Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
Graham Percival wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 02:05:01PM -0500, Tim McNamara wrote: On Jul 24, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Paul Scott wrote: I am still concerned why AU 2.2.1 doesn't seem to make sense. Sorry to be pig-ignorant here, but what the frak is AU 2.2.1? The main documentation page *used* to include Application Usage (AU) (with similar things for NR, LM, etc. But other people argued that those abbreviations were too confusing, so they took them off the page. What I commented on is still the current online docs for the developmental version: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/ Paul ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
David Stocker wrote: Paul, Are you using Linux or Windows XP? After you install LilyPond, you'll have all the files you need for lilypond-mode to work right there in your installation directory. You'll just need to tell Emacs where to locate them. In your .emacs.d directory you'll need a file called init.el It may already be present. If it's not, create it. Did you mean .emacs? .emacs.d (in my home directory) is owned by root. Thanks, Paul ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
Hi Paul, I'm not familiar with Debian, (I'm using Ubuntu 8.04, 9.04 and Windows XP) so if you have a directory called .emacs in your home directory already, go ahead and try creating and modifying your init.el inside it (instead of inside .emacs.d) and see where it gets you. Let me know what the result is. Regards, David Paul Scott wrote: David Stocker wrote: Paul, Are you using Linux or Windows XP? After you install LilyPond, you'll have all the files you need for lilypond-mode to work right there in your installation directory. You'll just need to tell Emacs where to locate them. In your .emacs.d directory you'll need a file called init.el It may already be present. If it's not, create it. Did you mean .emacs? .emacs.d (in my home directory) is owned by root. Thanks, Paul ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
On Jul 24, 2009, at 1:51 AM, Paul Scott wrote: David Stocker wrote: Paul, Are you using Linux or Windows XP? After you install LilyPond, you'll have all the files you need for lilypond-mode to work right there in your installation directory. You'll just need to tell Emacs where to locate them. In your .emacs.d directory you'll need a file called init.el It may already be present. If it's not, create it. Did you mean .emacs? .emacs.d (in my home directory) is owned by root. .emacs.d is a directory, .emacs is a file. For some reason your permissions are not correct: .emacs.d should be owned by you, not root. init.el should be inside .emacs.d for lilypond-mode to function correctly (it is possible, depending on your permissions, that lilypond-mode will not work even if init.el is there, if the permissions are incorrect). ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
Tim McNamara wrote: On Jul 24, 2009, at 1:51 AM, Paul Scott wrote: David Stocker wrote: Paul, Are you using Linux or Windows XP? After you install LilyPond, you'll have all the files you need for lilypond-mode to work right there in your installation directory. You'll just need to tell Emacs where to locate them. In your .emacs.d directory you'll need a file called init.el It may already be present. If it's not, create it. Did you mean .emacs? .emacs.d (in my home directory) is owned by root. .emacs.d is a directory, .emacs is a file. Yes. For some reason your permissions are not correct: .emacs.d should be owned by you, not root. That's what I would have thought. This is the way it is on both my Debian sid systems. On both these systems .emacs.d contains the directory auto-save-list both of which are owned by root. On this, my home system, I just removed .emacs.d and reinstalled emacs. Now there is no .emacs.d. I don't understand how .emacs.d would have been owned by root on two different systems since I would never do it that way. I will work on this and get back to the list. I am still concerned why AU 2.2.1 doesn't seem to make sense. Thanks, Paul ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
You can always sudo chown -hR username .emacs.d In any case, creating the directory .emacs.d and making a new init.el inside it shouldn't foul anything up. Then you could proceed with making your init.el point to lilypond-mode when you want to use it. Also, if you open up Emacs and start working with files, it might automatically make you a new auto-save-list (and a new .emacs.d for that matter). Regards, David Paul Scott wrote: Tim McNamara wrote: On Jul 24, 2009, at 1:51 AM, Paul Scott wrote: David Stocker wrote: Paul, Are you using Linux or Windows XP? After you install LilyPond, you'll have all the files you need for lilypond-mode to work right there in your installation directory. You'll just need to tell Emacs where to locate them. In your .emacs.d directory you'll need a file called init.el It may already be present. If it's not, create it. Did you mean .emacs? .emacs.d (in my home directory) is owned by root. .emacs.d is a directory, .emacs is a file. Yes. For some reason your permissions are not correct: .emacs.d should be owned by you, not root. That's what I would have thought. This is the way it is on both my Debian sid systems. On both these systems .emacs.d contains the directory auto-save-list both of which are owned by root. On this, my home system, I just removed .emacs.d and reinstalled emacs. Now there is no .emacs.d. I don't understand how .emacs.d would have been owned by root on two different systems since I would never do it that way. I will work on this and get back to the list. I am still concerned why AU 2.2.1 doesn't seem to make sense. Thanks, Paul ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
