Re: Switching on/off instrument staff
Hi Chris,
The tag method is a fantastic tool in many cases, so it's great to be aware of
it. Just in this particular case it's maybe not the easiest way to go.
Yeah, that's how I mostly use variables as well - placing just the music in
variables and then, in the score block, build up a
\new StaffGroup
\new Staff \new Voice \someMusic
\new Staff
\new Voice { \voiceOne \moreMusic }
\new Voice { \voiceTwo \yetMoreMusic }
I find this a very clear structure ... and it allows me to have a complete
template where you just comment out all \Staffs you don't need in a particular
case.
Cheers, Rob
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On 8 Jul 2015, at 13:11, Chris Yate chrisy...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Rob,
Wow, thanks, that's a much neater way. I think I should probably look at
refactoring my band template.
I agree, my method is a bit complicated -- but it's bothering me a bit,
because I think there was a reason I did it like this in the first place!
Could well be an insufficient understanding at the time, of how variables
work :-)
I do already use variables as:
violinMusic = { a b c d }
violinVoice = \new Voice {
% voice setup stuff %
\violinMusic
}
Chris
On 8 July 2015 at 09:58, Robert Schmaus robert.schm...@web.de wrote:
In addition to the suggested way with tags (which surely works, but
which I find overly complicated), a simpler way would be to simply place
the Staffs in variables and comment out the ones you don't want to have
in the next engraving. Like this:
violinStaff = \new Staff \with { instrumentName = Violin }{
\relative c'' { c4 d e f }
}
celloStaff = \new Staff \with { instrumentName = Cello }{
\relative c { c4 d e f }
}
\score{
\violinStaff
\celloStaff
}
IMO there's no need for a complicated tag structure, just go for a
simple approach. You will want to use a variable structure for any
non-trivial score anyway ...
Best, Rob
Am 07/07/15 um 17:42 schrieb Víctor:
Hello Lilyponders:
Is there a way to place a switch in some instrument part so it is not
rendered when such switch is off? Something like:
\score{
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = Violin }{
\relative c'' { c4 d e f }
}
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = Cello }{
\relative c { c4 d e f }
}
}
\layout{
\disableCello
}
Thanks,
Víctor.
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Re: Switching on/off instrument staff
Hi Rob,
Wow, thanks, that's a much neater way. I think I should probably look at
refactoring my band template.
I agree, my method is a bit complicated -- but it's bothering me a bit,
because I think there was a reason I did it like this in the first place!
Could well be an insufficient understanding at the time, of how variables
work :-)
I do already use variables as:
violinMusic = { a b c d }
violinVoice = \new Voice {
% voice setup stuff %
\violinMusic
}
Chris
On 8 July 2015 at 09:58, Robert Schmaus robert.schm...@web.de wrote:
In addition to the suggested way with tags (which surely works, but
which I find overly complicated), a simpler way would be to simply place
the Staffs in variables and comment out the ones you don't want to have
in the next engraving. Like this:
violinStaff = \new Staff \with { instrumentName = Violin }{
\relative c'' { c4 d e f }
}
celloStaff = \new Staff \with { instrumentName = Cello }{
\relative c { c4 d e f }
}
\score{
\violinStaff
\celloStaff
}
IMO there's no need for a complicated tag structure, just go for a
simple approach. You will want to use a variable structure for any
non-trivial score anyway ...
Best, Rob
Am 07/07/15 um 17:42 schrieb Víctor:
Hello Lilyponders:
Is there a way to place a switch in some instrument part so it is not
rendered when such switch is off? Something like:
\score{
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = Violin }{
\relative c'' { c4 d e f }
}
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = Cello }{
\relative c { c4 d e f }
}
}
\layout{
\disableCello
}
Thanks,
Víctor.
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Re: Switching on/off instrument staff
In addition to the suggested way with tags (which surely works, but
which I find overly complicated), a simpler way would be to simply place
the Staffs in variables and comment out the ones you don't want to have
in the next engraving. Like this:
violinStaff = \new Staff \with { instrumentName = Violin }{
\relative c'' { c4 d e f }
}
celloStaff = \new Staff \with { instrumentName = Cello }{
\relative c { c4 d e f }
}
\score{
\violinStaff
\celloStaff
}
IMO there's no need for a complicated tag structure, just go for a
simple approach. You will want to use a variable structure for any
non-trivial score anyway ...
