Re: How many lilypond users are there?
On 13-May 6:57, H. S. Teoh wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 12:41:12PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 08:10:03AM -0700, H. S. Teoh wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 06:15:55PM +1000, Andrew Bernard wrote: Greetings All, I am wondering how large the lilypond end user community is. Are there any estimates? Additional to this, I am wondering what the breakdown is by computer platform, for example, how many people use Fedora, and so on. [...] I use lilypond regularly, on Debian GNU/Linux (unstable). That's exactly my setup. I use Emacs. [...] I use vim. :-) T Lilypond 2.18.2 is available in the OpenBSD ports/packages repository as of OpenBSD 5.6 - Probably a small audience, but it's there. And Frescobaldi isn't too hard to get working either. Regards, Graeme ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:18:02AM -0400, Shane Brandes wrote: I agree no useful way to make a solid conclusion on numbers. I also know several people that use Lilypond but either don't need the functionality to the point they need to be here on this list or don't want to have the clutter in their inbox and simply google how to do things. [...] I agree, I did not subscribe to this list until I ran into a problem that I didn't know how to solve just by reading the manuals and/or googling for the solution. T -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
Le 12/05/2015 17:18, Shane Brandes a écrit : I agree no useful way to make a solid conclusion on numbers. I also know several people that use Lilypond but either don't need the functionality to the point they need to be here on this list or don't want to have the clutter in their inbox and simply google how to do things. There also are people who, as non English speaker, have not subscribed to this list but to others in their language, like French, German or Spanish. Cheers, Jean-Charles ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
Not that this is any indication of install userbase, but there are 117 repositories on GitHub that match language:LilyPond https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93q=language%3ALilyPond Additionally, there are 90 people subscribed to the LilyPond subreddit on reddit.com: http://reddit.com/r/lilypond Bitbucket shows zero repositories under Language:Lilypond ( https://bitbucket.org/repo/all?name=language=lilypond) To really get a true measure of userbase, the best thing would be to modify lilypond itself to send a simple web request to something akin to Google Analytics, and track those numbers. It could even be one in a thousand times or something similar. Of course, this isn't going to ever collect data for people working offline, etc. Otherwise, it's going to be pretty hard to guess total userbase size from things like mailing lists GitHub. From doing some web searches, I think there's a fairly significant use of LilyPond as Something a little nicer than ABC that we use to engrave our church/choir/band's music Unfortunately, I think MuseScore probably has a much bigger userbase for that use case though... Steve On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Jean-Charles Malahieude lily...@orange.fr wrote: Le 12/05/2015 17:18, Shane Brandes a écrit : I agree no useful way to make a solid conclusion on numbers. I also know several people that use Lilypond but either don't need the functionality to the point they need to be here on this list or don't want to have the clutter in their inbox and simply google how to do things. There also are people who, as non English speaker, have not subscribed to this list but to others in their language, like French, German or Spanish. Cheers, Jean-Charles ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 08:10:03AM -0700, H. S. Teoh wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 06:15:55PM +1000, Andrew Bernard wrote: Greetings All, I am wondering how large the lilypond end user community is. Are there any estimates? Additional to this, I am wondering what the breakdown is by computer platform, for example, how many people use Fedora, and so on. [...] I use lilypond regularly, on Debian GNU/Linux (unstable). That's exactly my setup. I use Emacs. Paul T -- Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
On Tue, 12 May 2015, Steve Lacy wrote: Otherwise, it's going to be pretty hard to guess total userbase size from things like mailing lists GitHub. Maybe we can ask the NSA - don't they know everything? :-) MT___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
Hi Andrew, Mark me down as another Fedora 21 Lilypond user. Unfortunately I don't have the skills (or time...) to aid in your development issue, but I still thought I'd share! To address something that Martin hinted at--what Linux distros automatically come with Lilypond? I was unaware that that existed. --Sam ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 12:41:12PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 08:10:03AM -0700, H. S. Teoh wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 06:15:55PM +1000, Andrew Bernard wrote: Greetings All, I am wondering how large the lilypond end user community is. Are there any estimates? Additional to this, I am wondering what the breakdown is by computer platform, for example, how many people use Fedora, and so on. [...] I use lilypond regularly, on Debian GNU/Linux (unstable). That's exactly my setup. I use Emacs. [...] I use vim. :-) T -- I'm still trying to find a pun for punishment... ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