On Jul 24, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Paul Scott wrote: I am still concerned why AU 2.2.1 doesn't seem to make sense. Sorry to be pig-ignorant here, but what the frak is AU 2.2.1? Obviously it's some kind of abbreviation for documentation, but unfortunately I've not seen the whole name spelled out and it doesn't match any documentation I have from my LilyPond install. In this community we have an unfortunate tendency to shorthand things, forgetting that some readers won't be able to figure out what we're talking about. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
David Stocker wrote: After you install LilyPond, you'll have all the files you need for lilypond-mode to work right there in your installation directory. You'll just need to tell Emacs where to locate them. In your .emacs.d directory you'll need a file called init.el It may already be present. If it's not, create it. In that file, past the following lines: (setq load-path (append (list (expand-file-name *//home/david/lilypond/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/*)) load-path)) (autoload 'LilyPond-mode lilypond-mode LilyPond Editing Mode t) (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.ly$ . LilyPond-mode)) (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.ily$ . LilyPond-mode)) (add-hook 'LilyPond-mode-hook (lambda () (turn-on-font-lock))) I've bolded and italicized the path to my lilypond-mode files. Change them to in your init.el to point to the location of yours and you should be all set. Doing that to the best of my ability I get: File mode specification error: (file-error Cannot open load file lilypond-mode) This is how I interpreted your instructions: (setq load-path (append (list (expand-file-name /usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/* )) load-path)) (autoload 'LilyPond-mode lilypond-mode LilyPond Editing Mode t) (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.ly$ . LilyPond-mode)) (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.ily$ . LilyPond-mode)) (add-hook 'LilyPond-mode-hook (lambda () (turn-on-font-lock))) Even though I have done some scheme I don't know enough to diagnose this. Thanks for any help, Paul ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
Paul Scott wrote: Doing that to the best of my ability I get: File mode specification error: (file-error Cannot open load file lilypond-mode) This is how I interpreted your instructions: (setq load-path (append (list (expand-file-name /usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/* )) load-path)) (autoload 'LilyPond-mode lilypond-mode LilyPond Editing Mode t) (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.ly$ . LilyPond-mode)) (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.ily$ . LilyPond-mode)) (add-hook 'LilyPond-mode-hook (lambda () (turn-on-font-lock))) I think you need to delete the * near the beginning after .../emacs/site-lisp/* )) It should be .../emacs/site-lisp/ )) Even though I have done some scheme I don't know enough to diagnose this. Thanks for any help, Paul ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
Tim McNamara wrote: On Jul 24, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Paul Scott wrote: I am still concerned why AU 2.2.1 doesn't seem to make sense. Sorry to be pig-ignorant here, but what the frak is AU 2.2.1? Obviously it's some kind of abbreviation for documentation, but unfortunately I've not seen the whole name spelled out and it doesn't match any documentation I have from my LilyPond install. In this community we have an unfortunate tendency to shorthand things, forgetting that some readers won't be able to figure out what we're talking about. Fair enough! This has been argued about before at least on the developer's list. AU = Application Usage. (how to install and run the program) Main documenation page right column. Paul ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
Tim McNamara wrote: On Jul 24, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Paul Scott wrote: I am still concerned why AU 2.2.1 doesn't seem to make sense. Sorry to be pig-ignorant here, but what the frak is AU 2.2.1? Obviously it's some kind of abbreviation for documentation, but unfortunately I've not seen the whole name spelled out and it doesn't match any documentation I have from my LilyPond install. In this community we have an unfortunate tendency to shorthand things, forgetting that some readers won't be able to figure out what we're talking about. Indeed, this one doesn't match. It's Application Usage, which in a fresh build is named lilypond-program.pdf. Sorry for the confusion. :) Jon -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com Having been erased, The document you're seeking Must now be retyped. --a Haiku error message from GNU ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
David Stocker wrote: Paul Scott wrote: Doing that to the best of my ability I get: File mode specification error: (file-error Cannot open load file lilypond-mode) This is how I interpreted your instructions: (setq load-path (append (list (expand-file-name /usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/* )) load-path)) (autoload 'LilyPond-mode lilypond-mode LilyPond Editing Mode t) (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.ly$ . LilyPond-mode)) (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.ily$ . LilyPond-mode)) (add-hook 'LilyPond-mode-hook (lambda () (turn-on-font-lock))) I think you need to delete the * near the beginning after .../emacs/site-lisp/* )) It should be .../emacs/site-lisp/ )) That was it!! Thanks, Paul ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
