: compilation successfully completed

Resulting PDF attached.
--
Karlin High
Missouri, USA


AssertionFailing.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document

RE: New release

[Mark Stephen Mrotek]

Phil,

Downloaded and installed on Windows 7.
Required removal of previous version.
New version number appears in "Snippets/Lilypond Version."

Mark

-Original Message-
From: lilypond-user
[mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of
Phil Holmes
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 3:35 AM
To: LilyPond User Group 
Subject: New release

We have just released LilyPond version 2.19.84.  We hope this will quickly
be followed by a new stable release, version 2.20.0.  Please download
2.19.84 and test it, to ensure it is stable enough to form the new stable
release.

Thank you.

--
Phil Holmes

Re: New release

[Peter Toye]

Thursday, February 6, 2020, 5:29:00 PM, David Kastrup wrote:

> Peter Toye  writes:

>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2020 17:57:20 +0100
>>> From: David Kastrup 
>>> To: Gianmaria Lari 
>>> Cc: Phil Holmes ,  LilyPond User Group
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: New release
>>> Message-ID: <87mu9vejrj@fencepost.gnu.org>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain

>>> Gianmaria Lari  writes:

>>>> Hello Phil,

>>>> I downloaded and I'm trying to install the windows version.

>>>> Is it normal that 2.19.84 version tries to install itself it in the old
>>>> folder "LilyPond2.19.83"?

>>>> Have a look to the attached screenshot.

>>> I suspect that it just tries installing into
>>> the same directory that you
>>> directed it to install to with the last
>>> invocation.  That this contains
>>> a version string is not detected.  It would
>>> likely be an interesting
>>> change to the installer to search for such
>>> patterns and replace them,
>>> but since the installer is not generic to LilyPond but a
>>> Windows-specific GUB component, that change
>>> would likely require some
>>> knowledgable surgery.  Alternatively I am not
>>> sure whether Frescobaldi
>>> does not offer a means to download and install LilyPond versions.

>> I've just had a quick look at Frescobaldi and can't see anything on
>> its menus which implies that you can install Lilypond. Unless it's
>> well hidden.

> I think you are right; at least I cannot find anything like that in
> 3.0.0.  I thought that this was being discussed at some time, but I
> don't know what the conclusion or any resulting action was.

I'm stll on 2.20.0

Peter

Re: New release

[Gianmaria Lari]

Ciao Federico, I would be very glad to help.

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 17:06, Federico Bruni  wrote:

> I'm installing on Windows 7 after cleaning a previous very old version.
> The default path is C:\Program Files (x86)\LilyPond
>

ok.


> Gianmaria, can you test this issue?
> https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/4943/
>

Sorry but never used Lilyissue. Do you need help for the

#4943 Manual page breaking causing assertion failure


or for the wrong installation path?

Re: New release

[David Kastrup]

Peter Toye  writes:

>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2020 17:57:20 +0100
>> From: David Kastrup 
>> To: Gianmaria Lari 
>> Cc: Phil Holmes ,  LilyPond User Group
>> 
>> Subject: Re: New release
>> Message-ID: <87mu9vejrj@fencepost.gnu.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain
>
>> Gianmaria Lari  writes:
>
>>> Hello Phil,
>
>>> I downloaded and I'm trying to install the windows version.
>
>>> Is it normal that 2.19.84 version tries to install itself it in the old
>>> folder "LilyPond2.19.83"?
>
>>> Have a look to the attached screenshot.
>
>> I suspect that it just tries installing into
>> the same directory that you
>> directed it to install to with the last
>> invocation.  That this contains
>> a version string is not detected.  It would
>> likely be an interesting
>> change to the installer to search for such
>> patterns and replace them,
>> but since the installer is not generic to LilyPond but a
>> Windows-specific GUB component, that change
>> would likely require some
>> knowledgable surgery.  Alternatively I am not
>> sure whether Frescobaldi
>> does not offer a means to download and install LilyPond versions.
>
> I've just had a quick look at Frescobaldi and can't see anything on
> its menus which implies that you can install Lilypond. Unless it's
> well hidden.

I think you are right; at least I cannot find anything like that in
3.0.0.  I thought that this was being discussed at some time, but I
don't know what the conclusion or any resulting action was.

