Re: Fixed width measures
Am 05.03.2015 um 08:34 schrieb Brian Barker: At 11:37 05/03/2015 +1100, Andrew Bernard wrote: I have asked this question on the list in the past, but no solution seems to be available. The topic is fixed width measures. I have contemporary music that has lots of complex tuplets within tuplets and rapidly varying time signatures (New Complexity School). The composer I am working with draws all his scores by hand, and uses a fixed measure width notation to help the performer understand the very complex rhythms, with a fixed physical measure length corresponding to a specific fixed interval of time. Actually, several composers do this. I have tried everything to do with proportional notation and new spacing sections but I can't seem to succeed. Is there any way to instruct lilypond to use a fixed length, absolute size measure? I see that others have wanted this capability for fixed width measures for chord charts, overriding the lovely and subtle way that lilypond has of moving the bar lines on the page around a little for readability and aesthetics. I am attaching the smallest most simplified snippet I can make that shows unequal measures. If anybody can make something like this have fixed width measures, let me know! I am aware that this goes entirely against classical engraving principles, and all of lilypond's aesthetic architecture, but it is 2015 now! Does this require internal code hacking of the layout engine somewhere deep down below the user level? It's frustrating to be defeated by a man with a pencil who can simply rule lines! :-) o Insert indent = 0 - so that your first system is the same length as the other. o Change the value in proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1/20) to 1/28 - following the advice in the Notation manual: How do we select the right reference duration to pass to proportionalNotationDuration? Usually by a process of trial and error, beginning with a duration close to the fastest (or smallest) duration in the piece. Now I see three systems, each with two bars of exactly equal length. At smaller staff sizes, I can see two systems of three bars each - but they are not quite of equal length. The problem seems to be the time signature, occurring in only the first system. Can you put up with no time signature? Or with time signatures in both systems? Or (probably best) with an invisible time signature (to take up appropriate space) in subsequent systems? Or put the time signature in a separate context, as in the last example of http://lilypondblog.org/2014/05/independent-meters/ One solution hasn't been mentioned so far - but I agree that this is a hack and it would be nice to have a stable solution built-in to LilyPond. You can override the minimal-length of MultiMeasureRest and add an invisible layer with (only) MultiMeasureRests. This will cause all measures to have _at least_ that length. So the limitation is that you have to take care that this minimal length is long enough for all your measures. HTH Urs Brian Barker ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Fixed width measures
Am 05.03.2015 um 09:21 schrieb Urs Liska: Am 05.03.2015 um 08:34 schrieb Brian Barker: At 11:37 05/03/2015 +1100, Andrew Bernard wrote: I have asked this question on the list in the past, but no solution seems to be available. The topic is fixed width measures. I have contemporary music that has lots of complex tuplets within tuplets and rapidly varying time signatures (New Complexity School). The composer I am working with draws all his scores by hand, and uses a fixed measure width notation to help the performer understand the very complex rhythms, with a fixed physical measure length corresponding to a specific fixed interval of time. Actually, several composers do this. I have tried everything to do with proportional notation and new spacing sections but I can't seem to succeed. Is there any way to instruct lilypond to use a fixed length, absolute size measure? I see that others have wanted this capability for fixed width measures for chord charts, overriding the lovely and subtle way that lilypond has of moving the bar lines on the page around a little for readability and aesthetics. I am attaching the smallest most simplified snippet I can make that shows unequal measures. If anybody can make something like this have fixed width measures, let me know! I am aware that this goes entirely against classical engraving principles, and all of lilypond's aesthetic architecture, but it is 2015 now! Does this require internal code hacking of the layout engine somewhere deep down below the user level? It's frustrating to be defeated by a man with a pencil who can simply rule lines! :-) o Insert indent = 0 - so that your first system is the same length as the other. o Change the value in proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1/20) to 1/28 - following the advice in the Notation manual: How do we select the right reference duration to pass to proportionalNotationDuration? Usually by a process of trial and error, beginning with a duration close to the fastest (or smallest) duration in the piece. Now I see three systems, each with two bars of exactly equal length. At smaller staff sizes, I can see two systems of three bars each - but they are not quite of equal length. The problem seems to be the time signature, occurring in only the first system. Can you put up with no time signature? Or with time signatures in both systems? Or (probably best) with an invisible time signature (to take up appropriate space) in subsequent systems? Or put the time signature in a separate context, as in the last example of http://lilypondblog.org/2014/05/independent-meters/ One solution hasn't been mentioned so far - but I agree that this is a hack and it would be nice to have a stable solution built-in to LilyPond. You can override the minimal-length of MultiMeasureRest and add an invisible layer with (only) MultiMeasureRests. This will cause all measures to have _at least_ that length. So the limitation is that you have to take care that this minimal length is long enough for all your measures. Plus, (presuming ragged-right = ##f) you’d have to adapt it to line-length, which probably is a daunting trial-and-error task… ~ Simon ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Fixed width measures
Hi Andrew,
I tried some things with some success: if there are only two bars per
line and ther is no indent, the bars are _almost_ the same width. I
don’t have any idea why this is imprecise, though.
HTH, Simon
P.S. I also did some reformatting to the code, which in my eyes much
improves the readability…
Am 05.03.2015 um 01:37 schrieb Andrew Bernard:
Greetings all,
I have asked this question on the list in the past, but no solution
seems to be available. The topic is fixed width measures. I have
contemporary music that has lots of complex tuplets within tuplets and
rapidly varying time signatures (New Complexity School). The composer
I am working with draws all his scores by hand, and uses a fixed
measure width notation to help the performer understand the very
complex rhythms, with a fixed physical measure length corresponding to
a specific fixed interval of time. Actually, several composers do this.
