Re: Microtonal notation - arrows up and down

[Graham Breed]

On 13/01/16 16:53, Luca Danieli wrote:


I tried to find information on how to do it on internet, but I am unable to 
find anything.
I am sorry to continuously asking, but can you give me any hint on how to do it?


I think this is what you want:

arrowGlyphs = #`(
(,DOUBLE-SHARP . "accidentals.doublesharp")
(,SHARP-RAISE  . "accidentals.sharp.arrowup")
(,SHARP. "accidentals.sharp")
(,SHARP-LOWER  . "accidentals.sharp.arrowdown")
(,NATURAL-RAISE . "accidentals.natural.arrowup")
(  0. "accidentals.natural")
(,NATURAL-LOWER . "accidentals.natural.arrowdown")
(,FLAT-RAISE   . "accidentals.flat.arrowup")
(,FLAT . "accidentals.flat")
(,FLAT-LOWER   . "accidentals.flat.arrowdown")
(,DOUBLE-FLAT  . "accidentals.flatflat")
(,(/ SHARP 2) . "accidentals.sharp.slashslash.stem")
(,(/ FLAT 2) . "accidentals.mirroredflat")
(,(* SHARP 3/2) . "accidentals.sharp.slashslash.stemstemstem")
(,(* FLAT 3/2) . "accidentals.mirroredflat.flat"))
)


(I tried to update all the software in Ubuntu, but I am already the newest 
version)

Kind regards,
Luca



Subject: RE: Microtonal notation - arrows up and down
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
From: gbr...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 20:01:53 +


Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 19:39:06 +0100
From: Luca Danieli<mr.luce...@hotmail.it>



It works perfectly! I understand that I need to rename ALL pitches, otherwise 
the building fails.The only problem now is that I have lost the default 
microtonal symbols.
So for example, how do I re-write the default symbol ceh (to have the symbol 
"d")?
In your example it is: (ceh . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 (/ FLAT 2))), but this 
doesn't show any accidental.
(I can't find information on internet)


The accidentals are listed in the "arrowGlyphs" object.  You need to
update that to match the names.




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RE: Microtonal notation - arrows up and down

[Luca Danieli]

Dear Graham,

I tried to find information on how to do it on internet, but I am unable to 
find anything.
I am sorry to continuously asking, but can you give me any hint on how to do 
it? 

(I tried to update all the software in Ubuntu, but I am already the newest 
version)

Kind regards,
Luca


> Subject: RE: Microtonal notation - arrows up and down
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> From: gbr...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 20:01:53 +
> 
> > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 19:39:06 +0100
> > From: Luca Danieli<mr.luce...@hotmail.it>
> 
> > It works perfectly! I understand that I need to rename ALL pitches, 
> > otherwise the building fails.The only problem now is that I have lost the 
> > default microtonal symbols.
> > So for example, how do I re-write the default symbol ceh (to have the 
> > symbol "d")?
> > In your example it is: (ceh . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 (/ FLAT 2))), but this 
> > doesn't show any accidental.
> > (I can't find information on internet)
> 
> The accidentals are listed in the "arrowGlyphs" object.  You need to 
> update that to match the names.
> 
> 
>Graham
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RE: Microtonal notation - arrows up and down

[Graham Breed]

Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 19:39:06 +0100
From: Luca Danieli



It works perfectly! I understand that I need to rename ALL pitches, otherwise 
the building fails.The only problem now is that I have lost the default 
microtonal symbols.
So for example, how do I re-write the default symbol ceh (to have the symbol 
"d")?
In your example it is: (ceh . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 (/ FLAT 2))), but this 
doesn't show any accidental.
(I can't find information on internet)


The accidentals are listed in the "arrowGlyphs" object.  You need to 
update that to match the names.