Glad this worked for you. I just went through this to set up lilypond-mode on a fresh install of Ubuntu 9.04. It was still fresh in my mind. Best regards, David Paul Scott wrote: David Stocker wrote: Paul Scott wrote: Doing that to the best of my ability I get: File mode specification error: (file-error Cannot open load file lilypond-mode) This is how I interpreted your instructions: (setq load-path (append (list (expand-file-name /usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/* )) load-path)) (autoload 'LilyPond-mode lilypond-mode LilyPond Editing Mode t) (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.ly$ . LilyPond-mode)) (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.ily$ . LilyPond-mode)) (add-hook 'LilyPond-mode-hook (lambda () (turn-on-font-lock))) I think you need to delete the * near the beginning after .../emacs/site-lisp/* )) It should be .../emacs/site-lisp/ )) That was it!! Thanks, Paul ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 02:05:01PM -0500, Tim McNamara wrote: On Jul 24, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Paul Scott wrote: I am still concerned why AU 2.2.1 doesn't seem to make sense. Sorry to be pig-ignorant here, but what the frak is AU 2.2.1? The main documentation page *used* to include Application Usage (AU) (with similar things for NR, LM, etc. But other people argued that those abbreviations were too confusing, so they took them off the page. Obviously it's some kind of abbreviation for documentation, but unfortunately I've not seen the whole name spelled out and it doesn't match any documentation I have from my LilyPond install. The filenames of pdfs should be fixed soon. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
Paul, Are you using Linux or Windows XP? After you install LilyPond, you'll have all the files you need for lilypond-mode to work right there in your installation directory. You'll just need to tell Emacs where to locate them. In your .emacs.d directory you'll need a file called init.el It may already be present. If it's not, create it. In that file, past the following lines: (setq load-path (append (list (expand-file-name *//home/david/lilypond/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/*)) load-path)) (autoload 'LilyPond-mode lilypond-mode LilyPond Editing Mode t) (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.ly$ . LilyPond-mode)) (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.ily$ . LilyPond-mode)) (add-hook 'LilyPond-mode-hook (lambda () (turn-on-font-lock))) I've bolded and italicized the path to my lilypond-mode files. Change them to in your init.el to point to the location of yours and you should be all set. Hope that helps, David Paul Scott wrote: James E. Bailey wrote: On 23.07.2009, at 04:20, Paul Scott wrote: Hi, I'm resurrecting a laptop whose hard drive died. I'm trying to set up Emacs lilypond-mode. AU 2.2.1 tells me to do a 'make install' in the elisp directory. I don't see a makefile and 'make install' doesn't find an install target rule. Am I missing something or are the docs behind? Thanks, Paul Scott That only applies if lilypond-mode isn't installed on your platform (first paragraph, last sentence). I believe that lilypond isn't installed. This is a fresh install of everything since the hard drive died. Even so why would the makefile be gone if I had done the lilypond-mode install. Usually you can just move the files to where they need to go and ammend your ~/.emacs appropriately I do see where the lilypond-mode file is so I can probably install it manually but I still wonder about the documentation. Thanks, Paul James E. Bailey ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
To clarify, replace everything between the with the exact syntax and spelling of your site-lisp directory. I just realized that bold and italic may show up on some people's system as * * and extra / / David David Stocker wrote: Paul, Are you using Linux or Windows XP? After you install LilyPond, you'll have all the files you need for lilypond-mode to work right there in your installation directory. You'll just need to tell Emacs where to locate them. In your .emacs.d directory you'll need a file called init.el It may already be present. If it's not, create it. In that file, past the following lines: (setq load-path (append (list (expand-file-name *//home/david/lilypond/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/*)) load-path)) (autoload 'LilyPond-mode lilypond-mode LilyPond Editing Mode t) (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.ly$ . LilyPond-mode)) (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.ily$ . LilyPond-mode)) (add-hook 'LilyPond-mode-hook (lambda () (turn-on-font-lock))) I've bolded and italicized the path to my lilypond-mode files. Change them to in your init.el to point to the location of yours and you should be all set. Hope that helps, David Paul Scott wrote: James E. Bailey wrote: On 23.07.2009, at 04:20, Paul Scott wrote: Hi, I'm resurrecting a laptop whose hard drive died. I'm trying to set up Emacs lilypond-mode. AU 2.2.1 tells me to do a 'make install' in the elisp directory. I don't see a makefile and 'make install' doesn't find an install target rule. Am I missing something or are the docs behind? Thanks, Paul Scott That only applies if lilypond-mode isn't installed on your platform (first paragraph, last sentence). I believe that lilypond isn't installed. This is a fresh install of everything since the hard drive died. Even so why would the makefile be gone if I had done the lilypond-mode install. Usually you can just move the files to where they need to go and ammend your ~/.emacs appropriately I do see where the lilypond-mode file is so I can probably install it manually but I still wonder about the documentation. Thanks, Paul James E. Bailey ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
