Re: Noteheads exactly over bar lines
On 2012.03.10., at 8:51, Siska Ádám wrote:
On 2012.03.10., at 3:00, Nick Payne wrote:
On 10/03/12 10:24, Siska Ádám wrote:
On 2012.03.09., at 23:44, -Eluze wrote:
Siska Ádám-4 wrote:
Dear list,
I've been using Lilypond for a while, but only to create excerpts of
classical music. Now I'd like to try whether I could switch from
hand-engraving to Lilypond with my own music. I'm trying to engrave an
orchestral piece that requires 'time/space notation'. I found most of the
instructions in the manual for this, however, I can't figure out how to
put the first noteheads of the measures exactly over their respective bar
lines (like in some of Tristan Murail's scores, for example). Could you
please give me an advice on how to achieve this?
Any help is highly appreciated,
I can't really imagine what this should look like - can you provide an
excerpt or scan of this!?
thanks
Eluze
Dear Eluze,
thank you for your reply. Attached please find two PNGs. The
'current_state.png' shows an example of the settings I'm using right now
(with the note head coming a bit after the dashed barline) and
'what_i_need.png' would be the solution that I'm looking for (with the
barline exactly on the first note of the measure, which I solved for now
with some graphic apps, but of course, that's not a real solution).
I don't know if it's of much use for your purposes, but you can use a
notehead glyph as a rehearsal mark, which positions it directly on the
barline:
\relative c' {
d4 d d d
\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'extra-offset = #'(0 . -5.9)
\mark\markup\normalsize { \musicglyph #noteheads.s2 } d
}
Dear Nick,
thanks for this! Although in terms of musical-logic it is not a solution, but
it looks exactly like what I need.
Thanks,
Ádám
Dear Nick,
I just realized that the solution is not as good as it seemed to be. It seems
that if I use a markup, the distance between subsequent crotchets won't be the
same, as the first crotchet of the measure (the one that is represented by the
markup) will be placed a little more left than it should be. So I need a
solution where the actual bar lines would move 'a bit to the right' in order to
be in sync with the first notehead in the measure.
Thanks,
Ádám
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Re: Noteheads exactly over bar lines
Hi Ádám,
I just realized that the solution is not as good as it seemed to be. It
seems that if I use a markup, the distance between subsequent crotchets
won't be the same, as the first crotchet of the measure (the one that is
represented by the markup) will be placed a little more left than it should
be. So I need a solution where the actual bar lines would move 'a bit to
the right' in order to be in sync with the first notehead in the measure.
What about using proportional spacing and then moving the bar line slightly
to the right? Something like this:
\version 2.15.30
{
\time 2/4
\override Stem #'stencil = #point-stencil
d' d'
\once \override Staff.BarLine #'extra-offset = #'(1.5 . 0)
d' d'
}
\layout {
\context {
\Score
\override SpacingSpanner #'strict-note-spacing = ##t
proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 8)
}
\context {
\Staff
\remove Time_signature_engraver
}
}
HTH,
David
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Re: Noteheads exactly over bar lines
Hi Ádám, What about using proportional spacing and then moving the bar line slightly to the right? Attached is an attempt at automating this somewhat. I haven't tested it extensively, but I hope it will be useful. -David barline-through-note01.ly Description: Binary data ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Noteheads exactly over bar lines
Hi again, On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:45 AM, David Nalesnik david.nales...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Ádám, What about using proportional spacing and then moving the bar line slightly to the right? Attached is an attempt at automating this somewhat. I haven't tested it extensively, but I hope it will be useful. Looking at your example some more, it occurs to me that you want to move the SpanBar right. The attached example provides two functions. One centers the bar lines, the other the span bars. The adjustment of BarLine isn't really necessary with the example since the bar lines are transparent. Otherwise, both overrides would be necessary for both to align vertically. I've automated this further so you don't have to call the functions repeatedly. HTH, David barline-through-note02.ly Description: Binary data ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Noteheads exactly over bar lines
On 2012.03.10., at 18:14, David Nalesnik wrote: Hi again, On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:45 AM, David Nalesnik david.nales...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Ádám, What about using proportional spacing and then moving the bar line slightly to the right? Attached is an attempt at automating this somewhat. I haven't tested it extensively, but I hope it will be useful. Looking at your example some more, it occurs to me that you want to move the SpanBar right. The attached example provides two functions. One centers the bar lines, the other the span bars. The adjustment of BarLine isn't really necessary with the example since the bar lines are transparent. Otherwise, both overrides would be necessary for both to align vertically. I've automated this further so you don't have to call the functions repeatedly. HTH, David barline-through-note02.ly Dear David, thank you a lot for this solution. It is much better than anything I expected to achieve. Thanks again, Ádám ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Noteheads exactly over bar lines
