Re: Fingering orientation question

[Jacques Menu]

> Le 5 déc. 2019 à 18:02, Mark Stephen Mrotek  a écrit :
> 
> Jacques,
> 
> You do not need to use chord notation and the \set command.
> Fingering down indicated by the _ (underscore), e.g., a,4_3, and the up 
> fingering by the ^ (carat), e.g., e^1
> The - (dash) is a neutral setting and Lilypond decides according to voice 
> number.

Thanks Mark, using ‘_’ alone is the easiest way for me!

JM

Re: Fingering orientation question

[Michael Rivers]

Are you looking for this?

\override Staff.Fingering.direction = #DOWN



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RE: Fingering orientation question

[Mark Stephen Mrotek]

Jacques,

Not to my knowledge/experience (I set 18th C Piano music).

Mark

-Original Message-
From: lilypond-user [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] 
On Behalf Of Jacques Menu
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2019 2:34 AM
To: Thomas Morley 
Cc: lilypond-user 
Subject: Re: Fingering orientation question

Thanks Thomas for the explanation and example!

>> Would it be reasonable and feasible to apply such fingering orientation at 
>> the voice level?
> 
> Not sure what you mean…

In my piano example, all the fingerings for the left hand appear below the 
notes, so I wondered whether this could be specified at the beginning of the 
voice once and for all.

JM

RE: Fingering orientation question

[Mark Stephen Mrotek]

Jacques,

You do not need to use chord notation and the \set command.
Fingering down indicated by the _ (underscore), e.g., a,4_3, and the up 
fingering by the ^ (carat), e.g., e^1
The - (dash) is a neutral setting and Lilypond decides according to voice 
number.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: lilypond-user [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] 
On Behalf Of Jacques Menu
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2019 12:17 AM
To: lilypond-user 
Subject: Fingering orientation question

Hello folks,

In the attached score, I’ve had to create artificial one-note chords such as 
 for the down fingering orientation to be taken into account:

  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down)

  4  a, e | % 2

I didn’t find other ways to achieve this result in the docs.

Would it be reasonable and feasible to apply such fingering orientation at the 
voice level?

Thanks for your help!

JM

RE: Fingering orientation question

[Gregory Hollands]

JM,

You can just use ^ to put the fingering above or _ to put it below. If the
voice will always be the lower voice (as in your left-hand piano example)
this works well. BUT it doesn't allow you to choose the orientation (top or
bottom) after inputting the notes. Note that using - (as in your example)
allows LilyPond to put the fingering wherever it likes.

%%%
a,_3 e_1 a, e | % 2
%%%

Hope this helps,
Greg

Hello folks,
> In the attached score, I’ve had to create artificial one-note chords such
> as  for the down fingering orientation to be taken into account:
>   \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down)
>   4  a, e | % 2
> I didn’t find other ways to achieve this result in the docs.
> Would it be reasonable and feasible to apply such fingering orientation at
> the voice level?
> Thanks for your help!
> JM

Re: Fingering orientation question

[Jacques Menu]

Thanks Thomas for the explanation and example!

>> Would it be reasonable and feasible to apply such fingering orientation at 
>> the voice level?
> 
> Not sure what you mean…

In my piano example, all the fingerings for the left hand appear below the 
notes, so I wondered whether this could be specified at the beginning of the 
voice once and for all.

JM

Re: Fingering orientation question

[Thomas Morley]

Am Do., 5. Dez. 2019 um 09:17 Uhr schrieb Jacques Menu :
>
> Hello folks,
>
> In the attached score, I’ve had to create artificial one-note chords such as 
>  for the down fingering orientation to be taken into account:
>
>   \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down)
>
>   4  a, e | % 2
>
> I didn’t find other ways to achieve this result in the docs.

Well, there's quite a mess with Fingering_engraver and New_fingering_engraver...
If you _need_ to use the context-properties
fingeringOrientations/stringNumberOrientations/strokeFingerOrientations
then you need to use event-chords. Furthermore StringNumber and
Strokefinger applied outside of a chord don't follow tweaks/overrides
of 'direction.
Fingering does!

Though they all follow the direction-modifiers ^/_

See:
{
b-2 -\5 -\rightHandFinger #1
b^2 ^\5 ^\rightHandFinger #1
b_2 _\5 _\rightHandFinger #1

b-\tweak direction #UP -2
 -\tweak direction #UP -\5
 -\tweak direction #UP \rightHandFinger #1

b-\tweak direction #DOWN -2
 -\tweak direction #DOWN -\5
 -\tweak direction #DOWN \rightHandFinger #1

\once \override Fingering.direction = #UP
\once \override StringNumber.direction = #UP
\once \override StrokeFinger.direction = #UP
b-2 -\5 -\rightHandFinger #1

\once \override Fingering.direction = #DOWN
\once \override StringNumber.direction = #DOWN
\once \override StrokeFinger.direction = #DOWN
b-2 -\5 -\rightHandFinger #1
}

Alas, if you need directions like left or right or a list of
directions like '(up left down), then you can't avoid the event-chord,
though.

> Would it be reasonable and feasible to apply such fingering orientation at 
> the voice level?

Not sure what you mean...

Cheers,
  Harm