Re: Anybody near a library posessing the Old Schumann Edition
On 01/30/2014 09:57 AM, Urs Liska wrote: I wanted to get my hands on a volume of Clara Schumann's edition of Robert Schumann's works. Unfortunately I realized that we don't have this at all in my city. Is there anybody having convenient access to a library that owns this edition (not the one revised by Wilhelm Kempff)? Only the revised edition is available in Saarbrücken, sorry. Best, Alexander ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Anybody near a library posessing the Old Schumann Edition
Urs: I wanted to get my hands on a volume of Clara Schumann's edition of Robert Schumann's works. Unfortunately I realized that we don't have this at all in my city. Is there anybody having convenient access to a library that owns this edition (not the one revised by Wilhelm Kempff)? It would be nice if someone could go there and do some measurements on one page (which we'd like to have for our engraving challenges). I cannot find it in Stockholm: http://katalog.muslib.se/ Regards, /Karl Hammar --- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Anybody near a library posessing the Old Schumann Edition
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 3:57 AM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: I wanted to get my hands on a volume of Clara Schumann's edition of Robert Schumann's works. Unfortunately I realized that we don't have this at all in my city. Is there anybody having convenient access to a library that owns this edition (not the one revised by Wilhelm Kempff)? It would be nice if someone could go there and do some measurements on one page (which we'd like to have for our engraving challenges). Best Urs Urs - It might help to be able to narrow your search. Try WorldCat www.worldcat.org. I did a search, and got multiple hits, some with just the Schumanns, not with Kempff, but I don't know which works you're looking for. Once you find the edition you want (and when you see the correct title, you can click on all editions and formats), you can see which libraries hold it. If you're not in a huge hurry, you could try interlibrary loan, or perhaps you could contact the library directly to try to get measurements. The one edition I looked at more closely had, under Description, 1 score (183 p.) ; 31 cm. WorldCat lists libraries worldwide. Best of luck, Ralph -- Ralph Palmer Brattleboro, VT USA palmer.r.vio...@gmail.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Anybody near a library posessing the Old Schumann Edition
Is this the one you're looking for? http://www.amazon.com/Piano-Music-Robert-Schumann-Series/dp/0486214591 If so I've found libraries here in Italy owning the 3 book series but they're quite far away from where I live. I might ask information for an inter-library loan if nobody else can help. Best regards. Fulvio 2014-01-30 Ralph Palmer palmer.r.vio...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 3:57 AM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: I wanted to get my hands on a volume of Clara Schumann's edition of Robert Schumann's works. Unfortunately I realized that we don't have this at all in my city. Is there anybody having convenient access to a library that owns this edition (not the one revised by Wilhelm Kempff)? It would be nice if someone could go there and do some measurements on one page (which we'd like to have for our engraving challenges). Best Urs Urs - It might help to be able to narrow your search. Try WorldCat www.worldcat.org. I did a search, and got multiple hits, some with just the Schumanns, not with Kempff, but I don't know which works you're looking for. Once you find the edition you want (and when you see the correct title, you can click on all editions and formats), you can see which libraries hold it. If you're not in a huge hurry, you could try interlibrary loan, or perhaps you could contact the library directly to try to get measurements. The one edition I looked at more closely had, under Description, 1 score (183 p.) ; 31 cm. WorldCat lists libraries worldwide. Best of luck, Ralph -- Ralph Palmer Brattleboro, VT USA palmer.r.vio...@gmail.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Anybody near a library posessing the Old Schumann Edition
On 2014-01-30 09:57, Urs Liska wrote: I wanted to get my hands on a volume of Clara Schumann's edition of Robert Schumann's works. Unfortunately I realized that we don't have this at all in my city. Have you looked at IMSLP? http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Schumann,_Clara/Editor // Anders -- English isn't my first language. So any error or strangeness is due to the translation. Please correct my English so that I may become better. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Anybody near a library posessing the Old Schumann Edition
Am 30.01.2014 14:50, schrieb and...@andis59.se: On 2014-01-30 09:57, Urs Liska wrote: I wanted to get my hands on a volume of Clara Schumann's edition of Robert Schumann's works. Unfortunately I realized that we don't have this at all in my city. Have you looked at IMSLP? http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Schumann,_Clara/Editor Yes, that's where the image here: https://github.com/engraving-challenges/estrella/blob/master/estrella.png comes from. What we're after is a measurement of a physical copy. Urs // Anders -- Urs Liska www.openlilylib.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [SPAM] Re: Anybody near a library posessing the Old Schumann Edition