David Stocker wrote: To clarify, replace everything between the with the exact syntax and spelling of your site-lisp directory. I just realized that bold and italic may show up on some people's system as * * and extra / / Thanks! I'll try this later today on my laptop. (running Debian sid). If you feel qualified to suggest an improvement for AU 2.2.1 please do. Paul ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
On 23.07.2009, at 07:16, Paul Scott wrote: James E. Bailey wrote: On 23.07.2009, at 04:20, Paul Scott wrote: Hi, I'm resurrecting a laptop whose hard drive died. I'm trying to set up Emacs lilypond-mode. AU 2.2.1 tells me to do a 'make install' in the elisp directory. I don't see a makefile and 'make install' doesn't find an install target rule. Am I missing something or are the docs behind? Thanks, Paul Scott That only applies if lilypond-mode isn't installed on your platform (first paragraph, last sentence). I believe that lilypond isn't installed. This is a fresh install of everything since the hard drive died. This is a question you should be able to answer, is lilypond installed or not. If it is, and you've installed from a binary, i.e., not built it yourself, you should have everything you need. If you've installed from source, then depending on what you've installed, you may or may not need to build and install lilypond-mode. Even so why would the makefile be gone if I had done the lilypond- mode install. Because makefiles are often not provided when the files they create are. Usually you can just move the files to where they need to go and ammend your ~/.emacs appropriately I do see where the lilypond-mode file is so I can probably install it manually but I still wonder about the documentation. Thanks, Paul The documentation is written from the point of view of a bare bones install. If you have the files the documentation refers to, then you're a couple of steps ahead. James E. Bailey ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
James E. Bailey wrote: On 23.07.2009, at 07:16, Paul Scott wrote: James E. Bailey wrote: On 23.07.2009, at 04:20, Paul Scott wrote: Hi, I'm resurrecting a laptop whose hard drive died. I'm trying to set up Emacs lilypond-mode. AU 2.2.1 tells me to do a 'make install' in the elisp directory. I don't see a makefile and 'make install' doesn't find an install target rule. Am I missing something or are the docs behind? Thanks, Paul Scott That only applies if lilypond-mode isn't installed on your platform (first paragraph, last sentence). I believe that lilypond isn't installed. This is a fresh install of everything since the hard drive died. This is a question you should be able to answer, is lilypond installed or not. That should have said lilypond-mode. If it is, and you've installed from a binary, i.e., not built it yourself, you should have everything you need. If you've installed from source, then depending on what you've installed, you may or may not need to build and install lilypond-mode. Even so why would the makefile be gone if I had done the lilypond-mode install. Because makefiles are often not provided when the files they create are. See below. Usually you can just move the files to where they need to go and ammend your ~/.emacs appropriately I do see where the lilypond-mode file is so I can probably install it manually but I still wonder about the documentation. Thanks, Paul The documentation is written from the point of view of a bare bones install. If you have the files the documentation refers to, then you're a couple of steps ahead. What do you believe was not bare bones about my install? I did a standard GUB install from the website. It is the only version I have installed. Paul ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
On 23.07.2009, at 04:20, Paul Scott wrote: Hi, I'm resurrecting a laptop whose hard drive died. I'm trying to set up Emacs lilypond-mode. AU 2.2.1 tells me to do a 'make install' in the elisp directory. I don't see a makefile and 'make install' doesn't find an install target rule. Am I missing something or are the docs behind? Thanks, Paul Scott That only applies if lilypond-mode isn't installed on your platform (first paragraph, last sentence). Usually you can just move the files to where they need to go and ammend your ~/.emacs appropriately James E. Bailey ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.13.3 docs emacs mode documentation AU 2.2.1 out of date?
James E. Bailey wrote: On 23.07.2009, at 04:20, Paul Scott wrote: Hi, I'm resurrecting a laptop whose hard drive died. I'm trying to set up Emacs lilypond-mode. AU 2.2.1 tells me to do a 'make install' in the elisp directory. I don't see a makefile and 'make install' doesn't find an install target rule. Am I missing something or are the docs behind? Thanks, Paul Scott That only applies if lilypond-mode isn't installed on your platform (first paragraph, last sentence). I believe that lilypond isn't installed. This is a fresh install of everything since the hard drive died. Even so why would the makefile be gone if I had done the lilypond-mode install. Usually you can just move the files to where they need to go and ammend your ~/.emacs appropriately I do see where the lilypond-mode file is so I can probably install it manually but I still wonder about the documentation. Thanks, Paul James E. Bailey ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