Hi Ádám, thank you a lot for this solution. It is much better than anything I expected to achieve. Glad to hear it! -David ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Noteheads exactly over bar lines
Siska Ádám-4 wrote: Dear list, I've been using Lilypond for a while, but only to create excerpts of classical music. Now I'd like to try whether I could switch from hand-engraving to Lilypond with my own music. I'm trying to engrave an orchestral piece that requires 'time/space notation'. I found most of the instructions in the manual for this, however, I can't figure out how to put the first noteheads of the measures exactly over their respective bar lines (like in some of Tristan Murail's scores, for example). Could you please give me an advice on how to achieve this? Any help is highly appreciated, I can't really imagine what this should look like - can you provide an excerpt or scan of this!? thanks Eluze -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Noteheads-exactly-over-bar-lines-tp33474897p33475042.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Noteheads exactly over bar lines
On 2012.03.09., at 23:44, -Eluze wrote: Siska Ádám-4 wrote: Dear list, I've been using Lilypond for a while, but only to create excerpts of classical music. Now I'd like to try whether I could switch from hand-engraving to Lilypond with my own music. I'm trying to engrave an orchestral piece that requires 'time/space notation'. I found most of the instructions in the manual for this, however, I can't figure out how to put the first noteheads of the measures exactly over their respective bar lines (like in some of Tristan Murail's scores, for example). Could you please give me an advice on how to achieve this? Any help is highly appreciated, I can't really imagine what this should look like - can you provide an excerpt or scan of this!? thanks Eluze Dear Eluze, thank you for your reply. Attached please find two PNGs. The 'current_state.png' shows an example of the settings I'm using right now (with the note head coming a bit after the dashed barline) and 'what_i_need.png' would be the solution that I'm looking for (with the barline exactly on the first note of the measure, which I solved for now with some graphic apps, but of course, that's not a real solution). Thanks in advance, Ádám inline: current_state.png inline: what_i_need.png ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Noteheads exactly over bar lines
On 10/03/12 10:24, Siska Ádám wrote:
On 2012.03.09., at 23:44, -Eluze wrote:
Siska Ádám-4 wrote:
Dear list,
I've been using Lilypond for a while, but only to create excerpts of
classical music. Now I'd like to try whether I could switch from
hand-engraving to Lilypond with my own music. I'm trying to engrave an
orchestral piece that requires 'time/space notation'. I found most of the
instructions in the manual for this, however, I can't figure out how to
put the first noteheads of the measures exactly over their respective bar
lines (like in some of Tristan Murail's scores, for example). Could you
please give me an advice on how to achieve this?
Any help is highly appreciated,
I can't really imagine what this should look like - can you provide an
excerpt or scan of this!?
thanks
Eluze
Dear Eluze,
thank you for your reply. Attached please find two PNGs. The
'current_state.png' shows an example of the settings I'm using right now (with
the note head coming a bit after the dashed barline) and 'what_i_need.png'
would be the solution that I'm looking for (with the barline exactly on the
first note of the measure, which I solved for now with some graphic apps, but
of course, that's not a real solution).
I don't know if it's of much use for your purposes, but you can use a
notehead glyph as a rehearsal mark, which positions it directly on the
barline:
\relative c' {
d4 d d d
\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'extra-offset = #'(0 . -5.9)
\mark\markup\normalsize { \musicglyph #noteheads.s2 } d
}
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Re: Noteheads exactly over bar lines
On 2012.03.10., at 3:00, Nick Payne wrote:
On 10/03/12 10:24, Siska Ádám wrote:
On 2012.03.09., at 23:44, -Eluze wrote:
Siska Ádám-4 wrote:
Dear list,
I've been using Lilypond for a while, but only to create excerpts of
classical music. Now I'd like to try whether I could switch from
hand-engraving to Lilypond with my own music. I'm trying to engrave an
orchestral piece that requires 'time/space notation'. I found most of the
instructions in the manual for this, however, I can't figure out how to
put the first noteheads of the measures exactly over their respective bar
lines (like in some of Tristan Murail's scores, for example). Could you
please give me an advice on how to achieve this?
Any help is highly appreciated,
I can't really imagine what this should look like - can you provide an
excerpt or scan of this!?
thanks
Eluze
Dear Eluze,
thank you for your reply. Attached please find two PNGs. The
'current_state.png' shows an example of the settings I'm using right now
(with the note head coming a bit after the dashed barline) and
'what_i_need.png' would be the solution that I'm looking for (with the
barline exactly on the first note of the measure, which I solved for now
with some graphic apps, but of course, that's not a real solution).
I don't know if it's of much use for your purposes, but you can use a
notehead glyph as a rehearsal mark, which positions it directly on the
barline:
\relative c' {
d4 d d d
\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'extra-offset = #'(0 . -5.9)
\mark\markup\normalsize { \musicglyph #noteheads.s2 } d
}
Dear Nick,
thanks for this! Although in terms of musical-logic it is not a solution, but
it looks exactly like what I need.
Thanks,
Ádám
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