On Tue, 12 May 2015, Sam Bivens wrote: To address something that Martin hinted at--what Linux distros automatically come with Lilypond? I was unaware that that existed. I know: Fedora Jam Ubuntu Studio -- P.S. I use LilyPond on Fedora 21 and 22 Beta___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
Ubuntu Studio is what I am using, of course by the time I am done with it it doesn't look too much like the studio version anymore. The long time stable version and even the regular releases tend to have a significant lag between current stable releases. Shane On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Sam Bivens sambiv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Andrew, Mark me down as another Fedora 21 Lilypond user. Unfortunately I don't have the skills (or time...) to aid in your development issue, but I still thought I'd share! To address something that Martin hinted at--what Linux distros automatically come with Lilypond? I was unaware that that existed. --Sam ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
On Tue, 12 May 2015, Andrew Bernard wrote: Greetings All, I am wondering how large the lilypond end user community is. Are there any estimates? How many people read this mailing list? That would be a better estimation than how many people have lilypond installed. It's very easy to install free software, especially if it automatically comes with your standard Linux distribution. The next step - learning how to use LilyPond and then really use it? It's an interesting question. -- MT ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
Yes, perhaps the question was poorly thought out, in terms of what defines a user, but it is interesting. For example, I am having difficulty with the standard binary distribution on Fedora 21, which will not compile files using fonts with large character sets such as Linux Libertine (defect report just submitted). I was led to muse that if there are only four or five people in the world using lilypond on Fedora 21, this sort of issue may never get fixed, for lack of audience numbers and developer resources. Andrew On 12 May 2015 at 19:00:30, Martin Tarenskeen (m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl) wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2015, Andrew Bernard wrote: How many people read this mailing list? That would be a better estimation than how many people have lilypond installed. It's very easy to install free software, especially if it automatically comes with your standard Linux distribution. The next step - learning how to use LilyPond and then really use it? It's an interesting question. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
For example, I am having difficulty with the standard binary distribution on Fedora 21, which will not compile files using fonts with large character sets such as Linux Libertine (defect report just submitted). I was led to muse that if there are only four or five people in the world using lilypond on Fedora 21, this sort of issue may never get fixed, for lack of audience numbers and developer resources. I'm using ArchLinux and can't talk about Fedora. However: lilypond and denemo are in the standard ArchLinux package repository Frescobaldi and lilypond-devel are in AUR which requires some additional work to install these packages. Frescobaldi currently has 68 votes to be included in standard which I interpret as there are at least 68 ArchLinux users using Frescobaldi to do lilypond. Given that denemo is in standard there probably are even more using that package. And there might be those that use emacs or some other editor and the cmdline. All of the above for ArchLinux alone :) Having said that: Do you have a small example to show your problem ? I'd be willing to test that on ArchLinux standard and lilypond-devel to see whether is works here. Best wishes, Michael -- Michael Gerdau email: m...@qata.de GPG-keys available on request or at public keyserver signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
I am just thinking out aloud that maybe fixing the Fedora issue my be my way of starting to contribute to the development, and the question arose while reflecting whether working in this area is a worthwhile effort. It's certainly worth the trouble! It seems that the problem is specific to Fedora, as another mail reports that it works just fine on Debian. So maybe comparing the two distro-specific bundles gives a simple solution. Thank you in advance for working on that :-) Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
Hey Andrew I use LFS -- have for years. I HATE binary distros especially ubuntu and it's variants. That said i know several (as a guitarist) sites with forums that discuss lilypond - and the users are never here. As well I personally know users that - again are not here. so really there is no way to know - unless there was a (phone home) like Paul added to ardour --that I disable :) Stephen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