I have tried everything to do with proportional notation and new
spacing sections but I can’t seem to succeed. Is there any way to
instruct lilypond to use a fixed length, absolute size measure?
I see that others have wanted this capability for fixed width measures
for chord charts, overriding the lovely and subtle way that lilypond
has of moving the bar lines on the page around a little for
readability and aesthetics.
I am attaching the smallest most simplified snippet I can make that
shows unequal measures. If anybody can make something like this have
fixed width measures, let me know!
I am aware that this goes entirely against classical engraving
principles, and all of lilypond’s aesthetic architecture, but it is
2015 now! Does this require internal code hacking of the layout engine
somewhere deep down below the user level? It’s frustrating to be
defeated by a man with a pencil who can simply rule lines! :-)
Andrew
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\version 2.19.16
\paper
{
% A4 version.
#(set-paper-size a4 'landscape)
indent = 0
top-margin = 20\mm
bottom-margin = 16\mm
left-margin = 16\mm
right-margin = 16\mm
myStaffSize = #20
}
aux = \repeat unfold 3 { s1*2 \break }
upper = \relative c'' {
\time 4/4
\clef treble
\key c \major
{
\voiceOne
\stemDown
\override TupletBracket.bracket-visibility = ##t
c,4 c c c |
\tupletDown
\tuplet 7/4 {c16 bes c bes c d bes }
\tuplet 7/4 {c16 bes c bes c d bes }
\tuplet 7/4 {c16 bes c bes c d bes }
\tuplet 7/4 {c16 bes c bes c d bes }
c4 c c c |
bes' bes bes bes |
a a a a |
\tuplet 7/4 {c,16 bes c bes c d bes }
\tuplet 7/4 {c16 bes c bes c d bes }
\tuplet 7/4 {c16 bes c bes c d bes }
\tuplet 7/4 {c16 bes c bes c d bes }
}
\\
{
\voiceThree
\override TupletBracket.bracket-visibility = ##t
\tuplet 9/8 { c8[ d e f g f d b c] } |
\tuplet 7/8 { d f g a e f c } |
\tuplet 13/8 { d g bes a f c d a' f d e d g }
\tuplet 3/8 { f d cis } |
\tuplet 5/8 { cis ees d f d } |
}
}
lower = \relative c' {
\time 4/4
\clef bass
\key c \major
\voiceOne
c,1 |
bes |
a |
g |
a |
bes |
}
\score {
\new PianoStaff
\new Staff = treble \new Voice
\upper
\aux
\new Staff = bass \lower
\layout {
\context {
\Score
proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1/20)
\override SpacingSpanner.uniform-stretching = ##t
}
}
}
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Re: Fixed width measures
At 11:37 05/03/2015 +1100, Andrew Bernard wrote: I have asked this question on the list in the past, but no solution seems to be available. The topic is fixed width measures. I have contemporary music that has lots of complex tuplets within tuplets and rapidly varying time signatures (New Complexity School). The composer I am working with draws all his scores by hand, and uses a fixed measure width notation to help the performer understand the very complex rhythms, with a fixed physical measure length corresponding to a specific fixed interval of time. Actually, several composers do this. I have tried everything to do with proportional notation and new spacing sections but I can't seem to succeed. Is there any way to instruct lilypond to use a fixed length, absolute size measure? I see that others have wanted this capability for fixed width measures for chord charts, overriding the lovely and subtle way that lilypond has of moving the bar lines on the page around a little for readability and aesthetics. I am attaching the smallest most simplified snippet I can make that shows unequal measures. If anybody can make something like this have fixed width measures, let me know! I am aware that this goes entirely against classical engraving principles, and all of lilypond's aesthetic architecture, but it is 2015 now! Does this require internal code hacking of the layout engine somewhere deep down below the user level? It's frustrating to be defeated by a man with a pencil who can simply rule lines! :-) o Insert indent = 0 - so that your first system is the same length as the other. o Change the value in proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1/20) to 1/28 - following the advice in the Notation manual: How do we select the right reference duration to pass to proportionalNotationDuration? Usually by a process of trial and error, beginning with a duration close to the fastest (or smallest) duration in the piece. Now I see three systems, each with two bars of exactly equal length. At smaller staff sizes, I can see two systems of three bars each - but they are not quite of equal length. The problem seems to be the time signature, occurring in only the first system. Can you put up with no time signature? Or with time signatures in both systems? Or (probably best) with an invisible time signature (to take up appropriate space) in subsequent systems? Brian Barker ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Fixed width measures (or another good way to do this)
I suggest programming lilypond to format ragged right ##f (justified) single bars of length 4 inches for each the cantor and congregation. Then use lilypond-book to make individual eps (or pdf) files. You can then paste those images into a larger document in the two 4 inch each columns you are looking for. Or, you can use latex (or pdflatex) to make the two column format. If you send some samples, I'd be glad to play around with it. I'm getting better at the lilypond-book stuff. Fred Leason On Feb 15, 2007, at 7:43 PM, Geoff Horton wrote: I'm working on some unmetered music that essentially needs to fall into two columns--cantor on the left, congregation on the right. It would be great if I could get all the measures to be of the same width so that the columns would line up neatly. Searching the mailing list, the only solution I found is to add a row of invisible 32nd notes (or whatever duration I like) in each measure. Since all the measures aren't the same musical length, I'd have to do some hefty duration-scaling to make it come out right, and I'd rather not if there's another way to do this. Is there? Geoff ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