  Graham

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RE: Microtonal notation - arrows up and down

[Luca Danieli]

Thank you Graham.
It works perfectly! I understand that I need to rename ALL pitches, otherwise 
the building fails.The only problem now is that I have lost the default 
microtonal symbols.
So for example, how do I re-write the default symbol ceh (to have the symbol 
"d")?
In your example it is: (ceh . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 (/ FLAT 2))), but this 
doesn't show any accidental.
(I can't find information on internet)
Kind regards,Luca 

> Subject: RE: Microtonal notation - arrows up and down
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> From: gbr...@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 22:45:03 +
> 
> > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 20:39:15 +0100
> > From: Luca Danieli<mr.luce...@hotmail.it>
> 
> > Yes, it works perfectly.
> > But I am only able to replace for example the standard symbol for fih 
> > (quarter-tone) with an arrow-up symbol.
> > I was wondering if it was possible to use both symbols instead of replacing 
> > one type with the other.
> > I would like to use arrows to indicate tone-colour and standard notation to 
> > indicate quarter-tones.
> 
> You choose some new names for the arrowed pitches, and add them to the 
> list, along with the original quartertones.  Something like
> 
> 
> 
> arrowedPitchNames = #`(
> (ceses . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 DOUBLE-FLAT))
> (ceseh . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 (* FLAT 3/2)))
> (cesel . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 FLAT-LOWER))
> (ces   . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 FLAT))
> (cesir . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 FLAT-RAISE))
> (cesih . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 (/ FLAT 2)))
> (ceh . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 (/ FLAT 2)))
> (cel   . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 NATURAL-LOWER))
> (c . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 NATURAL))
> (cir   . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 NATURAL-RAISE))
> (cih . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 (/ SHARP 2)))
> (ciseh . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 (/ SHARP 2)))
> (cisel . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 SHARP-LOWER))
> (cis   . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 SHARP))
> (cisir . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 SHARP-RAISE))
> (cisih . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 (* SHARP 3/2)))
> (cisis . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 DOUBLE-SHARP))
> ...
> 
> 
>   Graham
> 
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Re: Microtonal notation - arrows up and down

[Graham Breed]

Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 18:35:49 +0100
From: Luca Danieli 



I don't understand very much what is written within the page you sent me. But from the 
"quick start" I have understood the basic and was able to implement this code:
http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Snippet?id=786
It works. Unfortunately I can only re-name the existing standard notation.What about 
adding arrow-"ed" accidentals to the already existing ones?
I can read on the "accidental" paragraph of the web-page you have provided:
"Whether or not you want new accidentals, you need a new associative array for 
microtonal tunings."


That example looks correct, and I ran it with 2.18.2.  Did you fix it 
since you asked the question?



Graham

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RE: Microtonal notation - arrows up and down

[Luca Danieli]

Thank you Graham.
Yes, it works perfectly.
But I am only able to replace for example the standard symbol for fih 
(quarter-tone) with an arrow-up symbol.
I was wondering if it was possible to use both symbols instead of replacing one 
type with the other.
I would like to use arrows to indicate tone-colour and standard notation to 
indicate quarter-tones.
Luca
> Subject: Re: Microtonal notation - arrows up and down
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> From: gbr...@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:19:00 +
> 
> > Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 18:35:49 +0100
> > From: Luca Danieli <mr.luce...@hotmail.it>
> 
> > I don't understand very much what is written within the page you sent me. 
> > But from the "quick start" I have understood the basic and was able to 
> > implement this code:
> > http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Snippet?id=786
> > It works. Unfortunately I can only re-name the existing standard 
> > notation.What about adding arrow-"ed" accidentals to the already existing 
> > ones?
> > I can read on the "accidental" paragraph of the web-page you have provided:
> > "Whether or not you want new accidentals, you need a new associative array 
> > for microtonal tunings."
> 
> That example looks correct, and I ran it with 2.18.2.  Did you fix it 
> since you asked the question?
> 
> 
>  Graham
> 
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RE: Microtonal notation - arrows up and down

[Graham Breed]

Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 20:39:15 +0100
From: Luca Danieli



Yes, it works perfectly.
But I am only able to replace for example the standard symbol for fih 
(quarter-tone) with an arrow-up symbol.
I was wondering if it was possible to use both symbols instead of replacing one 
type with the other.
I would like to use arrows to indicate tone-colour and standard notation to 
indicate quarter-tones.