Best, Rob
Am 07/07/15 um 17:42 schrieb Víctor:
Hello Lilyponders:
Is there a way to place a switch in some instrument part so it is not
rendered when such switch is off? Something like:
\score{
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = Violin }{
\relative c'' { c4 d e f }
}
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = Cello }{
\relative c { c4 d e f }
}
}
\layout{
\disableCello
}
Thanks,
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Re: Switching on/off instrument staff
Wow, so many answers. I think Rob's solution will be the most close to
what I need, however I fear Abraham already answered my question.
I'll explain my problem further: I'm working in a three volume anthology
for a singers school, each volume will come in two versions, one for the
professor and the other for the student. The professor's version must
have all voice piano parts, while the student's should only have the
voice part. Now, because this is a very large project that includes
gregorian scores, a lot of text and some didactics, I've decide to
assemble the book in LuaLaTeX using lyluatex
https://github.com/jperon/lyluatex package (a recent replacement for
lilypond-book). So all lilypond files (about 80 right now, but they will
be something like 200 in the end) are configured from a single style
sheet named /formato.ly/, wich contains all snippets, formats, etc. So
what I am looking for, is a snippet that can disable all piano parts
across the project from a single line in such /formato.ly/. To replace
the \score block in all of the files could be both painful and
dangerous, but I prefer to do it right now than later, when there will
be much more of them; and since all files are generated from a template,
I can just replace it with any text editor.
Anyway, if somebody has an idea of how to make this, I'll really apreciate.
Thanks to all for your answers, best regards.
Víctor
El 08/07/15 a las 07:00, Robert Schmaus escribió:
Hi Chris,
The tag method is a fantastic tool in many cases, so it's great to be
aware of it. Just in this particular case it's maybe not the easiest
way to go.
Yeah, that's how I mostly use variables as well - placing just the
music in variables and then, in the score block, build up a
\new StaffGroup
\new Staff \new Voice \someMusic
\new Staff
\new Voice { \voiceOne \moreMusic }
\new Voice { \voiceTwo \yetMoreMusic }
I find this a very clear structure ... and it allows me to have a
complete template where you just comment out all \Staffs you don't
need in a particular case.
Cheers, Rob
__
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-- /Flannery O'Connor/
On 8 Jul 2015, at 13:11, Chris Yate chrisy...@gmail.com
mailto:chrisy...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Rob,
Wow, thanks, that's a much neater way. I think I should probably look
at refactoring my band template.
I agree, my method is a bit complicated -- but it's bothering me a
bit, because I think there was a reason I did it like this in the
first place! Could well be an insufficient understanding at the time,
of how variables work :-)
I do already use variables as:
violinMusic = { a b c d }
violinVoice = \new Voice {
% voice setup stuff %
\violinMusic
}
Chris
On 8 July 2015 at 09:58, Robert Schmaus robert.schm...@web.de
mailto:robert.schm...@web.de wrote:
In addition to the suggested way with tags (which surely works, but
which I find overly complicated), a simpler way would be to
simply place
the Staffs in variables and comment out the ones you don't want
to have
in the next engraving. Like this:
violinStaff = \new Staff \with { instrumentName = Violin }{
\relative c'' { c4 d e f }
}
celloStaff = \new Staff \with { instrumentName = Cello }{
\relative c { c4 d e f }
}
\score{
\violinStaff
\celloStaff
}
IMO there's no need for a complicated tag structure, just go for a
simple approach. You will want to use a variable structure for any
non-trivial score anyway ...
Best, Rob
Am 07/07/15 um 17:42 schrieb Víctor:
Hello Lilyponders:
Is there a way to place a switch in some instrument part so it
is not
rendered when such switch is off? Something like:
\score{
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = Violin }{
\relative c'' { c4 d e f }
}
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = Cello }{
\relative c { c4 d e f }
}
}
\layout{
\disableCello
}
Thanks,
Víctor.