Am 30.01.2014 14:20, schrieb Fulvio Turra: Is this the one you're looking for? http://www.amazon.com/Piano-Music-Robert-Schumann-Series/dp/0486214591 If so I've found libraries here in Italy owning the 3 book series but they're quite far away from where I live. I might ask information for an inter-library loan if nobody else can help. Best regards. Fulvio This seems to be the right edition. But as it's a reprint, measurement may not be reliable. Thanks anyway Urs 2014-01-30 Ralph Palmer palmer.r.vio...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 3:57 AM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: I wanted to get my hands on a volume of Clara Schumann's edition of Robert Schumann's works. Unfortunately I realized that we don't have this at all in my city. Is there anybody having convenient access to a library that owns this edition (not the one revised by Wilhelm Kempff)? It would be nice if someone could go there and do some measurements on one page (which we'd like to have for our engraving challenges). Best Urs Urs - It might help to be able to narrow your search. Try WorldCat www.worldcat.org. I did a search, and got multiple hits, some with just the Schumanns, not with Kempff, but I don't know which works you're looking for. Once you find the edition you want (and when you see the correct title, you can click on all editions and formats), you can see which libraries hold it. If you're not in a huge hurry, you could try interlibrary loan, or perhaps you could contact the library directly to try to get measurements. The one edition I looked at more closely had, under Description, 1 score (183 p.) ; 31 cm. WorldCat lists libraries worldwide. Best of luck, Ralph -- Ralph Palmer Brattleboro, VT USA palmer.r.vio...@gmail.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- Urs Liska www.openlilylib.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Anybody near a library posessing the Old Schumann Edition
Am 30.01.2014 13:45, schrieb k...@aspodata.se: Urs: I wanted to get my hands on a volume of Clara Schumann's edition of Robert Schumann's works. Unfortunately I realized that we don't have this at all in my city. Is there anybody having convenient access to a library that owns this edition (not the one revised by Wilhelm Kempff)? It would be nice if someone could go there and do some measurements on one page (which we'd like to have for our engraving challenges). I cannot find it in Stockholm: http://katalog.muslib.se/ Regards, /Karl Hammar Thanks for looking anyway. Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Anybody near a library posessing the Old Schumann Edition
2014-01-30 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org What we're after is a measurement of a physical copy. If that could help, there are measurement references on those scans : http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/index.html?c=suchenab=guitarekl=l=de Cheers Pierre ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [SPAM] Re: Anybody near a library posessing the Old Schumann Edition
Am 30.01.2014 14:05, schrieb Ralph Palmer: On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 3:57 AM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: I wanted to get my hands on a volume of Clara Schumann's edition of Robert Schumann's works. Unfortunately I realized that we don't have this at all in my city. Is there anybody having convenient access to a library that owns this edition (not the one revised by Wilhelm Kempff)? It would be nice if someone could go there and do some measurements on one page (which we'd like to have for our engraving challenges). Best Urs Urs - It might help to be able to narrow your search. Try WorldCat www.worldcat.org. I did a search, and got multiple hits, some with just the Schumanns, not with Kempff, but I don't know which works you're looking for. Once you find the edition you want (and when you see the correct title, you can click on all editions and formats), you can see which libraries hold it. If you're not in a huge hurry, you could try interlibrary loan, or perhaps you could contact the library directly to try to get measurements. The one edition I looked at more closely had, under Description, 1 score (183 p.) ; 31 cm. WorldCat lists libraries worldwide. Thanks for pointing me there. But I'm afraid the catalogue isn't comprehensive enough. The only copy I could locate was in Sidney ;-( Best Urs Best of luck, Ralph ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [SPAM] Re: Anybody near a library posessing the Old Schumann Edition
2014-01-30 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org ... and if we don't find a phyiscal copy this will probably be detailed enough. Well I can have a look at the BnF but not before the end of next week. If you're interested, please tell me which work/page and which measurements you're looking for. Cheers, Pierre ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Anybody near a library posessing the Old Schumann Edition
I wanted to get my hands on a volume of Clara Schumann's edition of Robert Schumann's works. Unfortunately I realized that we don't have this at all in my city. Is there anybody having convenient access to a library that owns this edition (not the one revised by Wilhelm Kempff)? Which specific works are we interested in? Between the university and the Hochschule für Musik, Basel seems to have quite a bit of material, much of which I could at least consult on-site. How about, for instance: _Klavier-Werke [Noten] / von Robert Schumann ; erste mit Fingersatz und Vortragsbezeichnung versehene instructive Ausgabe, nach den Handschriften und persönlicher Überlieferung hrsg. von Clara Schumann_. Leipzig et al.: Breitkopf und Härtel, zw. 1880-1920 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Anybody near a library posessing the Old Schumann Edition