You choose some new names for the arrowed pitches, and add them to the 
list, along with the original quartertones.  Something like




arrowedPitchNames = #`(
   (ceses . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 DOUBLE-FLAT))
   (ceseh . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 (* FLAT 3/2)))
   (cesel . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 FLAT-LOWER))
   (ces   . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 FLAT))
   (cesir . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 FLAT-RAISE))
   (cesih . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 (/ FLAT 2)))
   (ceh . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 (/ FLAT 2)))
   (cel   . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 NATURAL-LOWER))
   (c . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 NATURAL))
   (cir   . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 NATURAL-RAISE))
   (cih . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 (/ SHARP 2)))
   (ciseh . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 (/ SHARP 2)))
   (cisel . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 SHARP-LOWER))
   (cis   . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 SHARP))
   (cisir . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 SHARP-RAISE))
   (cisih . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 (* SHARP 3/2)))
   (cisis . ,(ly:make-pitch -1 0 DOUBLE-SHARP))
...


 Graham


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Re: Microtonal notation - arrows up and down

[Hans Åberg]

> On 8 Jan 2016, at 18:35, Luca Danieli  wrote:

> It works. Unfortunately I can only re-name the existing standard notation.
> What about adding arrow-"ed" accidentals to the already existing ones?

SMuFl  works together with OpenLilyLib. This way one 
can, by using Graham’s regular.ly, for example have single and double up/down 
arrows in E53.



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Re: Microtonal notation - arrows up and down

[Hans Åberg]

> On 8 Jan 2016, at 18:35, Luca Danieli  wrote:

> It works. Unfortunately I can only re-name the existing standard notation.
> What about adding arrow-"ed" accidentals to the already existing ones?

SMuFl  works together with OpenLilyLib. This way one 
can, by using Graham’s regular.ly, for example have single and double up/down 
arrows in E53.



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RE: Microtonal notation - arrows up and down

[Luca Danieli]

Thank you Graham.
I don't understand very much what is written within the page you sent me. But 
from the "quick start" I have understood the basic and was able to implement 
this code:
http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Snippet?id=786
It works. Unfortunately I can only re-name the existing standard notation.What 
about adding arrow-"ed" accidentals to the already existing ones?
I can read on the "accidental" paragraph of the web-page you have provided:
"Whether or not you want new accidentals, you need a new associative array for 
microtonal tunings."

But really I don't understand where to look about to learn how to create new 
accidentals (instead of just replacing existing ones).
Luca

> Subject: Re: Microtonal notation - arrows up and down
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> From: gbr...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 21:18:16 +
> 
> > Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 01:05:11 +0100
> > From: Luca Danieli<mr.luce...@hotmail.it>
> 
> > Hello everybody,
> > I found out very few about arrows down and up for microtonal 
> > notation.Neither a quick research on the mailing-list has shown many 
> > results.
> > I found the best example of it in the following page but I hoped to find 
> > some more information on how to set up arrows down and up.
> > http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Search?q=microtonal
> > Can someone lead me to the right tutorial, if there is any?
> 
> http://x31eq.com/lilypond
> 
> You have to decide what they mean.  Then, set new note names, define the 
> accidentals, and set a base scale, if you need it.  Probably the default 
> or a regular retuning of it will do.
> 
> 
>Graham
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Re: Microtonal notation - arrows up and down

[Graham Breed]

Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 01:05:11 +0100
From: Luca Danieli



Hello everybody,
I found out very few about arrows down and up for microtonal notation.Neither a 
quick research on the mailing-list has shown many results.
I found the best example of it in the following page but I hoped to find some 
more information on how to set up arrows down and up.
http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Search?q=microtonal
Can someone lead me to the right tutorial, if there is any?


http://x31eq.com/lilypond

You have to decide what they mean.  Then, set new note names, define the 
accidentals, and set a base scale, if you need it.  Probably the default 
or a regular retuning of it will do.



  Graham

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