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Re: Switching on/off instrument staff
Victor,
You have gotten some great advice. Sorry they don't work for you. As I've
been thinking about your dilemma I wondered if you could just do something
like
\layout {
\context {
\Score
\denies PianoStaff
}
}
on the top-level to remove the PianoStaff altogether (assuming this is how
you built the piano part), but that doesn't do it either. This would be the
kind of solution you would be looking for. Sorry it doesn't work like I
postulated. I think I have a solution, but seeing a tiny example of a
couple of files the exemplify your work-flow may help us out. Just put them
in the body of an email like this:
%%% file1.ly
voicePart = { c1 }
pianoRH = { c1 }
pianoLH = { c1 }
\include formato.ly
%%% file2.ly
voicePart = { b1 }
pianoRH = { b1 }
pianoLH = { b1 }
\include formato.ly
%%% formato.ly
\paper {
indent = 0
}
\layout {
\override SomeThing.property = 1.5
\override SomeThingElse.property = 0
}
\score {
\new Staff \voicePart
\new PianoStaff
\new Staff \pianoRH
\new Staff \pianoLH
\layout {}
}
%%% masterfile.ly
\include file1.ly
\include file2.ly
%%%
I just made that up, of course. Thank you in advance for clarifying things
so that we may help you better.
- Abraham
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Víctor [via Lilypond]
ml-node+s1069038n178514...@n5.nabble.com wrote:
Wow, so many answers. I think Rob's solution will be the most close to
what I need, however I fear Abraham already answered my question.
I'll explain my problem further: I'm working in a three volume anthology
for a singers school, each volume will come in two versions, one for the
professor and the other for the student. The professor's version must have
all voice piano parts, while the student's should only have the voice part.
Now, because this is a very large project that includes gregorian scores, a
lot of text and some didactics, I've decide to assemble the book in
LuaLaTeX using lyluatex https://github.com/jperon/lyluatex package (a
recent replacement for lilypond-book). So all lilypond files (about 80
right now, but they will be something like 200 in the end) are configured
from a single style sheet named *formato.ly http://formato.ly*, wich
contains all snippets, formats, etc. So what I am looking for, is a snippet
that can disable all piano parts across the project from a single line in
such *formato.ly http://formato.ly*. To replace the \score block in all
of the files could be both painful and dangerous, but I prefer to do it
right now than later, when there will be much more of them; and since all
files are generated from a template, I can just replace it with any text
editor.
Anyway, if somebody has an idea of how to make this, I'll really apreciate.
Thanks to all for your answers, best regards.
Víctor
El 08/07/15 a las 07:00, Robert Schmaus escribió:
Hi Chris,
The tag method is a fantastic tool in many cases, so it's great to be
aware of it. Just in this particular case it's maybe not the easiest way to
go.
Yeah, that's how I mostly use variables as well - placing just the music
in variables and then, in the score block, build up a
\new StaffGroup
\new Staff \new Voice \someMusic
\new Staff
\new Voice { \voiceOne \moreMusic }
\new Voice { \voiceTwo \yetMoreMusic }
I find this a very clear structure ... and it allows me to have a
complete template where you just comment out all \Staffs you don't need
in a particular case.
Cheers, Rob
__
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-- *Flannery O'Connor*
On 8 Jul 2015, at 13:11, Chris Yate [hidden email]
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Hi Rob,
Wow, thanks, that's a much neater way. I think I should probably look at
refactoring my band template.
I agree, my method is a bit complicated -- but it's bothering me a bit,
because I think there was a reason I did it like this in the first place!
Could well be an insufficient understanding at the time, of how variables
work :-)
I do already use variables as:
violinMusic = { a b c d }
violinVoice = \new Voice {
% voice setup stuff %
\violinMusic
}
Chris
On 8 July 2015 at 09:58, Robert Schmaus [hidden email]
http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=178514i=1 wrote:
In addition to the suggested way with tags (which surely works, but
which I find overly complicated), a simpler way would be to simply place
the Staffs in variables and comment out the ones you don't want to have
in the next engraving. Like this:
violinStaff = \new Staff \with { instrumentName = Violin }{
\relative c'' { c4 d e f }
}
celloStaff = \new Staff \with { instrumentName = Cello }{
\relative c { c4 d e f }
}
\score{
\violinStaff
\celloStaff
}
IMO there's no need for a complicated tag structure, just go for a
simple approach. You will want to use a variable
Re: Switching on/off instrument staff
\new Staff
\new Voice { \voiceOne \moreMusic }
\new Voice { \voiceTwo \yetMoreMusic }
I find this a very clear structure ... and it allows me to have a
complete template where you just comment out all \Staffs you
don't need in a particular case.
Cheers, Rob
__
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On 8 Jul 2015, at 13:11, Chris Yate [hidden email]
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Hi Rob,
Wow, thanks, that's a much neater way. I think I should probably
look at refactoring my band template.
