Re: Persian accidentals (koron and sori)
These look lovely to me, but I'm not a Persian music expert. Carl
Re: Persian accidentals (koron and sori)
> On 6 Dec 2021, at 15:49, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > https://w3c.github.io/smufl/latest/tables/persian-accidentals.html >>> >>> Yes, and it is soo ugly. >> >> It is best consulting some with traditional Persian sheet music. >> But the few ones I have seen tend to be hand drawn, not of very high >> quality, but similar. >> >> The accidentals were designed by Ali-Naqi Vaziri, and became popular >> for use in Persian sheet music. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali-Naqi_Vaziri > > I know, thanks. Here you can find some glyph examples > > https://corp.unicode.org/~roozbeh/sori-koron.pdf Your design is similar to the first scanned example, so perhaps it is OK to sync them with the standard accidentals then. Perhaps Adam Good has something to say (CC-ed).
Re: Persian accidentals (koron and sori)
> One comment: When looking at Fig. 11 in your PDF, two suggestions > came to my mind. The handwritten accidentials show some less sharp > edges because the ink is flowing in the inner angles of the glyph. > As you already take the liberty to match the style of classical > accidentials, how about avoiding some sharp inner angles by > > 1. filling the tiny white triangle in the sharp-like glyph (I am less >convinced) I won't do that – I trust that it happens automatically :-) > 2. making the right inner angle round (looks good to me) Mhmm, I don't like this, especially if the koron is positioned between staff lines. Additionally, Emmentaler doesn't use rounded corners in the inside of glyphs in general. However, I'm going to redesign this glyph soon to make it blend even better with Emmentaler. > I have two images attached where the additinal ink is painted in red > and in black. Thanks. By the way, here is a link that shows the two new glyphs at all available Emmentaler sizes: https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/uploads/b40d4d586ddb994f91be7c650d808833/iranian.pdf Werner
Re: Persian accidentals (koron and sori)
Dear Werner, I am all for it and know nothing about Persian music. One comment: When looking at Fig. 11 in your PDF, two suggestions came to my mind. The handwritten accidentials show some less sharp edges because the ink is flowing in the inner angles of the glyph. As you already take the liberty to match the style of classical accidentials, how about avoiding some sharp inner angles by 1. filling the tiny white triangle in the sharp-like glyph (I am less convinced) 2. making the right inner angle round (looks good to me) I have two images attached where the additinal ink is painted in red and in black. Of course, this is just a suggestion. Joram I know, thanks. Here you can find some glyph examples https://corp.unicode.org/~roozbeh/sori-koron.pdf Werner
Re: Persian accidentals (koron and sori)
>>> https://w3c.github.io/smufl/latest/tables/persian-accidentals.html >> >> Yes, and it is soo ugly. > > It is best consulting some with traditional Persian sheet music. > But the few ones I have seen tend to be hand drawn, not of very high > quality, but similar. > > The accidentals were designed by Ali-Naqi Vaziri, and became popular > for use in Persian sheet music. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali-Naqi_Vaziri I know, thanks. Here you can find some glyph examples https://corp.unicode.org/~roozbeh/sori-koron.pdf Werner
Re: Persian accidentals (koron and sori)
> On 6 Dec 2021, at 15:34, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > >>> In case there are experts on Persian music notation: please have a >>> look here >>> >>> https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/1047 >>> >>> and comment on the design. >> >> Here is how they look at SMuFL. Rather thin and of equal thickness, >> contrary to the standard accidentals. >> >> https://w3c.github.io/smufl/latest/tables/persian-accidentals.html > > Yes, and it is soo ugly. It is best consulting some with traditional Persian sheet music. But the few ones I have seen tend to be hand drawn, not of very high quality, but similar. The accidentals were designed by Ali-Naqi Vaziri, and became popular for use in Persian sheet music. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali-Naqi_Vaziri
Re: Persian accidentals (koron and sori)
>> In case there are experts on Persian music notation: please have a >> look here >> >> https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/1047 >> >> and comment on the design. > > Here is how they look at SMuFL. Rather thin and of equal thickness, > contrary to the standard accidentals. > > https://w3c.github.io/smufl/latest/tables/persian-accidentals.html Yes, and it is soo ugly. Werner
Re: Persian accidentals (koron and sori)
> On 6 Dec 2021, at 12:10, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > In case there are experts on Persian music notation: please have a > look here > > https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/1047 > > and comment on the design. Here is how they look at SMuFL. Rather thin and of equal thickness, contrary to the standard accidentals. https://w3c.github.io/smufl/latest/tables/persian-accidentals.html
Persian accidentals (koron and sori)
In case there are experts on Persian music notation: please have a look here https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/1047 and comment on the design. Werner