Am 30.01.2014 15:49, schrieb Alexander Deubelbeiss: I wanted to get my hands on a volume of Clara Schumann's edition of Robert Schumann's works. Unfortunately I realized that we don't have this at all in my city. Is there anybody having convenient access to a library that owns this edition (not the one revised by Wilhelm Kempff)? Which specific works are we interested in? Between the university and the Hochschule für Musik, Basel seems to have quite a bit of material, much of which I could at least consult on-site. How about, for instance: _Klavier-Werke [Noten] / von Robert Schumann ; erste mit Fingersatz und Vortragsbezeichnung versehene instructive Ausgabe, nach den Handschriften und persönlicher Überlieferung hrsg. von Clara Schumann_. Leipzig et al.: Breitkopf und Härtel, zw. 1880-1920 That looks quite close. http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/bsb00033403/image_1 is it, and we're interested in p. 15 of vol. II http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/bsb00033403/image_17 If you should go there in persona you might ask for Oskar Fried: Lieder to have a look at our big LilyPond edition ;-) The library of the Musikakademie should have a copy. Best Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Anybody near a library posessing the Old Schumann Edition
I wanted to get my hands on a volume of Clara Schumann's edition of Robert Schumann's works. Unfortunately I realized that we don't have this at all in my city. Is there anybody having convenient access to a library that owns this edition (not the one revised by Wilhelm Kempff)? Which specific works are we interested in? Between the university and the Hochschule f?r Musik, Basel seems to have quite a bit of material, much of which I could at least consult on-site. How about, for instance: _Klavier-Werke [Noten] / von Robert Schumann ; erste mit Fingersatz und Vortragsbezeichnung versehene instructive Ausgabe, nach den Handschriften und pers?nlicher ?berlieferung hrsg. von Clara Schumann_. Leipzig et al.: Breitkopf und H?rtel, zw. 1880-1920 OK then: Robert Schumann's Werke, Serie 7: Für Pianoforte zu zwei Händen. No complete set here, but there happens to be a copy of volume 2 in UB Basel. Mild problem: this is old enough to only be available in a special reading room where I can't take any tools other than paper and pencil. Measuring to the mm is feasible with a paper tape though. Would that help, and what, precisely, did you need measured? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Anybody near a library posessing the Old Schumann Edition
2014/1/30 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org I wanted to get my hands on a volume of Clara Schumann's edition of Robert Schumann's works. Unfortunately I realized that we don't have this at all in my city. Is there anybody having convenient access to a library that owns this edition (not the one revised by Wilhelm Kempff)? It would be nice if someone could go there and do some measurements on one page (which we'd like to have for our engraving challenges). maybe this one? http://opac.bncf.firenze.sbn.it/opac/controller.jsp?action=notizia_viewnotizia_idn=cfi0565816query_action=search_basefilterquery_filterterm=categoria%3Amsquery_position=0query_maxposition=11query_orderby=query_filterterm=categoria%3Amsquery_querystring_1=clara+schumannquery_fieldname_1=keywords let me know and I may go on Saturday ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [SPAM] Re: Anybody near a library posessing the Old Schumann Edition
I'm not 100% sure but I think this is a different edition: I miss the notion of Complete works, and I _think_ that nach den Handschriften und persönlicher Überlieferung herausgegeben (edited from manuscripts and personal tradition) isn't mentioned in the complete edition anymore. Thanks anyway Urs Am 30.01.2014 22:51, schrieb Federico Bruni: 2014/1/30 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org I wanted to get my hands on a volume of Clara Schumann's edition of Robert Schumann's works. Unfortunately I realized that we don't have this at all in my city. Is there anybody having convenient access to a library that owns this edition (not the one revised by Wilhelm Kempff)? It would be nice if someone could go there and do some measurements on one page (which we'd like to have for our engraving challenges). maybe this one? http://opac.bncf.firenze.sbn.it/opac/controller.jsp?action=notizia_viewnotizia_idn=cfi0565816query_action=search_basefilterquery_filterterm=categoria%3Amsquery_position=0query_maxposition=11query_orderby=query_filterterm=categoria%3Amsquery_querystring_1=clara+schumannquery_fieldname_1=keywords let me know and I may go on Saturday ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Anybody near a library posessing the Old Schumann Edition
Am 30.01.2014 18:28, schrieb Alexander Deubelbeiss: I wanted to get my hands on a volume of Clara Schumann's edition of Robert Schumann's works. Unfortunately I realized that we don't have this at all in my city. Is there anybody having convenient access to a library that owns this edition (not the one revised by Wilhelm Kempff)? Which specific works are we interested in? Between the university and the Hochschule f?r Musik, Basel seems to have quite a bit of material, much of which I could at least consult on-site. How about, for instance: _Klavier-Werke [Noten] / von Robert Schumann ; erste mit Fingersatz und Vortragsbezeichnung versehene instructive Ausgabe, nach den Handschriften und pers?nlicher ?berlieferung hrsg. von Clara Schumann_. Leipzig et al.: Breitkopf und H?rtel, zw. 1880-1920 OK then: Robert Schumann's Werke, Serie 7: Für Pianoforte zu zwei Händen. No complete set here, but there happens to be a copy of volume 2 in UB Basel. Yes, that's it. Mild problem: this is old enough to only be available in a special reading room where I can't take any tools other than paper and pencil. Measuring to the mm is feasible with a paper tape though. Would that help, and what, precisely, did you need measured? If it's not too much an effort for you that would help indeed. We're interested in the page containing Estrella from Carnaval op. 9 I think what we could use is: - paper size - margins and line width - indent of first system - bottom margin - staff height (rastral height) - total distance from topmost staffline to lowest staffline (as it doesn't cover the whole page) - (largest and smallest PianoStaff height) Oh my, if I think that I've been in Basel on Monday ... Best Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