I agree, my method is a bit complicated -- but it's bothering me
a bit, because I think there was a reason I did it like this in
the first place! Could well be an insufficient understanding at
the time, of how variables work :-)
I do already use variables as:
violinMusic = { a b c d }
violinVoice = \new Voice {
% voice setup stuff %
\violinMusic
}
Chris
On 8 July 2015 at 09:58, Robert Schmaus [hidden email]
http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=178514i=1 wrote:
In addition to the suggested way with tags (which surely
works, but
which I find overly complicated), a simpler way would be to
simply place
the Staffs in variables and comment out the ones you don't
want to have
in the next engraving. Like this:
violinStaff = \new Staff \with { instrumentName = Violin }{
\relative c'' { c4 d e f }
}
celloStaff = \new Staff \with { instrumentName = Cello }{
\relative c { c4 d e f }
}
\score{
\violinStaff
\celloStaff
}
IMO there's no need for a complicated tag structure, just go
for a
simple approach. You will want to use a variable structure
for any
non-trivial score anyway ...
Best, Rob
Am 07/07/15 um 17:42 schrieb Víctor:
Hello Lilyponders:
Is there a way to place a switch in some instrument part
so it is not
rendered when such switch is off? Something like:
\score{
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = Violin }{
\relative c'' { c4 d e f }
}
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = Cello }{
\relative c { c4 d e f }
}
}
\layout{
\disableCello
}
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On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Víctor [via Lilypond]
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Abraham:
You just gave me a wonderful solution, I'll explain myself:
My current file layout is like this:
*formato.ly http://formato.ly*
\version 2.19.15
\include snippets.ly% file with lots of snippets (really)
\include tipografia.ly % typographies
\layout {
% some overrides here
}
% some format snippets here:
formatoPerc = { \stemDown }
*voice_with_piano_example.ly http://voice_with_piano_example.ly*
\include formato.ly
control { } % this normaly stays empty, but can be used to add code to the
voice without polluting it
voz = { a4 b c }
verso = \lyricmode { la la la }
pianoDer = { a4 b c }
pianoIzq = {a4 b c }
dinamicas = { s4\pp s4 s4\f } % some dynamics here
\score {
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = \vozSolo } % this variable is
defined in *formato.ly http://formato.ly*
\new Voice \voz
\addlyrics \verso
\new Voice \control
\new PianoStaff \with { instrumentName = \pianoIns }
\new Staff = MD
\new Voice \pianoDer
\new Dynamics \dinamicas
\new Staff = MI {
\clef bass
\pianoIzq
}
}
But now I've realized that \score should be declared in a separate file,
something like* voz_y_piano.ly http://voz_y_piano.ly*, and there I can
easely comment out the piano staff for all my files at once, avoiding both
pain and human mistakes.
Thanks again to all of you for your support. Best regards,
Víctor.
Glad I could offer some help! Yes, if the \score block is the same for each
song, then putting it in its own file and \include-ing it after the
variable definitions is a handy way to solve this problem, for reasons
you've already discovered.
Also, I don't know if it makes a difference to you (it appears the output
doesn't change), but I'd move your Dynamic section more explicitly
in-between the two piano staves. I think it just makes the code a little
cleaner. Like this:
\new PianoStaff
\new Staff ...
\new Dynamics ...
\new Staff ...
Oh, and you don't need to explicitly create a \new Voice anymore in the
upper piano Staff if you do that. Just a small suggestion.
- Abraham
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Also, I don't know if it makes a difference to you (it appears the output doesn't change), but I'd move your Dynamic section more explicitly in-between the two piano staves. I think it just makes the code a little cleaner. Like this: \new PianoStaff \new Staff ... \new Dynamics ... \new Staff ... Oh, and you don't need to explicitly create a \new Voice anymore in the upper piano Staff if you do that. Just a small suggestion. - Abraham Thanks for the suggestion, it is indeed a cleaner way. Now that I'll redefine the \score, I'll do it this way. Thanks again. Víctor ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Switching on/off instrument staff
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Still no. However, you could just use block comments %{ ...
%} around the staff you want to temporarily disable.
HTH,
Abraham
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Hello Lilyponders:
Is there a way to place a switch in some instrument part so it is not
rendered when such switch is off? Something like:
\score{
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = Violin }{
\relative c'' { c4 d e f }
}
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = Cello }{
\relative c { c4 d e f }
}
}
\layout{
\disableCello
}
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Here's a better example!