-- 
David Kastrup

Re: New release

[Peter Toye]

> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2020 17:57:20 +0100
> From: David Kastrup 
> To: Gianmaria Lari 
> Cc: Phil Holmes ,  LilyPond User Group
>     
> Subject: Re: New release
> Message-ID: <87mu9vejrj@fencepost.gnu.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain

> Gianmaria Lari  writes:

>> Hello Phil,

>> I downloaded and I'm trying to install the windows version.

>> Is it normal that 2.19.84 version tries to install itself it in the old
>> folder "LilyPond2.19.83"?

>> Have a look to the attached screenshot.

> I suspect that it just tries installing into
> the same directory that you
> directed it to install to with the last
> invocation.  That this contains
> a version string is not detected.  It would
> likely be an interesting
> change to the installer to search for such
> patterns and replace them,
> but since the installer is not generic to LilyPond but a
> Windows-specific GUB component, that change
> would likely require some
> knowledgable surgery.  Alternatively I am not
> sure whether Frescobaldi
> does not offer a means to download and install LilyPond versions.

I've just had a quick look at Frescobaldi and can't see anything on its menus 
which implies that you can install Lilypond. Unless it's well hidden.

Peter

Re: New release

[David Kastrup]

Gianmaria Lari  writes:

> Hello Phil,
>
> I downloaded and I'm trying to install the windows version.
>
> Is it normal that 2.19.84 version tries to install itself it in the old
> folder "LilyPond2.19.83"?
>
> Have a look to the attached screenshot.

I suspect that it just tries installing into the same directory that you
directed it to install to with the last invocation.  That this contains
a version string is not detected.  It would likely be an interesting
change to the installer to search for such patterns and replace them,
but since the installer is not generic to LilyPond but a
Windows-specific GUB component, that change would likely require some
knowledgable surgery.  Alternatively I am not sure whether Frescobaldi
does not offer a means to download and install LilyPond versions.

-- 
David Kastrup

Re: New release

[Federico Bruni]

I'm installing on Windows 7 after cleaning a previous very old version.
The default path is C:\Program Files (x86)\LilyPond

Gianmaria, can you test this issue?


Il giorno gio 6 feb 2020 alle 15:02, Gianmaria Lari 
 ha scritto:

Hello Phil,

I downloaded and I'm trying to install the windows version.

Is it normal that 2.19.84 version tries to install itself it in the 
old folder "LilyPond2.19.83"?


Have a look to the attached screenshot.
Regards Gianmaria

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 14:40, Phil Holmes > wrote:
We have just released LilyPond version 2.19.84.  We hope this will 
quickly
 be followed by a new stable release, version 2.20.0.  Please 
download
 2.19.84 and test it, to ensure it is stable enough to form the new 
stable

 release.

 Thank you.

 --
 Phil Holmes

Re: New release

[Noeck]

Thanks a lot! I installed it and tested it on my scores.
Everything works as expected.

Joram

Re: New release

[Gianmaria Lari]

Hello Phil,

I downloaded and I'm trying to install the windows version.

Is it normal that 2.19.84 version tries to install itself it in the old
folder "LilyPond2.19.83"?

Have a look to the attached screenshot.
Regards Gianmaria

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 14:40, Phil Holmes  wrote:

> We have just released LilyPond version 2.19.84.  We hope this will quickly
> be followed by a new stable release, version 2.20.0.  Please download
> 2.19.84 and test it, to ensure it is stable enough to form the new stable
> release.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Phil Holmes
>
>
>
>

New release

[Phil Holmes]

We have just released LilyPond version 2.19.84.  We hope this will quickly 
be followed by a new stable release, version 2.20.0.  Please download 
2.19.84 and test it, to ensure it is stable enough to form the new stable 
release.


Thank you.

--
Phil Holmes

New release: GNU Solfege 1.3.3

[Tom Cato Amundsen]

Howdy,
I have put out a new release of Solfege. New is this release is a
installer that includes everything you need to run solfege on MS
Windows. The installer file is only 2MB, including python, gtk+, pygtk
and solfege, thanks to py2exe.

If you compile and run the program from the tarball, you need Python
2.1, older versions will not work.

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1465
ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/solfege/
-- 
Tom Cato Amundsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
GNU Solfege - free eartraining, http://www.gnu.org/software/solfege/


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