As a clarification to my own post, there is no intention here to diminish the awesome work the of lilypond developers here at all. I am just thinking out aloud that maybe fixing the Fedora issue my be my way of starting to contribute to the development, and the question arose while reflecting whether working in this area is a worthwhile effort. Andrew On 12 May 2015 at 20:02:10, Andrew Bernard (andrew.bern...@gmail.com) wrote: For example, I am having difficulty with the standard binary distribution on Fedora 21, which will not compile files using fonts with large character sets such as Linux Libertine (defect report just submitted). I was led to muse that if there are only four or five people in the world using lilypond on Fedora 21, this sort of issue may never get fixed, for lack of audience numbers and developer resources. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 04:19:41PM -0400, Sam Bivens wrote: Hi Andrew, Mark me down as another Fedora 21 Lilypond user. Unfortunately I don't have the skills (or time...) to aid in your development issue, but I still thought I'd share! To address something that Martin hinted at--what Linux distros automatically come with Lilypond? I was unaware that that existed. [...] Lilypond is in the main Debian repository. It's not installed by default, though. T -- I speak better English than this villain Bush -- Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, Iraqi Minister of Information ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/05/15 21:28, Martin Tarenskeen wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2015, Sam Bivens wrote: To address something that Martin hinted at--what Linux distros automatically come with Lilypond? I was unaware that that existed. I know: Fedora Jam Ubuntu Studio CentOS certainly doesn't, and therefore I suspect neither does RHEL or Scientific Linux. Further, it is not in the EPEL repository so the choice is either to hope Fedora works, or else compile from source. However, if you do the latter Lilypond is not in the RPM database and any further applications which rely on Lily will complain. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVUnl0AAoJEAF3yXsqtyBlmksQAND0jBFGbmJKeBn1f66KM69h sRe825gMX66i/CE+RNw/dX/YkrqCMXZ1dCQcK5SjT/7dCNIjM14zWGSn56WOGtGj bfjYZT1D1tmNhWQQaFZ8j65NyP/waVe5IR0LiDpLmgU5VmWcyMYsD5utIT3/Lx/m r1Q57Xy3f/xh6oKEmRRnGGx+6qijVqhTnzSFxnPEX1BmvI7qFbVqH9NjC6wv/dLO 87F724UlWg01NTEMpauypcKOXzL3VXEvlqruzKXaYabg0gdSLH9/rZXsMdu0d68L feCAM8RxokwByprM0CCBzYuVtXPhUOtL91oN14MXp57916sRFQY8zclLSbKosse2 jvlV7MaOYxs1ggrddNdhrf8VRk+YWqeMb6B0q5ko6niM8iZAFDR7Gm6mGCLbEHNv sze27ZkvRyAtfBwGJjL9C6Td5GOKPwoT7frvTJzO54b8NCUiksbyJ13lDDOQhOK3 tWzSzKQNSPrsBTcy2yKeqJyGjbIijViYsPJ9PazSYxM0KhHSqAlb+eTNxRNRrwLq XyVicSnnVYCdOgxd5Wn0ID590Xhd7mwdA6a9tCW7U/XlCRQFGpg75FWzilC/VAg0 ciACMw7YPceR3PzBdEBfYe5/qNrCFvwHrO0I4PCLCJN+CmruBi5LzeMmM/ywFhzD P1BGp8kw6KOrDz8wcFcO =qkKD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
Il giorno mar 12 mag 2015 alle 12:23, Andrew Bernard andrew.bern...@gmail.com ha scritto: I am just thinking out aloud that maybe fixing the Fedora issue my be my way of starting to contribute to the development, and the question arose while reflecting whether working in this area is a worthwhile effort. I think that it's a worthwhile effort. Fedora has many users and it would be my second choice if I had time to play with different distros :-) See also this issue: https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=4272 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
It's pretty much impossible to say with any degree of accuracy. How do you define what constitutes the community? Someone who uses lily every day? Someone who downloads every update? Someone who once used the version auto-installed on their distro? We do have Google analytics on the site, and so I can say that, in the last month, 1.04K people moved from the download page to the Windows page, 568 to MacOS and 235 to Unix. In the same period we had 84K pageviews and Google claims 19K users. -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - From: Andrew Bernard To: lilypond-user Mailinglist Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:15 AM Subject: How many lilypond users are there? Greetings All, I am wondering how large the lilypond end user community is. Are there any estimates? Additional to this, I am wondering what the breakdown is by computer platform, for example, how many people use Fedora, and so on. Andrew -- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
I agree no useful way to make a solid conclusion on numbers. I also know several people that use Lilypond but either don't need the functionality to the point they need to be here on this list or don't want to have the clutter in their inbox and simply google how to do things. Shane On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org wrote: Il giorno mar 12 mag 2015 alle 12:23, Andrew Bernard andrew.bern...@gmail.com ha scritto: I am just thinking out aloud that maybe fixing the Fedora issue my be my way of starting to contribute to the development, and the question arose while reflecting whether working in this area is a worthwhile effort. I think that it's a worthwhile effort. Fedora has many users and it would be my second choice if I had time to play with different distros :-) See also this issue: https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=4272 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How many lilypond users are there?
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 06:15:55PM +1000, Andrew Bernard wrote: Greetings All, I am wondering how large the lilypond end user community is. Are there any estimates? Additional to this, I am wondering what the breakdown is by computer platform, for example, how many people use Fedora, and so on. [...] I use lilypond regularly, on Debian GNU/Linux (unstable). T -- Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