\version 2.18.2
#(set-default-paper-size a4landscape)
#(set-global-staff-size 14)
music =
{
\new StaffGroup
\tag #'score \tag #'sop \new Staff \with { instrumentName = #Soprano
Cornet
shortInstrumentName = #Eb Cn } a b c
\tag #'score \tag #'solc \new Staff \with { instrumentName = #Solo
cornet
shortInstrumentName = #S Cn }a b c
\tag #'score \tag #'repc \new Staff \with { instrumentName =
#Repiano cornet
shortInstrumentName = #R Cn }a b c
\tag #'score \tag #'c2 \new Staff \with { instrumentName = #2nd
Cornet
shortInstrumentName = #Cn 2 }a b c
%staffgroup
}
\score {
\keepWithTag #'c2 \music
\layout {}
\midi { }
}
\score {
\keepWithTag #'score \music
\layout {}
\midi { }
}
\score {
\keepWithTag #'score \removeWithTag #'repc \music
\layout {}
\midi { }
}
On 8 July 2015 at 00:27, Chris Yate chrisy...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes. This is how I do parts and score.
Use tags
music =
{
\new StaffGroup
\tag #'score \tag #'sop \new Staff \with { instrumentName = #Soprano
Cornet
shortInstrumentName = #Eb Cn } \global \Marks
\SopranoCornetVoice
\tag #'score \tag #'solc \new Staff \with { instrumentName =
#Solo cornet
shortInstrumentName = #S Cn } \global
\Marks \SoloCornetVoice
\tag #'score \tag #'repc \new Staff \with { instrumentName =
#Repiano cornet
shortInstrumentName = #R Cn } \global
\Marks \RepianoCornetVoice
\tag #'score \tag #'c2 \new Staff \with { instrumentName = #2nd
Cornet
shortInstrumentName = #Cn 2 } \global
\Marks \SecondCornetVoice
%staffgroup
}
Parts:
(This is 2nd Cornet)
\score {
\keepWithTag #'c2 \music
\midi { }
}
Score:
#(set-default-paper-size a4landscape)
#(set-global-staff-size 14)
\score {
\keepWithTag #'score \music
\midi { }
}
On 8 July 2015 at 00:15, tisimst tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Still no. However, you could just use block comments %{ ...
%} around the staff you want to temporarily disable.
HTH,
Abraham
On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, Víctor [via Lilypond] [hidden email]
http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=178491i=0 wrote:
Hello Lilyponders:
Is there a way to place a switch in some instrument part so it is not
rendered when such switch is off? Something like:
\score{
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = Violin }{
\relative c'' { c4 d e f }
}
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = Cello }{
\relative c { c4 d e f }
}
}
\layout{
\disableCello
}
Thanks,
Víctor.
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Re: Switching on/off instrument staff
Yes. This is how I do parts and score.
Use tags
music =
{
\new StaffGroup
\tag #'score \tag #'sop \new Staff \with { instrumentName = #Soprano
Cornet
shortInstrumentName = #Eb Cn } \global \Marks
\SopranoCornetVoice
\tag #'score \tag #'solc \new Staff \with { instrumentName = #Solo
cornet
shortInstrumentName = #S Cn } \global
\Marks \SoloCornetVoice
\tag #'score \tag #'repc \new Staff \with { instrumentName =
#Repiano cornet
shortInstrumentName = #R Cn } \global
\Marks \RepianoCornetVoice
\tag #'score \tag #'c2 \new Staff \with { instrumentName = #2nd
Cornet
shortInstrumentName = #Cn 2 } \global
\Marks \SecondCornetVoice
%staffgroup
}
Parts:
(This is 2nd Cornet)
\score {
\keepWithTag #'c2 \music
\midi { }
}
Score:
#(set-default-paper-size a4landscape)
#(set-global-staff-size 14)
\score {
\keepWithTag #'score \music
\midi { }
}
On 8 July 2015 at 00:15, tisimst tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Still no. However, you could just use block comments %{ ...
%} around the staff you want to temporarily disable.
HTH,
Abraham
On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, Víctor [via Lilypond] [hidden email]
http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=178491i=0 wrote:
Hello Lilyponders:
Is there a way to place a switch in some instrument part so it is not
rendered when such switch is off? Something like:
\score{
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = Violin }{
\relative c'' { c4 d e f }
}
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = Cello }{
\relative c { c4 d e f }
}
}
\layout{
\disableCello
}
Thanks,
Víctor.
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